Lathe Question

ekb6760

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Hi, I use a Taig mini lathe to do tip & ferrule replacement. I am experiencing a problem when replacing ferrules that I want to resolve. There is always one side of the ferrule that is flush with the shaft wood when I cut it to fit, but the opposite side is typically not so flush. It's probably not flush by about 2/1000 ". I have a new set of soft jaws that have been trued, and I use Delrin collets on the shaft. I use a Hightower concave live center, mounted in a Jacobs drill chuck, mounted to a Taig drilling tailstock on the tip. Could this be caused by an out of center tailstock ? If so how do I align it to center. If the tailstock is not the problem, what else would cause this?

Thank you for your input.
 
I don't use a tailstock when replacing a ferrule or tip. Sounds like your chuck or collet doesn't run true when you face off your ferrule or turn down the tenon.

Are the ferrules predrilled?

Screwed and glued or slip fit?

I make sure my ferrules don't slide on too tight.
 
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Sounds like you have typical .001" run out. That gives .002" lip on ferrule. After cutting until it touches on side rotate the shaft inside the chuck one third a turn and do another cutting pass. Then turn it another third of a turn and repeat. That should get you close enough for file and sand.
Or you could use cigarette papers as shims and put a dial indicator on it until you get zero run out and then trim the ferrule down.
Many shafts are not prefectly round so if you are getting within .002" you are within hand touch up range.
 
I use slip on that I drill myself from rod stock. I might be sliding them on a little too tight. I'll give your input some 'spermittin and see what happens. Thanks a bunch.
 
Thanks Chris, I'll give that a try and let you know how it turns out. JLU!
 
I use slip on that I drill myself from rod stock. I might be sliding them on a little too tight. I'll give your input some 'spermittin and see what happens. Thanks a bunch.

Excuse me? Look man, what u do with your mittens should be kept private.

Joe
 
I true every shaft with a dial indicatorthen you'll know if it's the shaft or the chuck. You'll have to SHIM the shaft one way or the other, to get it perfect...JER
 
When facing off it is not unusual to leave a small mound so you don't go into tennon and need to widen the hole end of ferrule you are sliding on slightly.

I also face off each ferrule before installing and also thread everything. You can get exact size shims from Grangers.
 
I true every shaft with a dial indicatorthen you'll know if it's the shaft or the chuck. You'll have to SHIM the shaft one way or the other, to get it perfect...JER



That's true and the best way to do It, dial It in beforehand, and keep It locked down through all of the steps until the tip is on. I have to be honest though in saying that I indicate on just about everything else in a cue, but have been fortunate enough to be able to eyeball ferrules pretty well. I just keep the back chuck locked down, loosen the front chucks and spin the collet to a different position on the shaft, then lock back down and check for runout. I do that until I get the shaft running true, then the rest of the job is a breeze. If the collet was bored out on the same spindle then marking these points to make them easier to return to would save even more time. Most of the time I don't even need to do any file work, although with a very small % it may still require a small amount.

For the poster: You want that shoulder right behind the ferrule running perfectly true if you want to reduce the fore-mentioned issue. Like Chris already said It does not take but the smallest amount of runout to create a lip, and since in many situations the ferrule material sands away slower then the wood does, sanding them flush is not always an option, that's why sometimes the file work has to be done if you can't get them running dead nuts.

One issue with ferrule work is a lot of It is dependent on how the tenon was turned before. There are occasions where You can dial the shoulder in, but that doesn't mean that the tenon will run true to it, unless you turn It down to match, but then You loose diameter. In some situations as with taper downs or just a shaft that has lost diameter over time, It may not necessarily be a bad thing if the ferrule walls are getting too thin anyhow due to a large tenon, but we would prefer not make those changes with all shafts, as to keep them as original as possible. Sometimes It makes the most sense when you consider all of the options though. The other option would be to replace the tenon If you need to keep the diameter, and/or there is too much of a difference in runout between the shoulder and tenon. I have seen some where the shoulder can run dead nuts, but the tenon flops around so badly that even reducing the the size is not an option because you would have to remove too much material making the tenon too small to be within reason.
 
Thanks for all the good information!

All the information posted has been very helpful. My most recent ferrule replacement came out perfect and the customer was very pleased with the work. The information provided made a big difference. Thanks a bunch to all!
 
What adjustment did you make? Just dialed in more accurately? Shimmed the shaft?
 
I followed Chris' advice on rotating the shaft in the chuck 1/3 turn a couple of times. That alone made a tremendous difference, and I was able to complete the job with 600 paper, followed by polishing. The seam was completely unfelt, and passed my fingertip / fingernail test with flying colors. I'll be doing another ferrule later this week, and I'll be checking it with the dial indicator and shimming as needed (yes, I'll be using Zig-Zag papers). I'll let you know the results when I'm finished. Thanks for the interest.
 
Thanks for the response. I'm a newbie and I've had same issue as you before. I already realized what was causing it but didn't know/think about Chris' workaround to turn the shafts 1/3 way to even it out. and you validated it that it works.

It's very cool for knowledgeable people to share experience and is very much appreciated.

Now I have a reason to go get some zig-zags (although I recently moved to Singapore and am sure zig-zags are not available here - no caning for Hidy Ho).
 
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Now I have a reason to go get some zig-zags (although I recently moved to Singapore and am sure zig-zags are not available here - no caning for Hidy Ho).

LOL...that kid that got caned got what he deserved. That is hilarious...can't stop laughing

EKB...sounds like a great fix for the ferrule issue. From your first post, I thought that there was a gap between the ferrule and the shoulder... I guess I need to re-read.
Jeremy
 
LOL...that kid that got caned got what he deserved. That is hilarious...can't stop laughing

EKB...sounds like a great fix for the ferrule issue. From your first post, I thought that there was a gap between the ferrule and the shoulder... I guess I need to re-read.
Jeremy


:confused:

I thought the same thing...about the gap between the ferrule and the shoulder. I read it the same way you did. :smile:
 
Just Finished Another Ferrule

Just finished another ferrule. This time I followed the advice on using the dial indicator and shimming as needed. Before shimming I had .007" variance, so I shimmed the low side and checked again. This time it was
.0015" variance. Quite a difference. I then cut with my round nose bit for the final passes. It came out perfect. I mean dead on. All I did was polish it. No file work required on this job. I really appreciate all the advice given on this matter. Thanks to everyone.
 
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