I am thinking about starting a new league in my area, but there are so many new leagues to choose from. So I am curious what everyone on here thinks and what leagues they are playing in aside from BCA and APA. I know there is TAP, UPL, USAPL, Pool300 and plenty more. This is something I am very seriously thinking about doing for financial purposes and of course I love the game, but I have Multiple Sclerosis so working a regular job is not really possible. Anyway all thoughts, advice, questions, comments are much appreciated.
Whats the best new league to start..
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UPL seems to pull in the most shooters in our rural area. The nice thing about this league is that we run all year long. 4 seasons each year and playoffs/championship after each season.
Best new league to start (locally?)
ANYTHING but APA !!! In-house cash leagues (with or without trophies) are fun. You know everybody at the bar/tavern and if not too much $$$ at risk, the handicapping is not something that "sandbagging" will prompt ! If you are in it for the profit motive, that's an entirely different story!
ANYTHING but APA !!! In-house cash leagues (with or without trophies) are fun. You know everybody at the bar/tavern and if not too much $$$ at risk, the handicapping is not something that "sandbagging" will prompt ! If you are in it for the profit motive, that's an entirely different story!
You won't get rich running it but 211 is a fast growing league.
http://www.behindtherocktour.com/index.php
http://www.behindtherocktour.com/index.php
Start your own league, with you own rules, and threat the member like you would like to be treated. Call it the Kickshotkid League! Take the best ideas of what the other Leagues offer, and improve on them.
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The Kickshotkid league, oh I like the sound of that!! If money wasn't a factor thats exactly what I would do. I played in a inhouse league a few years ago that was like that Dan Louie was in it too actually it was one of the best leagues I've played in if not the best, but they changed it to BCA.
I've never played, but it looks interesting. Are you from WA on their website I noticed that alot of the top scorers' and the contact info is from WA.
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Kickshotkid,
There are a lot of reasons to play in different leagues.
Having regional or national events affiliated is one.
Just a single, isolated league is a little limited.
I would become familiar with the western BCA, because most leagues are affiliated. This allows regional and national participation
Call our office if you want more info.
I feel the BCAPL is the most flexible and we have a lot of affiliated leagues, like Pool 300 and 6 Pocket.
A little bit of something for everyone.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI-BCAPL-USAPL
Kickshotkid,
There are a lot of reasons to play in different leagues.
Having regional or national events affiliated is one.
Just a single, isolated league is a little limited.
I would become familiar with the western BCA, because most leagues are affiliated. This allows regional and national participation
Call our office if you want more info.
I feel the BCAPL is the most flexible and we have a lot of affiliated leagues, like Pool 300 and 6 Pocket.
A little bit of something for everyone.
Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI-BCAPL-USAPL
Start something new, exciting, and good for your local Pool Players.
LIKE THIS!
I see Zero Reason to affiliate with anything, but "YOU WAY". Try something new before you buy into something that don't work.
A friend was a affiliated with a National League Group, he went Solo because over 95% of his player were more happy to have the LEAGUE FEE in their Pockets, because out of 100-150 players in his league only a handful ever went to Las Vegas.
AS I said a friend was a affiliated with a National League Group, he went Solo because over 95% of his players were more happy to have the LEAGUE FEE ($25.00) in their Pockets, because out of 100-150 players in his league only a handful ever went to Las Vegas.
Beside these big Las Vegas Event don't for the most part have any Added Money. Where does all those LEAGUE FEES Go? Or should we say who's pocket get the GREEN....
What competition do you have in the area you'd like to have this league?
Personally, if I were in it as a way to make a living, I would go with an established system with a proven income stream.
I would look at taking over an existing established league with a proven revenue stream and a solid player base.
I would treat it as I would any business. If you can't earn a living at it, why do it?
Personally, if I were in it as a way to make a living, I would go with an established system with a proven income stream.
I would look at taking over an existing established league with a proven revenue stream and a solid player base.
I would treat it as I would any business. If you can't earn a living at it, why do it?
AS I said a friend was a affiliated with a National League Group, he went Solo because over 95% of his players were more happy to have the LEAGUE FEE ($25.00) in their Pockets, because out of 100-150 players in his league only a handful ever went to Las Vegas.
Beside these big Las Vegas Event don't for the most part have any Added Money. Where does all those LEAGUE FEES Go? Or should we say who's pocket get the GREEN....
150 players isn't going to pay jack to the league operator. That's like 25 teams maybe.
The OP has stated he wants to make a living from the league. I would assume the league fees are going to the league operator and whomever sold the franchise (if he buys into an existing system).
Does your "friend" own the establishment that the league plays in? If he does then he's benefiting from the patronage, and is running the league to get paying customers in the door. The OP doesn't appear to have this advantage, and might I say necessary part of an independent league where the league fees go back to the player.
The OP isn't doing it for a hobby or to occupy his golden years, he's doing it to pay the bills.
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What competition do you have in the area you'd like to have this league?
Personally, if I were in it as a way to make a living, I would go with an established system with a proven income stream.
I would look at taking over an existing established league with a proven revenue stream and a solid player base.
I would treat it as I would any business. If you can't earn a living at it, why do it?
hmm maybe because of passion? official league here= NO INCOME for any player or host. the bars profite from the teams/clubs that want to train, consume or attract other people to the tables.
players play because they love pool, not because of money, the bars host to have clubs who take care of the tables and produce a stable income during lousy days where the train sessions are placed.
im happy that there are so many people who help sport clubs or any hobby for free, otherwise only highly sponsored clubs could survive and amateursport would be dead.
great attitude
Read the OP. He has stated he's got a medical disability and is looking to make a living doing something he loves...
From the first post in the thread:
"This is something I am very seriously thinking about doing for financial purposes and of course I love the game, but I have Multiple Sclerosis so working a regular job is not really possible"
Given the parameters of the original post, I gave him good advice.
I do play in an APA masters league that pays out to the players. Last session I played 8 matches for $10/match and at the end of the session my share of the payout was $58.00. The first place team (4 players) got $1600 and a change to go to Vegas and compete nationally.
Read the OP. He has stated he's got a medical disability and is looking to make a living doing something he loves...
From the first post in the thread:
"This is something I am very seriously thinking about doing for financial purposes and of course I love the game, but I have Multiple Sclerosis so working a regular job is not really possible"
Given the parameters of the original post, I gave him good advice.
I do play in an APA masters league that pays out to the players. Last session I played 8 matches for $10/match and at the end of the session my share of the payout was $58.00. The first place team (4 players) got $1600 and a change to go to Vegas and compete nationally.
That is correct, I am looking to do this to help supplement my income. If I was healthy and could do it I would absolutely start my own league for the players, but even a bar league I play on has league fees for trophys, banquets and to give back to the person that runs it all. I as a player have no problem paying leagues to play as long as they are fair with what they payout what they pocket and how they treat the players. Which is ofcourse how I plan to be, fair. I see no reason why a person shouldn't be able to make money doing something they love to do, pro players, cue makers, table makers, league owners ect they all make money because of pool and they also give back to pool in different ways just like all other sports...
i just doubt that the income of such a league is enough to make a living (correct me if incorrect).
like i said, league and tournaments here are just "advertisement" to attract the players, to keep them as customers. but i have to say that we keep the tables in shape ourselfs (reclothing, new balls etc) so the owner has no supplementary costs.
like i said, league and tournaments here are just "advertisement" to attract the players, to keep them as customers. but i have to say that we keep the tables in shape ourselfs (reclothing, new balls etc) so the owner has no supplementary costs.
I have to correct you, if operating leagues didn't make any money there wouldnt be APA CSI BCA and all the others. I know of a guy that opperates a APA league and now makes 80k running it last I herd. Just like anything else some make more some make less, you get what you put in and if I could make a fraction of what that guy makes I will be happy. Like I said I have MS and my options are very limited I have to be self imployed because from day to day I don't know how sick I am going to be. So I figure the more ways I can bring any kind of money in the better, being sick is expensive.
All local bar leagues and bar tournements are marketing to get people in the door, but CSI, APA and the likes are not just local bar leagues. if they were they wouldn't have the money to sponser players like SVB and pay tens of thousands of dollars for tournements and everything else they pay for. The local bars where I live pay for there own table expenses and some even sponser teams and pay there league fees because with the money we put in the tables and pay them for drinks, pull tabs, food and whatever else they have it's well worth it for them.
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