Nice to be vindicated on 8-ball

I have never suggested nor have I ever heard anyone else suggest that pros be "forced to play on little tables...". Nor am I talking about playing in "dingy bars for scraps". The $1,000 bar table games I saw were in clean, smoke-free environments on new tables. They were between well-known professionals and even world champions. I doubt they were "forced" to play on those tables.
I met a guy once who played OK, but always lost on bar boxes because he had little cue ball control. He hated those "little tables". That wasn't you, was it?

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor

I'm not the one you were asking but I find it really hard to toggle between 9-foot Diamonds with green cloth and 7-foot Diamonds with blue cloth. I play on the former 5 or 6 days a week, and on the 7th day, when I have to move to the 7-footers, I have no speed control. They're wicked fast and it's really hard to adjust.
 
sure, i like to watch safety play and tactical battles, but non-pool players definitely don't.

What, and they are watching the almost pure offense of rotation pool? The non-pool players don't watch pool, period atm. Rotation pool was pushed because of people saying what you just said and we wasted 40 years on it NOT getting the interest of virtually anyone.
 
I have never suggested nor have I ever heard anyone else suggest that pros be "forced to play on little tables...". Nor am I talking about playing in "dingy bars for scraps".
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I met a guy once who played OK, but always lost on bar boxes because he had little cue ball control. He hated those "little tables". That wasn't you, was it?

I'm not sure why you're so upset you need to resort to that. It doesn't speak highly of you, but it's entirely possible you're just having a bad day. Go easy on the insults.

You are forced to play on certain equipment when a tournament's format is decided to be that way. So, when people always add that tagline, "...on a barbox", it loses my interest instantly, and the dollars I spend. I'm not sure why 8-ball was always treated like that in the US. Justin himself said it would never work on a 9' table. It's nice to see that isn't true either.

Maybe if TDs get the 8-ball off the little tables you'll see pool become more interesting as a few of us have long said. Not a different game, just a pro table. With tight pockets.

Where are 7' tables found 99% of the time? Crappy bars. A $1000 payday is scraps for a professional player, at least to me. That's just not appealing, but I think it's comfortable for some.
 
What, and they are watching the almost pure offense of rotation pool? The non-pool players don't watch pool, period atm. Rotation pool was pushed because of people saying what you just said and we wasted 40 years on it NOT getting the interest of virtually anyone.

i agree that no one watches pool....what i'm saying is that changing over to 8 ball isn't going to change that. i think it would make it even worse, if that's even possible.
 
i agree that no one watches pool....what i'm saying is that changing over to 8 ball isn't going to change that. i think it would make it even worse, if that's even possible.

I don't know about that. More people play 8 ball than anything else and might be more interested in seeing how the best players play the game they play.

The only thing that is sure is that doing nothing at all won't change the state of the game.
 
Insult?

I'm not sure why you're so upset you need to resort to that. It doesn't speak highly of you, but it's entirely possible you're just having a bad day. Go easy on the insults.

You are forced to play on certain equipment when a tournament's format is decided to be that way. So, when people always add that tagline, "...on a barbox", it loses my interest instantly, and the dollars I spend. I'm not sure why 8-ball was always treated like that in the US. Justin himself said it would never work on a 9' table. It's nice to see that isn't true either.

Maybe if TDs get the 8-ball off the little tables you'll see pool become more interesting as a few of us have long said. Not a different game, just a pro table. With tight pockets.

Where are 7' tables found 99% of the time? Crappy bars. A $1000 payday is scraps for a professional player, at least to me. That's just not appealing, but I think it's comfortable for some.

There is no insult in any of my posts. I simply stated a fact and asked a polite question. Your reaction was telling.

No is ever "forced" to play anything. If you don't like a particular size table then don't play on it! If you don't like a tournament don't play in it!

You seem obsessed with telling others how they must think and act...
The gist of my comments has simply been that there's a place in pool history for different size tables, and I have enjoyed playing on most of them. Why does this upset you?

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
i agree that no one watches pool....what i'm saying is that changing over to 8 ball isn't going to change that. i think it would make it even worse, if that's even possible.

Only JCIN can say if sales were better. Given the short notice it might take more than one outing to produce results. I agree with John, the IPT was onto something with 8-ball at pro level.
 
well I think looking at TAR numbers is going to be misleading....TAR is aimed at hardcore pool fans, not the general public.

at this point, i don't think anything is going to "save" pool. if saving means moving pool to some sort of mainstream success and viewership. at least in the US. there are so many other smaller sports and games, and none of those have ever blown up either over the years. we might just have to face the fact that pool is a niche game with a niche market....nothing wrong with that.
 
I suggested TARs numbers because it was introduced to bars this time. Having something people understand and can relate to probably helps quite a bit. The 1P and 10-Ball are more niche. We love all of them for sure, but the 8-Ball is a much broader appeal.

Somehow I doubt having a game of pro-level golf on the snooker table or billiards would interest the western public much, even if it was free. I'd still love to watch the billiards, but then again, I'm one of the evil pool people. :D
 
yeah, the showing of TAR at bars is interesting, but i guess the problem there is how to measure how many people there watched. i think most of the places were more pool rooms, so i'm guessing many of the people there are pool players anyways. still, would be interesting to see how the 8-ball worked out for TAR
 
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