Longest Extreme Draw Shot Recorded

Oh it's the longest draw shot recorded by you. The length of the draw shot depends mainly on the stroke and the condition and type of the cloth. So if you could ask Mike Massey to do the draw shot on a carom table , I bet the length would be 3 table length or more :)
 
There are tons of players that can draw two lengths. I think Nevil probably has the strongest draw stroke 1 or two handed.

Rod
 
When I was in college there was a guy who would break the balls as hard as he could, and inadvertently put draw on the cue ball every time. His cue ball would draw over three lengths of the table on some break shots.
 
I would hope most people here can draw the cue ball two table lengths...
 
whitewolf said:
Notice that he does NOT use the low and level stroke as some instructors on here advocate. He is hitting DOWNWARD on the cue ball.
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One Pocket John said:
And dropping his elbow. :)

John
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. Although Mike's cue isn't "100% level" with the table, he isn't "jacking up" either. Rather, Mike's giving himself enough clearance, that when he follows-through and drops his elbow, neither his hand or any part of the cue will crash down onto the interfering rail (the short side of the table he's standing at). When he's at his finish position, his cue is as level as it can be (which isn't "level" at all -- due to the cue having to clear the rail).

Any of the old-timer AZB'ers here rememeber "PeerLanda" (or "Peer")? Here's a video of his, that shows a local player with a monstrous draw shot -- easily two table lengths, exceeding that on occasion:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqCPqYJ30zo

Granted, this is "let me see just how f'ing hard I can hit this, nevermind control" technique. But it does illustrate that monster draw shots are possible even without perfect technique (although Chris Capp [in the video] has textbook Lance Perkins pool technique).

-Sean
 
I think you'd also want to add the cue ball - object ball distance when measuring the length of a draw.
 
I've seen Massey do two and a half table lengths. You need the right table and cloth for the shot.
 
Jon Kucharo & Larry Nevel messed around with the draw shot one day & each could draw end-rail to end-rail twice & 1/2 way back (2-1/2 lengths of the table). I saw Jon do a touch better than that (nearly 2-3/4 table lengths) but every condition needs to be right. I believe he said he had made it back into the kitchen before (between 2-3/4 and 3 table lengths).

These shots were with the CB one diamond from the pocket & the CB one diamond away from that. Much easier to pocket the ball of course (versus the Massey shot), but I don't know of many that have that pure power.
 
sfleinen said:
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. Although Mike's cue isn't "100% level" with the table, he isn't "jacking up" either. Rather, Mike's giving himself enough clearance, that when he follows-through and drops his elbow, neither his hand or any part of the cue will crash down onto the interfering rail (the short side of the table he's standing at). When he's at his finish position, his cue is as level as it can be (which isn't "level" at all -- due to the cue having to clear the rail).

Any of the old-timer AZB'ers here rememeber "PeerLanda" (or "Peer")? Here's a video of his, that shows a local player with a monstrous draw shot -- easily two table lengths, exceeding that on occasion:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bqCPqYJ30zo

Granted, this is "let me see just how f'ing hard I can hit this, nevermind control" technique. But it does illustrate that monster draw shots are possible even without perfect technique (although Chris Capp [in the video] has textbook Lance Perkins pool technique).

-Sean
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So what do you do - put up another video where the shooter is hitting at a downward angle! Maybe you need to talk to Scott Lee about what 'level 'means for all of these BCA instructors.:rolleyes:
 
mosconiac said:
Jon Kucharo & Larry Nevel messed around with the draw shot one day & each could draw end-rail to end-rail twice & 1/2 way back (2-1/2 lengths of the table). I saw Jon do a touch better than that (nearly 2-3/4 table lengths) but every condition needs to be right. I believe he said he had made it back into the kitchen before (between 2-3/4 and 3 table lengths).

These shots were with the CB one diamond from the pocket & the CB one diamond away from that. Much easier to pocket the ball of course (versus the Massey shot), but I don't know of many that have that pure power.
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I once saw a guy shoot a draw shot with the cue ball on the 1st diamond, a bit off the rail, and the object ball frozen to the 1st diamond in front of the opposite pocket. He drew it back to the short rail, the ball went back down table and scratched with speed in the opposite pocket that the object ball went into. That is the most draw I've ever seen or heard of with a non-masse stroke.
 
Dave Nelson said:
You kidding? I would bet less than 10% can.

Dave Nelson
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I think more than that can if the cue ball is fairly close to the OB and the cloth is fast. For sure 10% or less if the cue ball is up by the head string or closer to the end rail.
 
FWIW, I can juice the rock pretty good and on my best day I can get back to the end rail (2 table lengths) with a perfectly clean & dry table. It takes me quite a few tries to catch it that perfect too.

On my table, which is dirty & slightly damp (in a basement), I did 1-3/4 last night. That's my limit on that equipment. I do 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 pretty consistently.

How some guys can consistently go 2-1/2 tables in beyond me.
 
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