You guys make no sense. This is an example of throw:
Is it possible to throw an object ball? Nope
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Except that Patrick said the exact opposite of this. His claim was that LESS spin would produce more throw. Thus a slow roll with a little bit of side spin would produce the most. This makes sense.
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Maximum throw (and maximum transferred sidespin) is achieved by a sliding cue ball at slow speed and:
- Hitting a straight-on shot with about half of maximum sidespin.
- Hitting a half ball shot with no sidespin.
- Hitting cuts between straight-on and half ball with (inside) sidespin diminishing from half of maximum to none as the cut increases.
On cuts thinner than half ball you can actually increase throw/transferredspin with a little (less than "gearing") outside spin.
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I think spin rates matter as well, we talk a tip or 2 tips of English. I wish there was a way to know how fast the ball is spinning on its axis I guarantee just like some baseball players can throw a curve and some cant that the spin rate is major difference between quality of players.
If you say cant throw an object it might be true that YOU cant throw an object ball.
If you say cant throw an object it might be true that YOU cant throw an object ball.
You guys make no sense. This is an example of throw:
Yes, but did he throw it with spin or momentum push, AND were his hands dirty?
I agree so some extent, but it is relative to the required shot & the amount of throw, etc. 'needed' or 'desired' to make the shot. I think 'we' get off track when we 'talk' to the extremes like 'most' & 'maximum' etc. I've often missed what I perceived as a difficult shot by over doing 'it'. What ever 'it' was that I was I trying to do. Then I say to myself or aloud, 'if i knew I could do that I would have shot it differently'. We're trying to 'talk' physics like as if we live in a 'sterile' world like space used to be before we started to polute it. Are 'we' going to start playing pool with a slide ruler in our back pocket. Ut oh, I showed my age. I meant a scientific calaulator in our back pocket. My point is, 'we' should understand the physical principles but then we need to develop a 'feel' for what they do when, under what circumstances. What I've determine from my short time here is that all too often some physics aspect is usually been left out of the conversation & it often appears to turn into an argument about who is 'more' correct & you 'has' more knowledge. Maybe I'm wrong because there is no tone or inflection in the 'written' words. Also, this was probably the wrong place for these statements. Sorry no ill intent at all or at anyone. I was merely speaking in general.
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i have to disagree with this as i routinely use inside to thin out a cut angle very slightly an object ball that must be slightly over cut do to a blocking ball but must be hit slowly it will work or at least it has for me.
Can you teach this to a 'dumb blonde'? No offense meant. I'm just saying, or I should say, I'm just asking, who, if anyone, plays pocket billiards like that?
I agree to some extent, one player puts more english on a ball with '1 tip' than another player puts on it with '2 tips'. But 'we' talk tips for english but leave off the stroke part of it. Here's a personal example: I recent aquired 3 LD shafts & my normal draw stroke (that I can usally do a 1 to 2 table lenght draw with if needed but rarely do) was not drawing the ball as much as usual. So... I had to adapt my normal stroke to accomodate these shafts or maybe, more appropriately, the tips. My point again is that there are MANY variables that 'we' leave out of our statements & conversations to the point that they are sometimes misleading, though probably not on purpose. some things are just difficult to relay correctly without wrting a book or at least a chapter. One sentence will rarelt do it. Again, just speking in general.
I agree with you in general but again say it's relative. I think maybe we might need to clarify some terminology and understand that there are more than one(1) force in play when shooting a shot.
1. cue ball momentum that 'pushes' the cut angle
2. cue bal spin that 'throws' the object ball off of the 'cut' angle
Situation: object ball on the spot to be cut into left corner pocket & cue ball at mid table. Hit incorrectly this CAN be a scatch shot. Also position comes into play.
So, you can shoot it a hair more full with right, low, center, or high, & throw it a little.
Or, you can hit a little thin, even more thinly than the other optin was a little 'full', & 'push / throw the shot.
These two(2) options CAN both make the ball without scratching, but each will wind up with a different position of the cue ball.
Also 'we' must keep in mind that the pocket is approx. two(2) ball wide & we do NOT alway have to aim to the middle of the pocket to make a ball.
Just trying to help if I can. No ill intent or posturing intended.
I don't know Ron Vitello, and I'm not the type to take lessons.....
..but I think you're misjudging him....he seems like a pretty sharp and
knowledgeable person.
His mistake was semantics...he was using the word 'throw' in a
different context.
I'm confident he understands that you can 'throw' a ball but he was
saying that you can't make an object ball 'masse'.
We need a billiard dictionary for all this jargon.
I agree. MIS-communication & what results from it are big problems on this site & in the real world.
you are correct but i was referring to a shot where pocket size made no difference because the closest contact point available witha good hit would send object ball to rail and throw was necessary to hit any of the pocket.
Object ball paths curve constantly when banked you will see it in tunica this week i guarentee it
We're good. I understand. I was just trying to 'define' the terms a bit & point out that there is usualyl a conbination of forces at play & sometimes they work together & sometimes they oppose each other.
You don't have to go to Tunica to see an object ball curve....
...it happens all the time where ever pool is being played.
But none of it will be making an object ball masse.
The object ball can masse slightly, the trick is you have to be on the right side and be the right distance from the object ball, to masse or curve the object ball use have to masse the cue ball. At 3 to 4 feet away object will turn over 2 inches. the shot is unbelievable, i have only showed this shot to 1 person he couldn't believe it. The shot is out there for everyone to see now. Jeff
I'm prepared to change my mind...it's a good day when you learn something.
..but I'm from Tramp Steamer's home state on this one.
...that would be Missouri
Who plays with knowledge of how balls act when they collide? I do. Apparently you don't?
pj
chgo
I totally agree, show me than i will believe it. this is the shot with pics at 3 different angles. Will the 5 ball go straight in dead center pocket without curving it, NO but it can be made dead center pocket, how does it do that? and it is not jumping over the 4 ball. Jeff
