You guys make no sense. This is an example of throw:

Patrick is right, if you slow roll the CB with a ton of side spin you will get more throw out of the shot.
Maximum throw (and maximum transferred sidespin) is achieved by a sliding cue ball at slow speed and:Except that Patrick said the exact opposite of this. His claim was that LESS spin would produce more throw. Thus a slow roll with a little bit of side spin would produce the most. This makes sense.
KMRUNOUT
You guys make no sense. This is an example of throw:
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Except that Patrick said the exact opposite of this. His claim was that LESS spin would produce more throw. Thus a slow roll with a little bit of side spin would produce the most. This makes sense.
KMRUNOUT
Inside english has very little throw power,Outside english has definitly got throw power, Thick angles english has more throw effect, Thin angles little throw effect. I learned this from a guy named Ray Martin and he has played a little pool in his time.
Maximum throw (and maximum transferred sidespin) is achieved by a sliding cue ball at slow speed and:
- Hitting a straight-on shot with about half of maximum sidespin.
- Hitting a half ball shot with no sidespin.
- Hitting cuts between straight-on and half ball with (inside) sidespin diminishing from half of maximum to none as the cut increases.
On cuts thinner than half ball you can actually increase throw/transferredspin with a little (less than "gearing") outside spin.
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I think spin rates matter as well, we talk a tip or 2 tips of English. I wish there was a way to know how fast the ball is spinning on its axis I guarantee just like some baseball players can throw a curve and some cant that the spin rate is major difference between quality of players.
If you say cant throw an object it might be true that YOU cant throw an object ball.
i have to disagree with this as i routinely use inside to thin out a cut angle very slightly an object ball that must be slightly over cut do to a blocking ball but must be hit slowly it will work or at least it has for me.
Note to self: Never get lessons from Ron Vitello....
I don't know Ron Vitello, and I'm not the type to take lessons.....
..but I think you're misjudging him....he seems like a pretty sharp and
knowledgeable person.
His mistake was semantics...he was using the word 'throw' in a
different context.
I'm confident he understands that you can 'throw' a ball but he was
saying that you can't make an object ball 'masse'.
We need a billiard dictionary for all this jargon.
I agree with you in general but again say it's relative. I think maybe we might need to clarify some terminology and understand that there are more than one(1) force in play when shooting a shot.
1. cue ball momentum that 'pushes' the cut angle
2. cue bal spin that 'throws' the object ball off of the 'cut' angle
Situation: object ball on the spot to be cut into left corner pocket & cue ball at mid table. Hit incorrectly this CAN be a scatch shot. Also position comes into play.
So, you can shoot it a hair more full with right, low, center, or high, & throw it a little.
Or, you can hit a little thin, even more thinly than the other optin was a little 'full', & 'push / throw the shot.
These two(2) options CAN both make the ball without scratching, but each will wind up with a different position of the cue ball.
Also 'we' must keep in mind that the pocket is approx. two(2) ball wide & we do NOT alway have to aim to the middle of the pocket to make a ball.
Just trying to help if I can. No ill intent or posturing intended.
I don't know Ron Vitello, and I'm not the type to take lessons.....
..but I think you're misjudging him....he seems like a pretty sharp and
knowledgeable person.
His mistake was semantics...he was using the word 'throw' in a
different context.
I'm confident he understands that you can 'throw' a ball but he was
saying that you can't make an object ball 'masse'.
We need a billiard dictionary for all this jargon.
you are correct but i was referring to a shot where pocket size made no difference because the closest contact point available witha good hit would send object ball to rail and throw was necessary to hit any of the pocket.
Object ball paths curve constantly when banked you will see it in tunica this week i guarentee it
You don't have to go to Tunica to see an object ball curve....
...it happens all the time where ever pool is being played.
But none of it will be making an object ball masse.
The object ball can masse slightly, the trick is you have to be on the right side and be the right distance from the object ball, to masse or curve the object ball use have to masse the cue ball. At 3 to 4 feet away object will turn over 2 inches. the shot is unbelievable, i have only showed this shot to 1 person he couldn't believe it. The shot is out there for everyone to see now. Jeff
Who plays with knowledge of how balls act when they collide? I do. Apparently you don't?...who, if anyone, plays pocket billiards like that?
I'm prepared to change my mind...it's a good day when you learn something.
..but I'm from Tramp Steamer's home state on this one.
...that would be Missouri