You haven't kicked at an OB a diamond off the rail with enough topspin to make the CB return to the rail. That's the OP's shot.
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Top english change to draw after bounces of bottom rail
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I miss typed I meant OB farther from the pocket not the cue ball. Sorry.
I don't appreciate being called a liar. I have done it & I've seen it done. As I said earlier it is usually done by accident when kicking VERY, VERY hard for some other purpose. Again I don't appreciate being called a liar. I think that is TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. If you disagree or don't THINK it can be done, then that's your opinion & you are certainly entitled to it no matter how incorrect it may be. How much playing time do you have that you've never at least seen it happen & 'THINK' that it can't be done.The original OP has seen it, that is why he's looking for a video of it to show another non- believer. I would never shoot a kick shot like that for the purpose of keeping the cue ball there. I would hit it with the appropriate 'soft' speed. But it has happend, I've done it, by accident, & I've seen it done & the orginal OP has seen it done. Just because you have not done it or seen it does not mean that it has never hapened or can't be done. When did God die & will you his 'job'.
Didn't mean it that way - sorry. I assumed you mistook what the OP was describing.
I seriously doubt it unless you were playing on brand new Simonis with brand new or just-polished balls - even then it's very unlikely. It can't be done at all with normal ball/cloth conditions.
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I think it is nearly impossible to do on normal equipment, but I wouldn't bet against someone who offers the proposition. I'd want to check the cue ball though -- some low-lifes have been known to doctor the cue ball for proposition shots.
It is a fairly standard shot at carom billiards if the object ball is within a couple of ball diameters of the cushion.
I have seen high-nylon pool cloth that might allow the one-diamond shot even without being new.
You 'apologize'... & THEN YOU CALL ME A LIAR AGAIN! Not just me, but you're calling the OP a liar as well. You did not answer my question as to how many years of playing experience do you have that you have not seen this at least once. I have 45 years of playing experience and 2 years of high school & 2 semesters of college physics. AND... while I do have an astigmatism from an eye injury, I KNOW what I saw AND I've seen it probably around a 1/2 dozen times, maybe more. Did someone else TELL you that it can't be done & if so , who? Keep in mind that I also said that 'I' have only done it by accident when shooting very very hard for another reason. As to the others that I've seen do it, I don't KNOW if they did it on purpose or not. I 'assumed', & we never should, that they too did it by accident, again while shooting very, very hard for another reason. Maybe you can't cause it to happen but that does not mean that it can't happen. I've done it. I've seen it happen. The OP has seen it happen. Maybe You ASSUME that the cue ball stays in contact with the cloth the whole time, maybe you forget that it may have left the cloth after hitting the rail for a period of time. Maybe it was bouncing before it hit the rail. Relatively speaking, there is very little friction from air compared to the cloth. Again you're entitled to your opinion but you should not make such a 'blanket' statement as that, especially when you have two(2) eye witnesses.
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Here, ladies and gentleman, is a poster who I will be following for a good long time.
Well said. The times I've seen it happen were not propositions and were usually on coin tables or an 8' hall table.
I think the effect you are describing takes place at the 0:31 second mark of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebDFOWB3_8&feature=plcp
I'm not sure how he managed to retain that much spin after hitting three rails, but I having a nagging feeling that it was something more than just slick cloth and a good stroke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WebDFOWB3_8&feature=plcp
I'm not sure how he managed to retain that much spin after hitting three rails, but I having a nagging feeling that it was something more than just slick cloth and a good stroke.
I have to agree with Bob. If the OB is close to the rail, it's not a hard shot at all. If the OB is a diamond off thhe rail, then it would require a very firm hit; in fact, I would imagine the CB would hop off the rail and bounce to tye OB, thus retaining the top-spin 8JIM9
What do you mean by that? Please, say what you mean & please don't hide behind innuendos.
Thanks for the video post. What do you think it was? A 'prop' cue ball or what?
As I've said earlier, the ones I did, on accident (hard one rail kick), & the ones that I've seen were done during play, mostly on a coin table, 'different' cue ball, & on hall tables. They WERE for real.
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Looks like he's using a straight masse type of hit with draw-right, so it holds hard going into that 3rd rail with outside top. Heading over to the bar to shoot a little.. will try that 1-rail kick and see what I can do.
I have no idea. I'm not very familiar with masses or trick shots, but it is my understanding that there are some types of silicone sprays that can be used to reduce a ball's friction from the cloth, allowing it to retain spin longer. If I had to guess, I would think that something like that was used in the video.
I think it was a trick shot artist using a vertical masse stroke on a cue ball slicked up for trick shot performance. And I doubt those are anything like the conditions under which you say this happens so often. It's definitely not any "rare one pocket shot" like the OP asked about.
I can only guess that we're talking about different shots.
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Yes it is a One Pocket shot. It is not hard to execute at all. All you do is hit the shot with a lot of high english. You have to hit the shot very firm. Like your trying to kick one rail the ball back at your hole. When CB comes off the rail it will still have the top english on it CB So when it hits the OB it will suck back to the end rail you kicked off of. I will see if I can get a video of the shot. Most one pocket players knows the shot very well and uses it quite often.
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If you do it on purpose without a ton of trys, your better than me. As i said earlier I've done it by accident when shooting hard for other reasons. But I've seen it done probably about 9 times on the 1 rail kick. Much more often on long 'straight' shots.
What shot are you talking about if not the one the OP described? I'm 'talking' about a long rail kick shot with the OB about a diamond or maybe a little more away from the pocket. The shot is hit hard. When the cue ball hits the OB a little off center, very little off center, it 'stuns' & then spins into the rail & usaully stays near the rail. I've also seen it 'stun' & then spin into the pocket for a scratch. It happens & I've seen it much more often, in fact I've done it much more often on a long hard hit 'straight' shot. As I said before when I've done it, it was not a good shot because I did not intend for it to happen that way. I hit the OB too full, nearly straight but not exactly straight. I assume, which we never should, that the ones I've seen by opponents were by accident as well. But I would never call them a liar if they said that is what they were trying to do. I would just ask them why didn't they just hit it softly. The result is the same & probably 99.9% percent more executable & hence, predictable. But again, I've done it, I've seen it done. And apparently so has the OP, as he says he has seen it. Now, why anyone would shoot that hard in a one pocket game is beyond me. If you thought I was talking about one pocket then we really miscommunicated. But I never 'said' that I had done or seen it in one pocket. I can't recall exactly but I think the OP said one pocket or something.