Jim Lee owed work

"And to the gentleman says if I was working instead of typing, you obviously did not read anything about this thread but the last few posts or have a clue anything about me or you would know how me and my customers are where we are at right now. So get a clue."

You sir came onto a PUBLIC forum and made the following statement.

"There ya have it , what is in my shop to go out. And I make a promise to all of you on this list, your cues or repairs that are here will be completed and delivered by June 1, 2012. Some sooner than others, but none later than that date !!!"

If you did not want public recognition you would have updated the customers via phone call email or pm. Well this is what happens when you are very late on a product make an iron clad promise and fail to deliver on that promise. I am the same guy that would have lauded you on delivering the work promised if on May 31st you would have posted all the work was completed, but since a that did not happen your feedback is negative.
 
wondering why on earth you'd make a promise on a public forum, and then not want the members who read the forum to make comments. That seems asinine to me (to borrow a phrase).
 
Health ! I really don't care what any of you want to add or post to this. The people will get the cues and life will go on. Any more than that, you all can argue amongst yourselves on how bad I am and how perfect you are.
The ole phrase, walk a mile in a man's shows.....You make comments when you have no idea! And as for the making posts in a public forum, yes I did and failed, and admitted to that. No work, or orders are being or will be taken thru my shop , so no worries of added adventures. It's over fella's!
 
A while back Jim did three separate wraps for me. His work was excellent. He sent me pictures of different wraps draped on my cue so I could decide which wrap I liked best. He was easy to work with and communicated very well. Then I heard he had some health problems. I don't know what exactly but that was the onset of his problems. I know how it is to be sick and try to get work done. So, I feel badly for those of you that trusted Jim and did not get what you paid for. You've shown great patience. And I also feel for Jim. Looks like no one will be completely happy in the end , but I do hope that things work out for all of those involved.
 
Jim built me a cue a few years back, he did a hell of a job. He is trustworthy.

Here post #1, Jim made the fatal mistake that no cue maker should ever make at any time and that is a promised completion date at the beginning of this thread(1 of 500 on AZB just like it; only plug in different names) so much can go wrong there is no such thing as a predictable completion date. The last cut on the wood and it moves-your screwed and just pissed off a guy who expects something thats now impossible. Secondly the people he promised made a mistake, holding a cue maker to any completion date. point is ya'll are wrong in this thread and in all the others by cue makers and buyers alike who been fighting in the other 500 threads.

Read this and learn all of you, please.... then we can talk about pool not knocking each other. There is so much in-fighting pool is getting ruined by it.

Both sides here show lots of inexperience in the cue world. Please dont start arguing about that, if you think im wrong- then fine i'm wrong in your world-not the whole world. so save it please. too many petty arguments here on azb anyways., but i know what the hell i'm talking about when it comes to ordering and buying cues, i never seem to have problems and i'm buying cues from the same builders-who aint doing me any favors, they offer sometimes, i decline that, i dont have anything special comming. so please save that BS too.. The builder and buyers are both wrong in this case and many other times on azb, its usually not always customers with too high of expectations and cue builders who are new in the biz.. Neither side knows the biz and expects too much from the other, thats a powder keg-seen it with many different builders over the past 6 years here. I aint picking sides with anyone on either side.

Look at Tikkler he is a champion buyer, or Wil Prout, those guys dont have drama(too the best of my knowledge) Ya'll beefing ought to look at yourselfs. Cause the guys who ahve been at this a long time rarely fight about delivery dates-they find other stupid stuff to beef about, ask Jimbo about that. ;)

Someday i'm going to make a post on "How to order a custom cue" I been doing this since 7-1-86(I remember the date cause it was my pop's b-day) and have ordered piles of cues at all price ranges from new builders to old seasoned guys ever since 7-1-86, never stopped, and there are things buyers need to know., I aint seen a thread on it, i touched on it once 6-8 months ago. I learned lots over the years.

Want something on time?, go to Walmart, Want a good cue, learn how to buy-thread coming soon, some of it is in this post. Cue Builders need to know somethings too ESPECIALLY -dont ever/NEVER promise anything with a time line, shit happens. And your the bad guy because accidentally a piece of wood split/warped on the last pass. you trapped yourself with a inexperienced buyer, you got no out., Do what you do, only promise a good cue when its done and train your custoers to understand "real custom cues" dont have start/finish dates. If a customer demands a finish date dont take the biz, cause its a problem looking for a date to start on.

Customers let cue makers do their thing and be happy when it arrives. If you sent in $$$ its on you. Cue builders with huge deposits can cause problems too. Thats on them. I aint going there now. That needs to be settled then the "Cue Wars" might slow down so we get 2-3 threads a year about this topic.


Perhaps some people will learn something here, or this could be a catalyst for more senseless arguments that go on forever over nothing. learning not arguing is the intent of this thread.

If people would read this thread and actually do biz like this there would be about 500 less threads of arguing about cues and when they are late, overly demanding buyers and over promising builders=all rookies IMO. Season your selfs up and learn, not argue.


Best
eric:) aka the real Fatboy
 
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I have had several custom cues built. Not once have I ever paid in advance, nor would I. If they, the cue maker, cannot afford to buy the materials and do the work without me paying them fist, I will find someone else no matter how great their cues and workman ship are reported to be. The same with repairs, no way I'm paying for repairs before they are actually made. I mean think about it, why would you pay before the cue is made? If you back out, the cue maker can still sell the cue for a profit, and that is basically the statement from the last custom cue maker I had make a cue for me. He wasn't worried in the least. He told me "if you don't like it, don't worry, I will be able to sell it easily, but you will like it"......and I did so I paid him after it was completed. I liken it to paying for a home before it's actually built.....I don't think so.

Paying folks, any folks, for services before they are rendered, is usually not a good idea. Not always, but once payment is made, sometimes the urgency to complete the work is lost. I have been burned once, and once was enough. I will only do business with companies/folks that are willing to take payment after services are rendered or goods provided. If I had a cue in for repairs or refinishing, and had not given out any cash, I would simply tell the person to mail be back the cue, that I will take my business somewhere else if they failed to meet their obligations in a timely fashion. Anytime you pay someone in advance, you are at their mercy, end of story. It's not good business.
 
you unfortunately have to give a deposit to cuemakes. as they believe that they may get stuck with un bought cues. that may be true.

anyway when you order you should get or ask for a time frame for completion of your work. any decent person will try very hard to fall within that time frame. if he cant he needs to call and start a new time frame. such as he messed up the butt and needs to redo and a few months more. never should a customer be held in the dark waiting for his order.
a person that does that is a piss poor business person and a piece of crap as a living being.

what i dont understand is the cuemakers that do this still get people to keep ordering from them. just because at some point they made a nice cue.
 
you unfortunately have to give a deposit to cuemakes. as they believe that they may get stuck with un bought cues. that may be true.

Not all of them. And if you are giving a deposit, I'd strongly suggest looking for past history of delivery times. If they are always very late, then I'd pick a different maker.

I usually skip cue makers that ask for a deposit myself. There are two exceptions. One I don't believe is taking orders so I'm not going to name him. The other is Bob Dzuricky, Bob delivers on time and wouldn't hesitate to give him a deposit. There are other cuemakers out there that are good at meeting dates given, and don't really see a issue in giving a deposit if you can find enough history. Without the history, there is no way I'd give one.
 
Jim,
Please send me back my cue in it's current state. I emailed you about 6 days ago and left you a phone message as well. Please no more excuses or broken promises, just send it back. You've quoted me 2 days for a wrap job several times during the last 5 months. I'm just tired of all this bs.
Ted


If anyone living near Milan, Indiana wants to make a few bucks to pick up my cue and ship it to me, please contact me.



Wow!! That is terrible. Wish I could help you.
 
Jim, been almost 2 weeks and haven't received shipping info or cue yet like you said. Did you ship it out? You've had my cue for over 5 months already. Please call me.
 
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I took you up on this offer Jim. Two weeks and no cue yet. Ignoring phone calls, emails, pm's. You have NOT been professional and helpful as you purported. Stop lying with your, "Oh, it's almost done, just hang in with me one more day" Enough lies and hiding already, just send it back.




Ok, here is the deal for you Tommie , if you would like your cue, or if any one wants there cue mailed to them as is or in it's current state, please email me at jimleecustoms@yahoo.com and please include your current address or the address you want them shipped.
I have done all I can to be nice, helpful, and professional up to this point. So if you would like your cues, let me know. I just set a deal in motion for another maker to finish them as I am unable to. Most are awaiting a little inlay work or finish of clear coat.
Want to go down your road Tommie, go right ahead. All your cues, items are here, so every one of you emailing me calling me a thief, crook, your cute little comments, I hope you have enjoyed it. You wanna talk about doing to me harm, bring it on fella's as I am done with you specific people. Many cues have been delivered, many are so close awaiting the help I have asked for from another maker. So if you don't wanna wait, give me the word and your cues will be in the mail. And no , there will not be any refunds on any of your cues, period!
Have a great night and take care fella's and please let me know what you want .
 
Ill be 25 next week by the time I get my cue from Jim which i ordered when i was like 20/21.
 
Ill be 25 next week by the time I get my cue from Jim which i ordered when i was like 20/21.

Are you actually getting the cue? Or at least that's what he said right? I hope it turns out ok. Well, he's had my cue for almost 6 months for a wrap job. He promised me many times that it was only 2 days to go too. Everything that comes out of his mouth has been a lie so far. What a sucker I am.

I just hope I can get my back before I have to do a military move and that nobody else gets screwed Geez! Here's the cue I stupidly sent him.

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Are you actually getting the cue? Or at least that's what he said right? I hope it turns out ok. Well, he's had my cue for almost 6 months for a wrap job. He promised me many times that it was only 2 days to go too. Everything that comes out of his mouth has been a lie so far. What a sucker I am.

I just hope I can get my back before I have to do a military move and that nobody else gets screwed Geez! Here's the cue I stupidly sent him.

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That is a nice looking cue man. I feel bad for everyone in this situation. My friend who had a cue on order from him is out his $100 deposit after he gave me permission to tell Jim to stick it up his @#$^ after repeatedly lies with no pictures to ever show his cue exists over a long period of time. Jim also said the same things like pieces are all cut and ready for assembly and then months and months with no pictures or updates. During the whole process not even 1 picture was ever sent showing it existed or had been started to put his mind at ease. Live and learn I guess and IF he decides to ever have his first custom cue made he will go elsewhere. I should have just had him go through the same guy I did Paul Sumrall who was a great guy to work with. GL to everyone involved here, I understand your frustration you are going through and it sucks.
 
Sorry to hear about your friend. The whole thing definitely sucks for those involved for sure.
 
You two are idiots, down right, simple idiots. Maker's beware of these two, well at least Q Street. The other guy Spimp I have never dealt with, so super idiot is his title !
These are the kinds of guys ruining pool. And they like it! Duh...
 
You two are idiots, down right, simple idiots. Maker's beware of these two, well at least Q Street. The other guy Spimp I have never dealt with, so super idiot is his title !
These are the kinds of guys ruining pool. And they like it! Duh...

This response kinda makes the thread you just created look f*cking stupid. Just so ya know....
 
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