APA Vegas is a joke

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I just got back from a very disapointing trip to the nationals where the biggest factor was who got the least amount of bad rolls ,

I was Playing in the masters division where we had the worst playing tables I have ever seen in turny at any level and to boot the masters division had to pay for the games not a quarter not 50 cents but a dollar a game, AUFKM,, they should be ashamed of them selfs ;;

we stumbled in to 33 out of 256 and got a whopping $150 witch did not even cover the cost of the tables, every single macth that was played was a crap shoot and the least deciding factor was the players skill at the table it was all about who got the rolls at the rite time

very disapointing to say the least

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We just got back too, also disappointed. But it is what it is. We lost to teams that I believe we beat 8 out of 10 times in a normal situation, but for whatever reason, they were better on those days. Maybe you and me didn't get any rolls this time, but who get them every time? This is one (among many) reasons I can think of that we play APA and not in the U.S. Open or on the Mosconi Cup team. I can say one thing for certain, win or lose, 3 or 4 days in Las Vegas is plenty, and I will return to play there again, hopefully better than I played this time. Don't blame the tables, just do what you can to play better, that way we don't need to count on getting rolls.
 
Celophanewrap said:
We just got back too, also disappointed. But it is what it is. We lost to teams that I believe we beat 8 out of 10 times in a normal situation, but for whatever reason, they were better on those days. Maybe you and me didn't get any rolls this time, but who get them every time? This is one (among many) reasons I can think of that we play APA and not in the U.S. Open or on the Mosconi Cup team. I can say one thing for certain, win or lose, 3 or 4 days in Las Vegas is plenty, and I will return to play there again, hopefully better than I played this time. Don't blame the tables, just do what you can to play better, that way we don't need to count on getting rolls.
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Sorry pal cant agree with you on this one,, bad rolls is one thing trash tables poorly set up that dictate out comes is another your not playing in some $5 dollar tue night turny ,, your playing for thousands of dollars
its a farce at best ,, good luck to ya next yr you wont see me there


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one stroke said:
Sorry pal cant agree with you on this one,, bad rolls is one thing trash tables poorly set up that dictate out comes is another your not playing in some $5 dollar tue night turny ,, your playing for thousands of dollars
its a farce at best ,, good luck to ya next yr you wont see me there


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Yea, it's true, the ball did roll in some odd directions, but my opponent was playing on the same table I was. The other team adjusted a little fast a little better. Maybe for that kind of money future years will bring Diamonds instead of Valleys. But every bar table has it's own personality. I hear this was the last year (or is it next year) for the contract at the Riv, new location, new changes?
 
Really?

The bad rolls only happened to one team, not their opponent?

How do I mask my surprise....?
 
The APA has always sucked. Using Valley tables makes it even worse.
As much as they make they should be using diamonds, no doubt
 
Bad tables and the saying,,,their playing on them too. LMAO

It just don't cut it no matter where or what league. It's true their playing on them too. And if they don't know how to play,,the table roll don't really even bother them.

The person who it does bother,,is the one that hits the ball and knows where it is going,,and where it should go.. And it doesn't go there because the tables suck.

It evens the field for a lessor player. PERIOD!!!!
 
Bad Tables???

The Valley tables are not the problem, its how they are set up. Thoses tables have been around for ever and I have seen BIG MONEY matches played on them when they were the only Bar tables around.

The Diamond tables are cool, but if set up right any table can give consistant play.
 
yes, the tables ****in sucked. crooked and un-level. We lost our first match in the masters, double hill both sets and one of the sets was lost due to a bad roll. I know that's the way it goes sometimes, but I would rather loose any other way than by a bad roll on a double hill set on a ball I hit perfect.

The thing that pissed me off worse than the shitty table for the masters players, was the BULLSHIT sudden death for the third set if it hasn't started within 2.5 hours of the match start time. That happened to us twice.

However, it was very enjoyable to watch one of the players in the final match damn near break and run the whole set, with the exception on one dry break. And then that guy shot once and missed.

All that being said, it was a free trip to Vegas and I''ll be there next year to try again.
 
King T said:
The Valley tables are not the problem, its how they are set up. Thoses tables have been around for ever and I have seen BIG MONEY matches played on them when they were the only Bar tables around.

The Diamond tables are cool, but if set up right any table can give consistant play.
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I agree, It was almost as if they set these tables up and didnt even attept to level them. They were really really bad.
 
There isn't much as discouraging as when you think you've hit a beautiful shot only to have the ball drift a little to the right or left because the table was set up poorly or the felt is inconsistent, but once you're in the match or in the middle of the tournament what are you gonna do? For me, I try to adjust the best I can as fast as I can. bltching and whining takes me even further from my best game. Frustrating? Absolutely, maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the better player will make adjustments and the cream will rise to the top and not try to build an excuse for just in case
 
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Maybe I was lucky, but the tables I played my matches on were fine--for Valleys. I've seen much worst in past years. But maybe I got a lucky draw.

Diamonds would be great, but Diamond has ties to APA competitors, which apparently has led the APA to decide not to use Diamonds (strikes me as short-sighted).

The Masters is a fun tournament; like all things APA, the main "payoffs" are the trip, the experience, and the competition. Not the prize money. So if you're in it for the prize money, you'll probably be disappointed.

Cory
 
I've come to expect imperfections in the tables at these large events. Even if they are set up well, they are used 16 hours a day. And it certainly didn't help that they were rained on.

My Masters team found that the rails were giving some odd bounces. It ended one or two runs early because we didn't get the shape we were trying for. Overall though, the table conditions didn't determine the outcome of any of our matches.

My most frustrating moment was after I missed a shot because of table roll and found out that my teammate who played just prior to me noticed the roll and didn't tell me before my match.
 
Diamonds would be great, but Diamond has ties to APA competitors, which apparently has led the APA to decide not to use Diamonds (strikes me as short-sighted).

I too was there this year and I feel like the tables and equipment was set up for people to go up in handicap. What I mean is that the tables were fast and had huge pockets. Bad shots were going into big pockets the whole time I was there. When I was there in 2003 they had Diamond tables with simonis cloth and incredibly tight pockets. I loved playing on those. To me it meant that the better skilled player would win.
 
it's all about Mark and CSI.... Mark has interest in Diamond so apparently since he owns the BCAPL and the USAPL the APA doesn't want him involved in the WPBA or to even to supply desperately needed quality tables to the APA's crowning jewel....

Hubbart and Bell seem to be currently set on leaving behind inheritance while Mark seems to be trying to leave behind a legacy... I only hope Hubbart and Bell are both visited by the various ghosts of Christmas before they pass....
 
Pretty sorry that the qualifier (the cities) is played on Diamonds in my area, but not at the championships.
 
Celophanewrap said:
There isn't much as discouraging as when you think you've hit a beautiful shot only to have the ball drift a little to the right or left because the table was set up poorly or the felt is inconsistent, but once you're in the match or in the middle of the tournament what are you gonna do? For me, I try to adjust the best I can as fast as I can. bltching and whining takes me even further from my best game. Frustrating? Absolutely, maybe I'm wrong, but I believe the better player will make adjustments and the cream will rise to the top and not try to build an excuse for just in case
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This is the most over rated statement in pool I have seen some of the best players in the world crumble to bad tables , Earl heads that list
Adjusting and predicting are two entirely differant things , you can adjust to slow cloth or to rails spongy or not but if your playing on tables unpridictable thats a whole other animal , as another poster said it brings the field closer together

Yes Cory you were lucky I watched your matches as my friends were shooting on your team and your tables did not seem bad ,, however your team mates were not so lucky when they went to thier 8 ball teams and played on table 35 that was one of several I saw with the rails at the side pockets were push out making a on the rail shot past the pocket imposible to make , this thier is no excuse for

To the sudden death ya what a debocle that was the average pro 9 ball match I think is played in 54min on great eguiptment ,,thats a average
Its hard for me to comprehend asking amatures to play close to those numbers with big cheese on the line,, the masters was played in the mini turny area its pittifull that they gave way to those meaninless matches

And for the masters , the best of the best to have to pay a dollar a game to play is appalling ,,and they call themselves the best game in town

Ya rite:mad:


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