Ivory Joint Schon Tributes

rigmaster said:
I think the only part Matt got right is they are sold..He had his facts wrong about the joint and the part about Dennis Searing does his like this schon! but probably right about the CNC rounded points!
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Dean is a great and unique pitchman with lots of influence in the cue world.

Searing is a craftsman with love and desire to approach perfection in his profession.

Schon is a venerable maker with great history and a fabulous product.

Matt is a pretender.

There's been some funny posts on all of these cues (one of which I've owned and thought it was a great cue for the money). Likening this joint (whatever it is like) to Searing's is at least as pointless (especially considering it hasn't been made or seen yet) and laughable as thinking the CNC points were somehow similar to Ernie's. I mean yeah, they both use CNC, but Tiger Woods and I both use golf clubs, and Tiger is Tiger and I'm me. I mean Eddie Wheat uses wood and glue, lets put him in the HOF.
 
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cueaddicts said:
Dean, thanks for doing this.

Folks, Dean and I spoke last week, discussing this cue and how special it is. A really perfect, classic design and by one the the greatest cuemakers ever, who unfortunately passed way too soon.

Anyhow, I asked if it would be possible to do a 'tribute' (limited series) cue for this Craig Petersen.....which I learned is actually very fitting given that Dean worked with Craig on the original design of this same cue long ago.

Imo, this will make for a truly special 'tribute'......and as nice as the previous ones from Schon turned out, expect they'll knock this one out of the park, too.

Sean
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Sean

I'm confused. Are you saying that the cues Dean just sold out are tributes to your Petersen (which is awesome), or were you discussing a future project?

Thanks

Kevin
 
Lol nicely put Kevin! I think where Matt got confused was the Solid Ivory Joint and thought it would be flat faced however many solid Ivory joints are indeed piloted my Showman is solid but piloted no stainless sleeve inside or out!
 
rigmaster said:
Lol nicely put Kevin! I think where Matt got confused was the Solid Ivory Joint and thought it would be flat faced however many solid Ivory joints are indeed piloted my Showman is solid but piloted no stainless sleeve inside or out!
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I don't quite know where he got confused to be honest.

But if its piloted, here comes more comparison's to Ginacues. Gus made them that way too too.
 
Anyway, congrats to Dean for another super-quick sell-out of his edition. Can't wait to see them.

I'd say Dean has found a niche, but I think its more like he invented one. Very nice.

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
Sean

I'm confused. Are you saying that the cues Dean just sold out are tributes to your Petersen (which is awesome), or were you discussing a future project?

Thanks

Kevin
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My CP is being 'tributized' for this project.....and it sounds like all have been sold out. :smile:
 
To all the pundits........

I own a flat faced ivory joint cue.....I own a piloted ivory joint cue.....I know what ivory joints are all about....I've discussed this cue project in detail with deanoc for awhile and was passing along information that was shared with me......if that troubles anyone, I'm sorry....not for havinng posted the information but rather the cynical, condescending attitude these folks seem to have.......Tsh....Tsh....Tsh.

And let's see how these cues ultimately turn out and how far off my post might actually be.....and the points may come as a surprise to many......and the comment I made about this joint resembling what Dennis Searing has used was simply passing along how deanoc described the joint to me.........I do not have any personal experience with Dennis Searing cues and am relying upon the description given to me.

And to all that have an issue with my post or even my presence on the Forum, your taunts and cynicism doesn't deter or dissuade me in the slightest from expressing my comments and opinions truthfully and candidly now and in the future whenever the urge or need arises. Congrats to the other six buyers of these ivory joint Schon cues.......the seven of us will be receiving a very special Schon cue because of deanoc's friendship with Evan Clarke.
 
rigmaster said:
So it's all Deans fault now we see However it was your description of the
Ivory joint SURROUNDED by stainless that confused me!
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^^^ He thinks he's in the know, and that everyone wants to hear what he has to say. Meanwhile, us folks that have been wheeling and dealing high end cues for 20+ years just sit back and laugh. Other than his unwanted diatribes, he's harmless, not worth the time. I need to remind myself of that sometimes... all done with that.

On to bidnezz...

Dean, good talking with you last night. Glad to see we both agree on many 'things'. I also got your message from today, and I'll be calling you back later tonight.
 
There seems to be more and more of this back and forth between members lately. This sums up what is wrong with pool in general if you think about it. We need to support each other in the day to day dealings here on the forum and be a little more thick skinned as a community.

This is just my opinion and take that for what it is. I have been here long enough to see the good and the bad and know that sooner or later the good will show up again. I just can't help to wonder how many new viewers read post like this and they get turned away. Not the best way to grow a sport.
 
Private message from Mr. Know-it-all...
I did not think he could be more presumptuous and inaccurate than previously, I apparently was wrong. And I guess I'm a knuckle dragging bully too ;)


"You'll Never Change - Today, 04:15 PM
The sun will come up tomorrow.....Obama will be re-elected.....I'll keep buying and selling cues happily.....and you'll still be a miserable SOB with little class and minimal intelligence........I mean you make my day with your presumptious arrogance and obvious resentment of me.

It's lucidly apparent that you just don't like people who stand up to bullies like you and others self-proclaimed cue experts on the Forum. It pisses you off to see someone who has the balls to call things the way they see it. I won't myself to your level because I walk erect and my knuckles don't drag on the ground when I walk like yours. "
 
gentlemen

please erase all of the private banter
i would appreciate it if you fellows would post such remarks else where

i have talked with most of you,and i believe its fair to say

no one has an issue with me
in fact many of you have bought the cues and i enjoyed talking with everyone

just a friendly request

dean
 
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Dean is by far the best person I have had the pleasure of making deals with.
I am proud to call him a friend.
What he sells is top notch.
Ty for all that you have done for me brother.


Michael
 
as i understand the ivory joint will on the visible side
the steel ring on the inside

schon has chosen to do it this way
as i understand it,this piloted joint is similar in this respect to the way that searing makes his

schon came up with the idea and explained it to me,i may not explain it as well

at any rate the cue will be an ivory jointed schon that is meantto be like the beautiful Craig Petersen

possibly one of the prettiest cues i ever saw

made by schon,so we can expect the quality they are famous for

i am very proud of this undertaking as well as the others we have done with schon

i would prefer if you fellas would keep a good attitude toward each other
 
Sharp points

I dont get this, Schon has been doing all sorts of cues these days, Special this and that cues, But they wont do what everyone has been waiting and wanting,,, Sharp pointed cue, Hello Evan Clark is there anyone home !!!!
I guess he and Schon are very happy being a production cue
 
i was curious about the sleeved joints and have spoken to several cue makers about them. the ivory over steel is soley for looks. cues made this way have the look of ivory and the playability of steel joints. those who say that dennis came up with something new are correct, but since steel is much harder than ivory it creates the illusion without the effect. should be interesting non the less, especially being modeled after such a nice cue.
 
JT's cuerepair said:
I dont get this, Schon has been doing all sorts of cues these days, Special this and that cues, But they wont do what everyone has been waiting and wanting,,, Sharp pointed cue, Hello Evan Clark is there anyone home !!!!
I guess he and Schon are very happy being a production cue
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The ol' "Sharp Points" gripe again. As new as vanilla ice cream and sliced white bread. ...If you ask for a custom built sharp point you'll get it. If everyone asking for it would just...well...ask him for it, you'd get a price and you'd get it. It's not some elusive enigma. If you got the money you can get anything you want. But until then...

If the rounded points didn't sell...well you'd have a point (pun intended on many levels). But, to be blunt (less obvious, but pun intended), they sell. In fact, all the special this and that cues sell. Even with the rounded points. Would there be more of a market if the points were sharp? Probably. I think you are correct in that people would rather see sharp points. But - we're not talking a line of cues....it's 7 of these, 12 of those, 7 more of that one... They sell. They do well. And the people that buy them (myself included) are completely and totally satisfied with them. I sold off all my cues and just kept a 5 for my personal collection. Two are junkers with more sentimental value than monetary. The third is my Gilbert. Fourth is my break cue. And the last is my Schon Balabushka tribute. With the rounded points. I love the cue. it catches an eye where ever it goes. It plays like a sincere gem. I think maybe three dozen people have seen it. Not once has any commented on the rounded points in any negative fashion. In fact they marvel at the way the wood veneers catch the light. I got more offers to buy that from me than any other cue I have ever owned...and I have owned a lot. ...So, I'm okay with the rounded points. if I want sharp points there are literally dozens of builders out there that can make it. And dozens of Schon models out there with sharp points in the aftermarket. So...they are out there if people gotta have em.

If anything - the rounded points are a sincere genius marketing ploy. Because these cues get so much attention due to their rounded points...well...you can't buy that kind of advertising. And the cues become so high profile in a market just over-saturated with special editions that they literally sell based on all the jabber. Eventually someone who doesn't care about the rounded points will see all the chatter about the cue and buy it. Do that ten times and supply just exceeded demand. lol So....rounded points - though not popular - seem to help generate sales and press for the cues. Evan and Dean- you're evil geniuses working a diabolical plan to sell us rounded point cues! And it's working!

Please don't take it personally. I agree with you to the extent that I too like sharp points. And I know you probably made the post half tongue-in-cheek. But remember, Evan has no reason to make them. Everything he has done in conjunction with Dean has sold. ...Even with the rounded points. So...everyone may be asking for sharp points...but so far the buying public has not had a problem with the rounded points. In fact, if I were Evan I would stick with the rounded points. Heck...they're selling. Whatever he's doing is working. Between Dean and Evan all of their projects have been a success on every level. I'm sure there's a few builders out there who would love to have the problem of making cues that everyone keeps gobbling up.

My .02

Rounded points - If you make 'em they will buy 'em - again. :thumbup:
 
i dont see why he cant do this with all their cues though.. seems odd they did it for one model (two different colors) and that was it..

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Hand spliced points

ChrisOnline said:
i dont see why he cant do this with all their cues though.. seems odd they did it for one model (two different colors) and that was it..

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I have owned maybe 10 Schon cues,so I am no expert.I have had from the STL-1 to a Unique 1 of 1.I have had 2 of these SP cues with hand cut points.I had the red veneer and the blue/silver veneer.they play GREAT. I don't think it is due to the points,but due to the Ebony nose.Dean and Evan Clarke know what they are doing.They are both successful in business .I prefer the look of sharp points,but I already bought the Bushka tribute and it was beautiful.You just can't go wrong with Dean,or a Schon that is VERY limited.Just my 2 cents.
Marc
 
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