just cheating???

maybe a little harsh of me to criticize the guy without knowing him, but that aside, shouldn't somebody notice this? seeing as it's the closest thing we have to televised pool? how can anybody else possibly care about our sport when shit like this is happening on our live streams?
 
if you watch oscars eyes, he appears to be watching pretty closely. if the cue ball is what hit the ten, why didn't he call him on it???
 
jdxprs said:
if you watch oscars eyes, he appears to be watching pretty closely. if the cue ball is what hit the ten, why didn't he call him on it???
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you cant see oscar when ryan actually shoots the shot. anyway, pretty obvious to the naked eye from our vantage point what really happens. maybe oscar, or even ryan couldnt tell, but the commentators could and probably every viewer. just looks bad in a major tournament when the only person to notice is me and alvin.
 
wow.
I just literally watched this particular match a few hours ago and was wondering "Wft happened there? Why didn't anybody catch that?"

Anyway, i'm not so sure that by not calling a foul on yourself qualifies as cheating.
 
highkarate said:
you cant see oscar when ryan actually shoots the shot. anyway, pretty obvious to the naked eye from our vantage point what really happens. maybe oscar, or even ryan couldnt tell, but the commentators could and probably every viewer. just looks bad in a major tournament when the only person to notice is me and alvin.
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Obviously Oscar thought it (the 10 ball was hit by Ryan"s stick, not the cue
ball) or he (Oscar) would have been taking the next shot.
I love arm chair refs that come on the forum and accuse people of cheating when the person right there watching (that being Oscar) didn't. (of coarse you didn't actually say the word (cheat) you only implied it, is that why you feel this is alright to do?


I like the original post also which says:
I not trying to BERATE the guy, but from what I've Heard (not what you've actually seen) My friends SAY (have they actually seen, either) that this is basically typical of the guy.

Well I so glad that you're not trying to berate the guy, hate to see what you'd say if you were!
What I actually see is Oscar not calling a foul, and what I hear is hearsay, not enough to call someone a cheat, (or imply it) sorry.
So this begs the question have you personally had a problem with Ryan? The reason that question comes to mind is
why else would you come on the forum like this, with just hearsay. When the person right there watching (his opponent) let it go. I personally can't see from the video that it was the cue ball hitting the ten, not his stick.
You must have better vision than me or are you letting what "you're friends say" influence the actual circumstances?
 
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itsfroze said:
Obviously Oscar thought it (the 10 ball was hit by Ryan"s stick, not the cue
ball) or he (Oscar) would have been taking the next shot.
I love arm chair refs that come on the forum and accuse people of cheating when the person right there watching (that being Oscar) didn't. (of coarse you didn't actually say the word (cheat) you only implied it, is that why you feel this is alright to do?


I like the original post also which says:
I not trying to BERATE the guy, but from what I've Heard (not what you've actually seen) My friends SAY (have they actually seen, either) that this is basically typical of the guy.

Well I so glad that you're not trying to berate the guy, hate to see what you'd say if you were!
What I actually see is Oscar not calling a foul, and what I hear is hearsay, not enough to call someone a cheat, (or imply it) sorry.
So this begs the question have you personally had a problem with Ryan? The reason that question comes to mind is
why else would you come on the forum like this, with just hearsay. When the person right there watching (his opponent) let it go. I personally can't see from the video that it was the cue ball hitting the ten, not his stick.
You must have better vision than me or are you letting what "you're friends say" influence the actual circumstances?
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if phil mickelson takes his ball out of the rough and puts it on the fairway is it cheating? even if only the people watching on tv see it? maybe not, but it compromises the integrity of the sport. youre right about me including my second-hand information about McCreesh, though. it was unnecessary and unfair. i apologize for that, and i hope it doesnt undermine the true purpose of my post
 
What was the true purpose of your post? Are you saying that you can

plainly see that it was the cue ball hitting the 10 ball and not his cue stick?

I can not see that plainly, certainly not plainly enough to come on the forum

and call or imply that someones a cheat, sorry. So what was your purpose?
 
jdxprs said:
if you watch oscars eyes, he appears to be watching pretty closely. if the cue ball is what hit the ten, why didn't he call him on it???
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I've watched the shot over and over and over...
the cue ball DEFINITELY caused the ten ball movement there.

The thing is Oscar looked very uncomfortable the entire match and actually looks like he didn't even care enough to contest it.
 
seven_7days said:
wow.
I just literally watched this particular match a few hours ago and was wondering "Wft happened there? Why didn't anybody catch that?"

Anyway, i'm not so sure that by not calling a foul on yourself qualifies as cheating.
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if pool shal ever be recognized as something as a sport, the players have to behave like sportsmen.

this includes calling a foul on yourself, its just fair sportsmanchip.

i dont care if its just for the fun, league match, tournament or whatever, i call fouls on myself when my opponents dont see it.

thats how one SHOULD behave. but i guess in every aspect of life people are getting more and more concerned about their ego then fairplay.

my 2 cents

im gonna shoot some pool now :smile:
 
bender_lu said:
if pool shal ever be recognized as something as a sport, the players have to behave like sportsmen.

this includes calling a foul on yourself, its just fair sportsmanchip.

i dont care if its just for the fun, league match, tournament or whatever, i call fouls on myself when my opponents dont see it.

thats how one SHOULD behave. but i guess in every aspect of life people are getting more and more concerned about their ego then fairplay.

my 2 cents

im gonna shoot some pool now :smile:
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Just wondering are you saying Ryan fouled or just making a general statement that if someone fouls they should call it on themselves?
 
I know Ryan and Oscar both post on here all I will say is Oscar is a first class person and has tons of integrity............
 
seven_7days said:
I've watched the shot over and over and over...
the cue ball DEFINITELY caused the ten ball movement there.

The thing is Oscar looked very uncomfortable the entire match and actually looks like he didn't even care enough to contest it.
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I agree with you.I don't think Oscar wanted to cause waves with this guy
cause hit was clearly a foul.Ryans stick is in a downward motion,you could
tell right away the cueball hit the top of the ball,his stick wasn't even near it.
 
It sure looks like a foul from that vantage. You can see that Oscar did say something to Ryan, but if he denied it Oscar knows it goes to the shooter and sometimes it's better to not argue.
 
For what it's worth, pay particular attention to Ocar's demeanor in the chair just seconds before Mcreesh shoots the shot. Look at his eyes,he doesn't even seem interested and keeps looking away from what's about to happen.

My guess is he wasn't even "looking" for the foul and therefore didn't notice it. Hell, he was probably looking the waitresses.
 
itsfroze said:
What was the true purpose of your post? Are you saying that you can

plainly see that it was the cue ball hitting the 10 ball and not his cue stick?

I can not see that plainly, certainly not plainly enough to come on the forum

and call or imply that someones a cheat, sorry. So what was your purpose?
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i honestly thought it was a pretty clear foul. purpose of this thread being that the fact this kind of thing gets passed over, especially on a live stream/archived match which many people will view over time is sad not just because of the specific circumstances of the match but just for pool in general. didn't intend to get into a philosophical debate over what constitutes a foul i thought it was pretty plain in this case. i again, i erred in calling out ryan mccreesh as a cheat, that was not my intention. i just wanted to call attention to the fact that even in a major event, there are things like this going on that diminish our sport.
 
itsfroze said:
Just wondering are you saying Ryan fouled
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for me, with normal rules, this was a foul. another ball than the 1 ball was touched=> its a foul. i dont know if they played a different set of rules, so i excuse in this case :)

itsfroze said:
or just making a general statement that if someone fouls they should call it on themselves?
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exactly. this is what i consider good behaviour in a sport, thats how i act and thats how i want every serious player to act. :)
 
highkarate said:
i'm not trying to berate the guy, but cmon man. i like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but from what i've heard from my friends in upstate new york, this is basically typical of this guy. great player and best of luck to him in the future, but how can you not notice this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqj-9E5icCc&feature=g-all-u

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When in the match does this occur? Ok I just watched enough to see the shot. Sure looks like he hit it with the cue ball but who knows. It would seem there would have been some discussion either way. He just moved on like nothing happened.
 
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