choosing between a JOSS, Schon or Pechauer

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Jason Carandang

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I'm really having difficulty choosing my next cue. I use to shoot with a Falcon designed by Don Broos here in Canada, but that cue got stolen about 2 years ago.

for the past year, I've been shooting with a Pechauer that I borrowed from a friend.

It's time to buy my own cue, but I'm choosing between JOSS, Pechauer and Schon.

Any suggestions?
 
Jason Carandang said:
I'm really having difficulty choosing my next cue. I use to shoot with a Falcon designed by Don Broos here in Canada, but that cue got stolen about 2 years ago.

for the past year, I've been shooting with a Pechauer that I borrowed from a friend.

It's time to buy my own cue, but I'm choosing between JOSS, Pechauer and Schon.

Any suggestions?
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Meucci...or-----any cue with a Tiger-Ultra X shaft.


I like a Joss or Schon for straight pool, but nine ball and eight ball I like Meucci. I like my Tiger-Ultra shaft with two tips on it. I glued a Brunswick Blue Diamond tip on my shaft with half of the original tip still there. Tip on a tip. You can say I use a layered tip.:smile:

Some people say I double hit the cue ball.:grin:
 
pechauer's have a funny joint thread, would be a little harder to find a spare shaft, whereas the 5/16x14 joint pins on the schon and joss cues are far more common.
 
Jason Carandang said:
It's time to buy my own cue, but I'm choosing between JOSS, Pechauer and Schon.

Any suggestions?
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May one ask what motive(s) made you narrow down your choice to these three?

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti
 
DrOnePocket said:
Better hit, better quality, better resale, what else do you need?
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I agree with the better resale. Hit is very subjective.Pechauers have a pin all their own and you can only buy a spare regular shaft from them.
I think all in all you can't go wrong with a Schon.
 
measureman said:
I agree with the better resale. Hit is very subjective.Pechauers have a pin all their own and you can only buy a spare regular shaft from them.
I think all in all you can't go wrong with a Schon.
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i'd say go with a joss. they play as well as schons but they cost less. of course i'm a sucker for the designs of both schons and joss cues. imo pechauers are ugly and play odd.
 
Schon and JOSS both make beautiful cues.

You can get a sharp pointed genuine short splice JOSS for what you will pay for a standard mass produced Schon and as far as I can tell even prominent cue dealers with "pull" can't even get Schon to make a sharp pointed cue. JOSS always has been and is still a custom cue shop every bit or more than Schon is or ever has been. Hall of fame cue maker....heritage....value....real players that won serial championships and established legends....leading edge technology without ever even once having tried to blow a public horn over it....Scruggs came out of that shop....Stroud came out of that shop....hands down it's JOSS.

Trace the heritage. Janes was in touch with Balabushka and Spain in the early days. Mottey was in touch with Janes and Szam in his early days and credits them. Stroud went on from JOSS to create Josswest, and Scruggs went on to become a legend as well.

Even some one of the greatest case makers today, Steve Price, traces his experience to an early experience in the JOSS shop.

Of course, I am biased as I own four JOSS cues and have been shooting with one of them for almost thirty years and it literally paid for my first college degree. But I remember encountering Schon for the first time in the eighties and noting how much they were simply trying to be JOSS. They even made the similar dashed rings. I liken it to the Ferrari vs Lamorghini thing. Ferrari won all the championships while Lambo never even competed....yet the lambo was more expensive and fancier. Both are supercars...but who won the championships? Who has been around longer? Who was race-proven?

All of the makers you mentioned are great in fact. The above is just my observation and opinion about two that you mentioned. Buy what you like and shoot with it, a lot...maybe you will find a cue you will shoot with for thirty years.


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Chopdoc said:
Schon and JOSS both make beautiful cues.

You can get a sharp pointed genuine short splice JOSS for what you will pay for a standard mass produced Schon and as far as I can tell even prominent cue dealers with "pull" can't even get Schon to make a sharp pointed cue. JOSS always has been and is still a custom cue shop every bit or more than Schon is or ever has been. Hall of fame cue maker....heritage....value....real players that won serial championships and established legends....leading edge technology without ever even once having tried to blow a public horn over it....Scruggs came out of that shop....Stroud came out of that shop....hands down it's JOSS.

Trace the heritage. Janes was in touch with Balabushka and Spain in the early days. Mottey was in touch with Janes and Szam in his early days and credits them. Stroud went on from JOSS to create Josswest, and Scruggs went on to become a legend as well.

Even some one of the greatest case makers today, Steve Price, traces his experience to an early experience in the JOSS shop.

Of course, I am biased as I own four JOSS cues and have been shooting with one of them for almost thirty years and it literally paid for my first college degree. But I remember encountering Schon for the first time in the eighties and noting how much they were simply trying to be JOSS. They even made the similar dashed rings. I liken it to the Ferrari vs Lamorghini thing. Ferrari won all the championships while Lambo never even competed....yet the lambo was more expensive and fancier. Both are supercars...but who won the championships? Who has been around longer? Who was race-proven?

All of the makers you mentioned are great in fact. The above is just my observation and opinion about two that you mentioned. Buy what you like and shoot with it, a lot...maybe you will find a cue you will shoot with for thirty years.


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I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I think i detect a bit of bias towards Joss cues. Could be wrong :grin:
 
measureman said:
I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I think i detect a bit of bias towards Joss cues. Could be wrong :grin:
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Just a little. :grin:


In the end any of these cues can actually perform better than most of the people who own them anyway. I have always said that my cue was better than me......


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Ya know, I had this same problem when I decided to make an investment into my first nice pool cue because I was starting to take pool more seriously. I narrowed it down to Joss, Pechauer and Schon just as you did. I even posted asking about it etc... No matter which one you go with, you can bet you will have a good quality cue but as I did research I found that none of them got more votes from people than the others. People had great things and bad things to say about each of the cues. I finally decided (after reading up on all of these cue makers for weeks) to make a decision and I got the Pechauer JP19-L
(http://www.cheapcues.com/Pechauer_Pool_Cues_JP19-L.asp)

Its not the most expensive Pechauer and its not the cheapest. I will admit that I also LOVED the way it looked. Its a sharp cue. I got it, took it out and fell in love with it. I immediately went out to the pool hall to shoot with it and I couldn't wait. I will admit that I was extremely nervous after ordering it and making my decision wondering if I had made a bad decision. Should I have done more research and got more opinions? However, all of that went away when I shot with it. The thing hits and plays like a dream. Got three offers from people to buy or trade for it before I left the pool hall that night too.

After that, I got much more involved with pool and since then I have tried Joss AND Schon. I can honestly say that I was absolutely happy with my purchase even after shooting with both of the other cue makers. You are probably wanting to know why I like it better. For me, I like a very stiff hitting cue. The Pechauer is going to be (in my opinion) one of the stiffest hitting cues out of the box. The Schon hits pretty stiff as well. The thing is that even though the Pechauer hits stiff, it still feels wonderful.

People are always saying you can't find any shafts for it because of its unique joint thread but thats not true. I found many sites that have Predator 314 and z shafts for it and OB shafts are pretty easy to find as well. I just haven't had any issues finding anything for it. I decided not to go with a 314 shaft because the shaft that comes with it works just fine for me.

I don't consider myself to be biased toward Pechauer because I did take the time to shoot with the other cues but when comparing them to my cue it just felt to me as if they didn't compare because its not what I was looking for in a cue. When it comes down to it, its going to be personal preference. My best advice is to take an opportunity to shoot with a cue from each of those cue makers. If that is not something you are able to do then I would just take the information that you get from people on how these cues perform and take what it is that you are looking for in a cue and choose the one that best fits your expectations. That would be the best advice that I can give you. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
 
el_h3fe said:
Ya know, I had this same problem when I decided to make an investment into my first nice pool cue because I was starting to take pool more seriously. I narrowed it down to Joss, Pechauer and Schon just as you did. I even posted asking about it etc... No matter which one you go with, you can bet you will have a good quality cue but as I did research I found that none of them got more votes from people than the others. People had great things and bad things to say about each of the cues. I finally decided (after reading up on all of these cue makers for weeks) to make a decision and I got the Pechauer JP19-L
(http://www.cheapcues.com/Pechauer_Pool_Cues_JP19-L.asp)

Its not the most expensive Pechauer and its not the cheapest. I will admit that I also LOVED the way it looked. Its a sharp cue. I got it, took it out and fell in love with it. I immediately went out to the pool hall to shoot with it and I couldn't wait. I will admit that I was extremely nervous after ordering it and making my decision wondering if I had made a bad decision. Should I have done more research and got more opinions? However, all of that went away when I shot with it. The thing hits and plays like a dream. Got three offers from people to buy or trade for it before I left the pool hall that night too.

After that, I got much more involved with pool and since then I have tried Joss AND Schon. I can honestly say that I was absolutely happy with my purchase even after shooting with both of the other cue makers. You are probably wanting to know why I like it better. For me, I like a very stiff hitting cue. The Pechauer is going to be (in my opinion) one of the stiffest hitting cues out of the box. The Schon hits pretty stiff as well. The thing is that even though the Pechauer hits stiff, it still feels wonderful.

People are always saying you can't find any shafts for it because of its unique joint thread but thats not true. I found many sites that have Predator 314 and z shafts for it and OB shafts are pretty easy to find as well. I just haven't had any issues finding anything for it. I decided not to go with a 314 shaft because the shaft that comes with it works just fine for me.

I don't consider myself to be biased toward Pechauer because I did take the time to shoot with the other cues but when comparing them to my cue it just felt to me as if they didn't compare because its not what I was looking for in a cue. When it comes down to it, its going to be personal preference. My best advice is to take an opportunity to shoot with a cue from each of those cue makers. If that is not something you are able to do then I would just take the information that you get from people on how these cues perform and take what it is that you are looking for in a cue and choose the one that best fits your expectations. That would be the best advice that I can give you. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
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i really don't like the way J pechauers look. seems they just change the wood and use the same inlay designs on their different cues.

good on you for using the regular shaft though. the 314's change the balance too much and honestly since you can only get the -2 314's you're way better off just using the regular shaft.
 
all three are quality playing cues. Personally I'd find a older joss or schon over a newer one, but that is because I like the shafts much better on the joss cues. And schons can be had used for less than new ones.

If I was buying new, I'd probably buy a stl-9 schon, because I like how that cue looks. Or a stl-1.
 
I play with a joss hustler cue.it shoots awsome.and I just recently bought a ob classic shaft for it and now it shoots very deadly smooth and precise...I have a schon aswell withthe ivory ferrule and also a 314_2. I like the way the shaft with the ivory ferrule shoots. It's a clean hit..so I would honestly choose both.but the pechaur shoot good but feel funny...
 
Heres the deal on the shafts. If you want to buy a cheap regular shaft just for a back up you can get them to fit Joss or Schon for $50 or so on e-bay. Not so with Pechauer because of the pin they use. A regular Pechauer shaft will cost $135 or so.
 
I had a similar dilema, and finally went with this beauty:

http://www.cheapcues.com/Pechauer_Pool_Cues_P06.asp

The finish and quality is amazing! Someone else covered it, but even though they use a proprietary joint, it is still easy to find shafts for it. I got a 314-2 shaft for it with no problems whatsoever. With that being said, I cannot comment on the quality and hit of their in-house shaft. They stand behind it though as it is covered by a lifetime warranty. Honestly, you cannot go wrong with those 3 manufacturers.
 
I bought a Ob shaft off Ebay the guy said it would fit a Schon or a Pechauer. It does, it fits either.
 
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