Smoking Poll

[JoeyA]

I am a smoker but I do not mind going outside to smoke at all, I do the same thing at home. However, I do not think anyone has the right to tell me that I cant do as I choose with my hard earned dollars. If I want to smoke away from other people or in desinated areas that is my choice not yours. For those of you that think smoking should be outlawed, I propose we do the same with alcohol, we know it is bad for your health, just like smoking it kills those who choose not to partake in the habit, it stinks, it too is a particulate that gets on your clothes and other personal effects, it gives you bad breath, and above all else unlike smoking it can make those who indulge in the habit an asshole.

Most smokers seem to say as you do, that they don't mind smoking outside of the tournament building.

It's the same thing with texting, drinking, drugging etc. Society makes laws to limit the abusers from causing unnecessary damage to the rest of the people just caught in the line of fire.

On alcohol, I agree that with some people, it turns them into babbling buffoons, others into mean-spirited idiots and others simply fun-loving people but their alcohol doesn't get on my clothes or in my hair etc or at least it doesn't have the permeation that smoke does. Alcohol doesn't turn everyone into a babbling buffoon, or a mean-spirited idiot or the room clown. Responsible drinking is cool, imo. Responsible smoking is cool too. The only problem is that responsible smoking should most always be done outdoors or in designated buildings.

I don't think that when someone else drinks alcohol that I am somehow killing my own brain cells during their process.

And I also think you are right in that no one likes to be told what to do and this is probably the real problem.

Most smokers don't seem to mind going outside to smoke but won't go outside to smoke until their own eyes are irritated or they just can't take the smoke in general themselves or unless they are told to.

Smoking is a deterrent to good pool and good relations.

Smoking is stinky and nasty. Smoking is an irritant to those around it. Smoking is a health hazard for the smokers and for anyone that happens to be around those who smoke. Smoking kills people.

There is no justification I can think of for smoking indoors and creating pollutants that are injuring and killing your associates, your friends, your children and your spouse..

 

[Cdryden]

BANNED is awfully strong. I don't want smoking inside the building, but I don't like forcing people to do what I want. That's a little pushy for me.

Good answer. This is pretty much how I feel.

I used to smoke for 14 years. I quit 10 years ago this Sept. I would prefer not to smell like smoke but I support peoples right to smoke in a bar. Recently this issue was voted on in my home town to ban smoking in a business's. I voted against it, it passed.

But I do enjoy not smelling like smoke when I go home from the pool hall. Now if only I could get rid of that beer smell ..........on my breath! :grin-square:

 

[bdorman]

The decision is up to the owner/sponsor/director of the tournament.

I don't have a dog in this race since I decided not to enter any tournaments until I can run 5 balls :grin:

As an ex-smoker (3 years) I only ask that smokers blow the smoke generally in my direction. Not right in my face, but close enough that I can get a good whiff.

 

[mhilton777]

I am a heavy smoker (2-3 packs a day) and have been for about 18 years. I actually enjoy the fact that I have to go outside to smoke when I am at the local pool rooms and bars. I tend to smoke less then because I am actually playing pool!! I have never smoked in my home and my wife is a non-smoker, so it works at home as well.

With that being said, I do not agree with the government telling people what they can or cannot do in regards to smoking, drinking responsibly, the size of the pop that they to order, what food they want to eat, etc.

 

[Neil]

If you drove a car or rode in a vehicle to get to the tournament, don't ***** to me about your health being affected by a little second-hand smoke. Car exhaust is much worse for you.

 

[crabbcatjohn]

carpool

If you drove a car or rode in a vehicle to get to the tournament, don't ***** to me about your health being affected by a little second-hand smoke. Car exhaust is much worse for you.

How about if you drove 6 hours with 5 smokers in the car with you and they refused to roll the windows down because its too cold out side. Thats what its like in the poolroom where i play...

 

[supergreenman]

It should be up to the owner of any establishment to decide on smoking. Not you or the goverment, you have no right to demand that. If the owner decides to allow smoking and non smokers chose not to frequent the establishment, it will either hurt his business enough to where he makes changes or it won't. It should still be their decision.

And yes, if you don't like it go somewhere else. Who are you to tell a person who has worked and spent/invested tens of thousands or more dollars in their establishmen,t that it should be a non-smoking establishment? or a smoking establishment for that matter.

This is the typical response. Really I expected no less.

Who am I to tell someone who owns a business that they should be a non-smoking establishment?

Who the hell are you to say public safety is optional?


YES I absolutely have the right to insist that people do not pollute the air I breathe.

Smoking by-laws are no different from building codes. Even the most staunch libertarian would agree that building codes serve a useful purpose.

Building safety codes are there so you don't have to worry about the roof falling down on you while you're being electrocuted by faulty wiring.

No smoking legislation is the same thing. You don't have to like it.

It is, however, there for the common good.

 

[Txstang1]

This is the typical response. Really I expected no less.

Who am I to tell someone who owns a business that they should be a non-smoking establishment?

Who the hell are you to say public safety is optional?


YES I absolutely have the right to insist that people do not pollute the air I breathe.

Smoking by-laws are no different from building codes. Even the most staunch libertarian would agree that building codes serve a useful purpose.

Building safety codes are there so you don't have to worry about the roof falling down on you while you're being electrocuted by faulty wiring.

No smoking legislation is the same thing. You don't have to like it.

It is, however, there for the common good.

Typical self-intitlement attitude. I guess you drive a Prius too huh ? Since you dont wanna breathe any unhealthy air. WHat do you do if your standing next to an exhaust pipe of a car ? Me personally, I wouild move.

Sooooo, let me make sure I have this correct. I buy land, I build building, I buy tables, and all things needed to run this establishment and then you get to decide whether or not I can smoke in MY PLACE ?

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ?

 

[KCRack'em]

This never has been a smoker vs. non-smoker issue. It's a public health issue!
If you can't do something for the good of everyone, let's just do away with all laws and regulations. We don't really need the gov't doing its best make sure we have clean water, clean air, safe food, etc. Let people and business owners whatever the hell they want.

 

[crabbcatjohn]

we the people

Typical self-intitlement attitude. I guess you drive a Prius too huh ? Since you dont wanna breathe any unhealthy air. WHat do you do if your standing next to an exhaust pipe of a car ? Me personally, I wouild move.

Sooooo, let me make sure I have this correct. I buy land, I build building, I buy tables, and all things needed to run this establishment and then you get to decide whether or not I can smoke in MY PLACE ?

WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ?

If you plan on serving the public you are darn right. This is a democracy. Issues like smoking bans are voted on by the public. Then there is the pesky government issues we don't vote on..
Buy your land, tables and all things to run your establishment. But if you intend to make your buisness public you are also going to need those pesky permits and inspections... So they are going to tell you exactly what you do...and sorry if we the people want you to get fire inspections, building permits, health department inspections. Sorry, but we don't trust one person to decide whats safe for us.

 

[Atlatlien]

Banned, stopped, against the law, call it what you will. It is my humble opinion that smoking should be prohibited throughout the known world, the neighboring planets, and the upper side of lower Manhattan. It is a scourge on society. It is ruinacious to the health, causes bad breath, and stains the teeth. If it were up to me, cigarettes would cost fifteen dollars a pack.
Whew...I feel lots better, now. Thanks. :smile:

That's pretty much the case in NY and still people smoke. Why do you care if other people stain their teeth? Do you choose not to drink coffee or tea but still want them banned as well?

Live and let live. I'll go outside to smoke and if that's banned, then I choose the be a criminal.

 

[nobcitypool]

It's just common courtesy for smokers to go outside to smoke in any public setting.

Smokers, you do not have right to inflict the unpleasant, harmful effects of your habit on other people. I don't know why this is still an issue today.

Don't even try the argument of "If you don't like it go somewhere else", it doesn't fly. A pool hall (or any other place open to the public) is not a private club for smokers.

Matter of opinion. Mine is that it should be what the owner of the club decides it should be. If the owner of the club determines it is beneficial for his business to cater to smokers, he should be allowed to do so regardless if that includes the attitude "If you don't like it go somewhere else". I realize you live in the Socialist Republic of Canada but at one time, the United States attempted to allow people their Constitutional rights and freedom. I consider freedom to be where Owners have the right to determine what legal things are allowed on their property and what aren't. The reality is, it is the smoking Nazis and Socialist Liberal douche bags that have inflicted their will on private property and business owners.

To be clear, and fair, I agree with smoking being banned in Public Facilities such as libraries, schools, court houses, etc. as those are paid for by the taxpayers.

 

[Txstang1]

If you plan on serving the public you are darn right. This is a democracy. Issues like smoking bans are voted on by the public. Then there is the pesky government issues we don't vote on..
Buy your land, tables and all things to run your establishment. But if you intend to make your buisness public you are also going to need those pesky permits and inspections... So they are going to tell you exactly what you do...and sorry if we the people want you to get fire inspections, building permits, health department inspections. Sorry, but we don't trust one person to decide whats safe for us.

Or you can simply choose a different place to spend your money. In a place that suits your liking. Not come in and demand changes because you want to go in there but dont like the smoking. It's about freedom of choice. If people want to breathe unhealthy air it's their choice, not your right to demand a non-smoking enviorment because you want to go there and play pool. Go somewhere else ! Simply as that.

If someone made you go in (IE a gun to your head), I could understand your demands.

 

[Buckzapper]

Banned, stopped, against the law, call it what you will. It is my humble opinion that smoking should be prohibited throughout the known world, the neighboring planets, and the upper side of lower Manhattan. It is a scourge on society. It is ruinacious to the health, causes bad breath, and stains the teeth. If it were up to me, cigarettes would cost fifteen dollars a pack.
Whew...I feel lots better, now. Thanks. :smile:

Typical response from the under 30 crowd. Tobacco brainwashing begins in elementary school. Those that want smoking banned will sit by a campfire for hours and breathe the smoke that contains 40 times the amount of carcinogens as tobacco smoke.
The poll is loaded with 3 anti choices and 2 pro options.
This debate is not new and I can tell you the poll results 3 days before they come in.
Those that believe they are on to something new here, would be easy to outfox in a 9 ball game or a little one-pocket.

 

[scsuxci]

numbers 2 and 3 are sort of the same thing but reversed but I still
took 3.I don't like it inside cause with the sport of pool in decline
it would be much better promoted with clean air,specially with the
amount of kids that might be there as spectators as well.

 

[scsuxci]

Typical response from the under 30 crowd. Tobacco brainwashing begins in elementary school. Those that want smoking banned will sit by a campfire for hours and breathe the smoke that contains 40 times the amount of carcinogens as tobacco smoke.
The poll is loaded with 3 anti choices and 2 pro options.
This debate is not new and I can tell you the poll results 3 days before they come in.
Those that believe they are on to something new here, would be easy to outfox in a 9 ball game or a little one-pocket.

A campfire is not in an enclosed area and if it is,it means the building is
burning down.Smoke from a campfire is rising as the smoke from your
cigarette is going directly down the hatch.I smoke but can be realistic
enough to know that comparing Smoking to Campfires is not even
debatable imo.

 

[Lonestar_jim]

Smoking bans

Someone said that in this democracy the smoking bans are the result of a vote ? Not around here, sorry. Your councilperson may vote as your rep., but that is about it.

Someone said smoking clubs...these are few and far between where alcohol is served in the city of Dallas. Maybe strip clubs ?

In the next 20 years tobacco will probably be a prescription and kids will be allowed to go out and smoke pot at recess. What's recess ?

Oh yes and that alcohol that folks drink doesn't affect your health, unless they go out and get behind the wheel. That is a very measurable statistic, sadly enough. I guess I would rather walk past the smokers on the porch than get killed by a drunk driver.

Good luck with your poll Joey.

 

[LHP5]

Actually, the real statistic is that just about 15% of all people who smoke exhibit any forms of disease associated with it (i.e. cancer). It all depends on how your body is able to metabolize the carcinogens or other toxic chemicals that come into direct contact with your lungs. The negative adds on smoking are only partially true. But live and let live, let people do what they want.

 

[david(tx)]

How about jukeboxes , should they be banned ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise


Noise health effects are the health consequences of elevated sound levels. Elevated workplace or other noise can cause hearing impairment, hypertension, ischemic heart disease, annoyance and sleep disturbance. Changes in the immune system and birth defects have been attributed to noise exposure.[1]

Although some presbycusis may occur naturally with age,[2] in many developed nations the cumulative impact of noise is sufficient to impair the hearing of a large fraction of the population over the course of a lifetime.[3][4] Noise exposure has also been known to induce tinnitus, hypertension, vasoconstriction and other cardiovascular impacts.[5]

Beyond these effects, elevated noise levels can create stress, increase workplace accident rates, and stimulate aggression and other anti-social behaviors.[6] The most significant causes are vehicle and aircraft noise, prolonged exposure to loud music, and industrial noise. Road traffic causes almost 80% of the noise annoyances in Norway.[7]

 

[iusedtoberich]

I want smoking banned in the whole freaking world in public places