WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

[naji]

Mr. Naji,

What magic bullet did you find?

Best Regards,

Hi English, it is really many magic bullets all interconnected together, and will only have to show you to convince you. Sorry. About a year or so ago I have said i will issue an instructional DVD, but i was not convinced of what i know then is accurate or make sense, for the last year i made the pool hall a life ammunition training ground, loosing a little money for testing shots live with money on line during game play to prove a point or two i pick up at my home table practice. Finally i am very close and much more consistent than before . Stay tuned.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Finally i am very close and much more consistent than before . Stay tuned.

Good luck to you, Mr. Naji.

Regards,

 

[naji]

By better cue ball control, I was referring to placing it right where you want to, not just close. Such as not just getting behind a blocker when playing safe, but freezing the cb to the blocker to cut off returns from your opponent.

And, sorry, but from your previous posts, you are still far from "knowing it all". Several times you have mentioned that you have found the magic bullet, and all one has to do is ask you. Well, you have been asked a number of times, and have yet to divulge it. For what it's worth, I don't believe there is any one magic bullet to being consistent. But, rather, it is a combination of things one must do. Care to prove me wrong??

Neil, you are 100% correct, in pool there is no stopping in learning; and you are correct it is a combination of things once tied up together it makes lots of sense. I did not say what you said was wrong earlier, i stated what i think is right

 

[CJ Wiley]

Efren has shown more advanced shots in his matches than any other player in history.

Isn't your question to CJ the same thing I was asking you? And does Efren make house calls? One more question, please...is there anybody on this forum that doesn't want lessons from Efren? View attachment 248705

Best,
Mike

There's a language barrier with Efren, and he does teach by example on Accu-stats and You Tube. Why don't any of these other "teachers" that are so great post at least a you tube video? Are they self conscious that they can't show a 5 minute segment? At least show us how you make a bridge. "inquiring minds want to know" - then they can do something really advanced like the " pendulum stroke." :shrug:

And the answer to your question, Mike, is "Yes, everyone in their right mind would love a lesson with Efren" (and a translator). Efren has shown more advanced shots in his matches than any other player in history. 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[CJ Wiley]

Tied up together in what sense?

Neil, you are 100% correct, in pool there is no stopping in learning; and you are correct it is a combination of things once tied up together it makes lots of sense. I did not say what you said was wrong earlier, i stated what i think is right

Combination of what things? Tied up together in what sense? You said "it is really many magic bullets all interconnected together"....can you name the "magic bullets" and how they interconnect together?

 

[Lock N Load]

There's a language barrier with Efren, and he does teach by example on Accu-stats and You Tube. Why don't any of these other "teachers" that are so great post at least a you tube video? Are they self conscious that they can't show a 5 minute segment? At least show us how you make a bridge. "inquiring minds want to know" - then they can do something really advanced like the " pendulum stroke." :shrug:

And the answer to your question, Mike, is "Yes, everyone in their right mind would love a lesson with Efren" (and a translator). Efren has shown more advanced shots in his matches than any other player in history. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Hey CJ,
What you just said!
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Chrippa]

It was a you guy, Jim Chawki. He´s ranked 1 or 2 in Sweden today. God player of course. As many young guys he has a more of a snooker approach - real straight, aiming real good and rely a lot on this. Tom Storm lost to him in the Semi´s. A better player with far more knowledge but that as we all know isn´t everything. He is fun to see though - talk a lot, sharking.

Thanks for all your posts, I really appreciate it and I´m learning a lot.

Chrippa

Yeah, I ddn't see your post until after it was over. Who ended up winning the tournament?

 

[naji]

Combination of what things? Tied up together in what sense? You said "it is really many magic bullets all interconnected together"....can you name the "magic bullets" and how they interconnect together?

Thanks CJ for inquiring. As you and many other good shooters know, pool skill develops in time and not over night. For years many players tell you i shoot good today and was terrible the next day of which is called lack of consistency; when at practice they shoot like God, when in money match or tournament they flunk, this and many other issues was on my mind for last few years with main title "why do we miss" not because just thinking about it, but actually happening to me. Finally i am very close to being consistent as far as pocketing balls, positioning is also close, ball selection and pattern much better.

I have more than 300 pages of scrap paper that i documented a day by day results at home and at pool hall, as well as changes made, and where i went wrong. Finally the last few pages started to look very close an indication of something right i am doing.

It is magic bullets, not just one, kind of like science research, do experiments, record findings, test, try in the field it works great, it does not back to drawing board.

 

[Mikjary]

Mike, many have already tried to get lessons from Efren, he laughs, usually says he can't do that, and then directs them to his "instructor".

You sound like you are looking for that "magic bullet" that will propel you to the next level. Which for you, would be pro, from my understanding of your play. Have you ever considered the fact that with your current ability, you know enough now to go pro? The thing holding you back, and I say this without even seeing you play, is not your ability to do pretty much what ever you intend to on the table, but your inability to sustain it for longer periods of time.

In your other thread, you hit on one of those things, sheer laziness. Something we all suffer from at at times. Believe it or not, that is the main thing. After that, it's keeping your head straight. Again, that's where the laziness comes in. You have head your head straight plenty enough times to be able to do it. So have I. Problem is, we get going good, then get a little lackadaisical, and start to let sloppiness creep in. Eventually, it bites us. A little lazy or sloppy on making the shot, we miss. Same thing with position play, a little sloppy, and we are now out of line when there was no reason to get out of line to start with. We do the same things the pros do, just not as consistently. That's what the whole game is about, maintaining consistency.

Now, with that said, at the very top levels, the pros have much better cue ball control than most. I believe that's largely a part of how the subconscious works in each of us.

You want to be a top pro, good luck. You just want to get to the next level, and maybe the one after that, you already know what to do to get there. You just have to do it. It takes a lot of time, and hard work to break old habits.

Mike, with the above said, as long as you have been on here, I am assuming that you have availed yourself of all the knowledge that already is available from this site and it's associated links to related sites. If you haven't, then yes, a pro can probably show you something that you don't already know. But, then, that would go back to the lazy part of not utilizing what you already have access to.

You're right about the hard work. It does take quite an effort to break bad habits and to strengthen the good ones. Repetition alone isn't enough. You have to set a goal and figure out a way to achieve it.

I enjoy different perspectives and find they provide new insight to the common ways of looking at simple tasks on the table. I try to keep an open mind about fresh ideas and like to try new things. If they don't work, I'm just out the time invested. But at least I was concentrating on pool and added some more knowledge to my game.

Best,
Mike

 

[Neil]

Combination of what things? Tied up together in what sense? You said "it is really many magic bullets all interconnected together"....can you name the "magic bullets" and how they interconnect together?

LOL, yes, I can. And have done so many times on here. Unlike you, you can't seem to properly describe any of them. Half of what you think you are doing, you aren't even doing, and some of your explanations defy physics. You say you want video, there are videos out there from the top instructors, maybe you should watch a few of them. Or, you could just watch Jewett, or Stan Shuffet, or Landon Shuffett. You can't go making statements like you did trying to sound superior when the info you ask for is already out there and you just dont know it.

I've seen a number of top players (guys that can run ten racks in 9 ball, 200 in 14.1) try and teach others. It was an absolute disaster. Does that equate to "they have nothing to offer" like some of you are trying to imply that I am saying? No. Of course they can have something to offer. Especially if the student doesn't know much to start with. That is a far cry from actually teaching someone though.

I have watched a new student go to a very advanced player (200+ ball runner in his day, made a living playing pool) for lessons. This poor guy went several times a week for several months. The way he stroked, you would think he had never seen anyone play before. Guy didn't have a clue. You know what the lessons consisted of? Set up a shot and shoot it over until you make it. That's it! Several months later, the guy still couldn't make 2 balls in a row.

The same "instructor", I had to teach how to draw. He felt at his age, he couldn't draw a ball anymore. He didn't even know why or how a ball draws! He only knew that the cb should be hit low. In five minutes, I had him able to draw again. He thought he was hitting low, he wasn't, and didn't even know it.

I'm a firm believer in that if you don't know how or why things work the way they do, you aren't qualified to teach. You might be able to give some valid pointers, but that isn't "teaching", that's giving pointers. If you don't know how things work, you can't possibly be able to see what someone else's problem actually is, and then be able to correct it. While at times it may seem mystical, what happens on a pool table follows certain laws. There's nothing mystical about it. If you do "A", you get "A's" results. You get those results every single time.

Also, CJ, for some reason, just plain ignorance about it I guess, you seem want to constantly knock using the pendulum stroke. If you really think top players don't use it, then either you have no clue what it is, or you have no clue what others actually do. If you want to see a great example of it in action, go look at some of Judd Trumps videos. Then tell me it has no merit.

 

[Roger Long]

Why don't any of these other "teachers" that are so great post at least a you tube video? Are they self conscious that they can't show a 5 minute segment? At least show us how you make a bridge. "inquiring minds want to know" - then they can do something really advanced like the " pendulum stroke." :shrug:

Mine have been up there for quite a while. Eighty of them, to be exact.

Roger

 

[swest]

I'm a firm believer in that if you don't know how or why things work the way they do, you aren't qualified to teach. You might be able to give some valid pointers, but that isn't "teaching", that's giving pointers. If you don't know how things work, you can't possibly be able to see what someone else's problem actually is, and then be able to correct it. While at times it may seem mystical, what happens on a pool table follows certain laws. There's nothing mystical about it. If you do "A", you get "A's" results. You get those results every single time.

This paragraph is the heart of the 'great player' vs. 'good instructor' debate, and it will take more than clichés and derisive remarks to dismiss.

 

[Pay Up Sucker]

Neil can you please stop this relentless attack against CJ already? We all can read what you have been posting over and over again! let us decide whether we think CJ info is valuable. You look just like the guys that relentlessly attacked Stan Shuffett over and over! think about this.

 

[Neil]

Neil can you please stop this relentless attack against CJ already? We all can read what you have been posting over and over again! let us decide whether we think CJ info is valuable. You look just like the guys that relentlessly attacked Stan Shuffett over and over! think about this.

Just curious why you aren't asking CJ the same thing? I'm only presenting facts. He's presenting ignorant statements about teaching. I am only responding to what he says, so, if it seems relentless to you, maybe you should look at who is making the statements to start with, and say something to him.

 

[naji]

Neil can you please stop this relentless attack against CJ already? We all can read what you have been posting over and over again! let us decide whether we think CJ info is valuable. You look just like the guys that relentlessly attacked Stan Shuffett over and over! think about this.

Neil used a quote from CJ that was targeted to my post, it is possible he meant to attack me not CJ! i could be wrong.

 

[Neil]

Neil used a quote from CJ that was targeted to my post, it is possible he meant to attack me not CJ! i could be wrong.

I'm not "attacking" anyone. If you feel like you are being attacked, calm down and re-read what was written. If and when I do attack someone, there will be no doubt about it.

 

[DTL]

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[naji]

I'm not "attacking" anyone. If you feel like you are being attacked, calm down and re-read what was written. If and when I do attack someone, there will be no doubt about it.

Sorry Neil, you have used a quote from CJ that was targeted for my previous post about "magic bullet" deal. No harm done you the best.

 

[CJ Wiley]

getting your body into the same position

Thanks CJ for inquiring. As you and many other good shooters know, pool skill develops in time and not over night. For years many players tell you i shoot good today and was terrible the next day of which is called lack of consistency; when at practice they shoot like God, when in money match or tournament they flunk, this and many other issues was on my mind for last few years with main title "why do we miss" not because just thinking about it, but actually happening to me. Finally i am very close to being consistent as far as pocketing balls, positioning is also close, ball selection and pattern much better.

I have more than 300 pages of scrap paper that i documented a day by day results at home and at pool hall, as well as changes made, and where i went wrong. Finally the last few pages started to look very close an indication of something right i am doing.

It is magic bullets, not just one, kind of like science research, do experiments, record findings, test, try in the field it works great, it does not back to drawing board.

Do you feel like you're getting your body into the same position, relative to the shot more consistently now?

 

[CJ Wiley]

the most commonly disucussed topic

then they can do something really advanced like the " pendulum stroke." /QUOTE]

Doesn't Buddy Hall, Mike Sigel, Max Eberle, Efren Reyes and many other elite players use a pendulum stroke?

Many players use a "pendulum stoke." Others use a "piston stroke". What do you use? I was joking about it being "the most commonly disucussed topic," a few weeks ago. :smile: They had a great thread about the subject. :thumbup: