I believe you are an army of one. You have made your point, Renfro has responded, quite respectfully. Let it go. Everyone knows your opinion about the subject, it has been made abundantly clear.
Review of Renfro's Accu-Rack
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I believe you are an army of one. You have made your point, Renfro has responded, quite respectfully. Let it go. Everyone knows your opinion about the subject, it has been made abundantly clear.
DrOnePocket
Banned
I could care less what you think, it's really none of your business and if you wouldn't have responded, it wouldn't have shown up in my User CP now would it?
And you made it a point to talk about customer relations.... If this is part of how you operate, your qualifications are suspect.
And yes, I know something about sales, marketing, management and customer relations, too.... And I don't care what you think any more than you care what I think. Blather on, and cement your credentials.
DrOnePocket
Banned
I know you are just trying to cause trouble and i am ok with it. :wink:
You will grow up someday I am sure
Yeah, I sure will. I've recently learned that taking the high road here on AZB is fruitless, and I've lost my sense of humor. So take all of this for what its worth. (Here's a clue...its worth exactly what you paid for it, nothing. Just like what I paid for your opinion.)
You are the only one who believes that you are in the right with your level of complaint. I don't expect to change your mind, and I don't really give a damn if I do. Keep on replying, keep on making yourself look foolish, and indulge yourself at my expense. I can take it.
After all, that might make me "grow up", huh?
Renfro missed you private message somehow, and somehow he is going to try and take his product to market, despite missing your endorsement. I think he's gonna do just fine. Maybe I'll know better when I "grow up".
dang dub ! you used to not let anybody get under your skin.
now you see why i have not posted much lately.
DrOnePocket
Banned
I doubt it seriously! It's pretty clear what you are
Were the templates invented to help speedy players fleece suckers in "winner breaks" matches???? (-:
Racking..and INSPECTING racks given you is part of the game.
These things remind me of those golf tees that eliminated or significantly reduce hook/slice spin.
I suppose they would be less troublesome in alternate break matches but STILL the better player is going to have a HUGE advantage by making a ball nearly every time.
AND, the 1 and 9 are the only balls with a required position in the rack...SO...the player with a clue will always place a very high ball...like the 7 or 8 where it goes every time so it prevents those balls from blocking shots or shape on the lower balls.
Finally...one post suggested that the reason that varied size balls can still be made to rack tightly is because the grooves the balls sit into are sort of "channels" or "slots" so balls can be gently pushed toward each other.
Cool...but those same slots will steer the ball's departure from the template...at least to some extent...which likely explains why the same ball goes every time when the same ball does NOT go every time even when racked and inspected by professionals including world champions who are not blind and who can SEE when each ball is touching.
Maybe templates are fine to speed up league play or maybe even in pro matches that aren't winner breaks formats.
Just my personal opinion. No disprespect intended.
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Racking..and INSPECTING racks given you is part of the game.
These things remind me of those golf tees that eliminated or significantly reduce hook/slice spin.
I suppose they would be less troublesome in alternate break matches but STILL the better player is going to have a HUGE advantage by making a ball nearly every time.
AND, the 1 and 9 are the only balls with a required position in the rack...SO...the player with a clue will always place a very high ball...like the 7 or 8 where it goes every time so it prevents those balls from blocking shots or shape on the lower balls.
Finally...one post suggested that the reason that varied size balls can still be made to rack tightly is because the grooves the balls sit into are sort of "channels" or "slots" so balls can be gently pushed toward each other.
Cool...but those same slots will steer the ball's departure from the template...at least to some extent...which likely explains why the same ball goes every time when the same ball does NOT go every time even when racked and inspected by professionals including world champions who are not blind and who can SEE when each ball is touching.
Maybe templates are fine to speed up league play or maybe even in pro matches that aren't winner breaks formats.
Just my personal opinion. No disprespect intended.
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keep posting buddy
Every post you make puts that gorgeous picture back on my screen. Keep it up.
Shoot well and have fun.
Every post you make puts that gorgeous picture back on my screen. Keep it up.
Shoot well and have fun.
Actually, with a tight rack, such as using the Sardo Rack, or even a wooden one if you can get them all TIGHT, the wing ball will go almost every time if you know how to hit it correctly. The wing ball going isn't a function of the template, but of the rack being tight.
I'm pretty comfotable with "what I am". And I'm pretty sure its not what you think.
Carry on. Stomp your feet a little more. And continue to tell me "what I am."
The red rep was cute, too. I chuckled.
Oh, but don't you see, I've been told multiple times lately that being nice and kind, and trying to take a positive position on things just isn't the way it goes here.
I can play that game, too. The good Doctor wants some of me, he can have it.
To keep this remotely topic-related, thanks again for the opportunity, Renfro. Hopefully I'll get some more time with your product again soon.
DrOnePocket
Banned
What are you 10 years old? Jesus
At this point I'm going to attempt to right the ship and get back to valid comments concerning racking and templates...
I'll try and go chronologically by the review in the thread and see what I can do about addressing related posts as well....
We can start out with the appearance... Creedo, I laughed at the Nazca Art comment and the Racktopus..... I started to call them the Aracknids awhile back as a nickname =)
Accu-Rack is a company that makes battery racks for IT installations.. "The Accu-Rack System by Outsville" while similar is in no way an infringement... It's a mouthful but almost every word play on the rack has been played within this industry.... I appreciate being made aware of the name use and will look into the ramifications further...
The blue color is a done deal... I would have loved to have done them in different colors but that requires customization and would raise the price substantially.
I wanted to start from scratch in design. I didn't want to copy anyone's design work.. It's hard enough to protect your own designs... Doing a triangle or diamond offered nothing new.. The only benefit I even considered in those designs were that there was no material under the center of the rack so it was a bit easier to remove. Once I determined that removing the material might affect the way the balls broke I discounted the benefit... I'll discuss that in the next post in the thread when I talk about loading, leaning, touching and freezing....
So instead of looking at existing designs I looked at the contact patches on the table and the contact points in the rack for each ball and built from there... The idea was that if the templates were geometrically based then there would be some adjustment inherent in the designs that allowed different sizes of balls to be racked properly... The adjustment factor is the main reason for the Nazca art look... Function sometimes leads to form and in this instance that's a true statement.
The width of the arms have been tested and at smaller sizes they start to want to curl up and fight laying flat... Dr9Ball noted that he was having issues with the 8ball template he had trying to curl up... That's was an issue in some of the first sets I sent out.. The sheet protectors were only cut on one side so they tended to bunch and roll backwards in the tubes...
Both sides are cut now and the racks roll up as intended now...
While the added material width means more chances for interference you are still dealing with the rack area in general so a ball crossing the area is going to be at the templates mercy regardless of width if it's rolling slow enough... I think we have all seen a single human hair alter a balls roll.. No template is going to get around this occurrence....
One thing I want to say thanks to Rufus for was pointing out that his 8Ball template got torn... All future production runs will have the area where the laser cuts come to a single point radiused.. The polyester is pretty rugged so this should make them much harder to tear.....
That's enough of a wall of words for this round.....
Chris
I'll try and go chronologically by the review in the thread and see what I can do about addressing related posts as well....
We can start out with the appearance... Creedo, I laughed at the Nazca Art comment and the Racktopus..... I started to call them the Aracknids awhile back as a nickname =)
Accu-Rack is a company that makes battery racks for IT installations.. "The Accu-Rack System by Outsville" while similar is in no way an infringement... It's a mouthful but almost every word play on the rack has been played within this industry.... I appreciate being made aware of the name use and will look into the ramifications further...
The blue color is a done deal... I would have loved to have done them in different colors but that requires customization and would raise the price substantially.
I wanted to start from scratch in design. I didn't want to copy anyone's design work.. It's hard enough to protect your own designs... Doing a triangle or diamond offered nothing new.. The only benefit I even considered in those designs were that there was no material under the center of the rack so it was a bit easier to remove. Once I determined that removing the material might affect the way the balls broke I discounted the benefit... I'll discuss that in the next post in the thread when I talk about loading, leaning, touching and freezing....
So instead of looking at existing designs I looked at the contact patches on the table and the contact points in the rack for each ball and built from there... The idea was that if the templates were geometrically based then there would be some adjustment inherent in the designs that allowed different sizes of balls to be racked properly... The adjustment factor is the main reason for the Nazca art look... Function sometimes leads to form and in this instance that's a true statement.
The width of the arms have been tested and at smaller sizes they start to want to curl up and fight laying flat... Dr9Ball noted that he was having issues with the 8ball template he had trying to curl up... That's was an issue in some of the first sets I sent out.. The sheet protectors were only cut on one side so they tended to bunch and roll backwards in the tubes...
Both sides are cut now and the racks roll up as intended now...
While the added material width means more chances for interference you are still dealing with the rack area in general so a ball crossing the area is going to be at the templates mercy regardless of width if it's rolling slow enough... I think we have all seen a single human hair alter a balls roll.. No template is going to get around this occurrence....
One thing I want to say thanks to Rufus for was pointing out that his 8Ball template got torn... All future production runs will have the area where the laser cuts come to a single point radiused.. The polyester is pretty rugged so this should make them much harder to tear.....
That's enough of a wall of words for this round.....
Chris
Neil...with respect that is a generalization that doesn't hold up in the vast majority of cases..at least in my experience.
I've seen too many top pro matches and big money games...in person and on TV with racks being inspected INTENSIVELY and the same ball does NOT go every time. Often, if a ball is made on the break, it is kicked in.
That is precisely why many pros use the soft break on some table/rack combinations.
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Eagle,
You may want to watch the video Joe Tucker sent in the post below.... He talks about where the balls are supposed to go based on where and how they are broken. I would suggest possibly buying Joe's Racking secrets 1 and 2.... The balls go where physics and the gaps dictate. This is one of the reasons that the Open uses the break box... It's harder but not impossible to make the wing from the box like clockwork....
"The Accu-Rack System" templates are made to take care of the gap issues in short order... The material was chosen to create the same friction and ball path as professional quality cloth.... It's all about a consistent rack with no funny business... Nothing like getting slugged in a match after you have gotten off to a good start...
I just got my sets in and I like it a lot. It takes a little getting used to but the template works perfectly well on any cloth with new and old ball sets.
I have the Magic Rack but I'm using the Accu-Rack instead. It's visually easier to align to get a straight rack and it's not as predictably wired as a Magic Rack. It definitely should be removed after the break because it wil divert a slow rolling ball just as a Magic Rack will.
Excellent point about the break box. Your device PLUS setting up in the break box would probably be ideal.
In another thead a while back, AtLarge posted the "ball on break" stats for all 37 2012 U.S Open matches streamed by Accu-Stats.
Results were BOBs were made 62% of the time. Given that the players were all very speedy then amateurs under the same conditions would have had a much lower BOB percentage.
What I've read about your device, BOBs are made (from the normal spot) a vastly larger percentage of the time...including amateurs. TO ME....just one man's opinion...that just rigs the game vastly in favor on the higher speed player in a winner breaks format.
I think it was Shannon who was known for giving ANY LEGAL SHOT (after the break) weight to bangers in a winner breaks format and shot their nuts off even with a much lower BOB percentage than results from your device.
To again use a golf analogy (a game that relies on the same physics as any other game) there are (illegal) tees that reduce or eliminate hooks and slices
and balls that go a mile...and driver faces with a TON of "rebound"...also illegal as well they should be.
To ME....and just ME...nearly invisible racking imperfections are part of the game. Racking is a skill and READING racks is a skill.
NOBODY with any racking knowledge (and Joe's videos are EXCELLENT) gets "slugged" and those without the knowledge deserve to get slugged.
But again....GENUINE CONGRATULATIONS for inventing what appears to be an outstanding product (does what it is supposed to do).
And if it were used from the break box...or maybe even for league play and/or alternate break formats, I'm sure it's GREAT!
ALL this coming from an "old school traditionalist" by the way.
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Eagle
Holiday Coupon
Have gotten several orders from AZers since Thanksgiving and a few didn't use the coupon I put in the forsale thread... AZBilliards is a coupon code that gets 20% off thru the holidays... Wasn't gonna put that out here but I don't want feedback about not making everyone aware =)
Good racking,
Chris
Have gotten several orders from AZers since Thanksgiving and a few didn't use the coupon I put in the forsale thread... AZBilliards is a coupon code that gets 20% off thru the holidays... Wasn't gonna put that out here but I don't want feedback about not making everyone aware =)
Good racking,
Chris