I guess if Zach wants to be disrespectful to people in our town, he will get disrespected when i get to Dogs tonight.
I expect better from you Gene.
I expect better from you Gene.
Build a champion in a month or 2. Is this possible?
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Always need a plan.........
My father told me when I was fairly young that you always need a plan.
Even if it's a bad plan if you work hard and stick to it with determination the results will still be pretty good.
I am pretty happy at Zacks progress. I see him firing balls in that most players play safe on. His confidence is getting higher and higher everyday.
In less than a month I would say he is right on track. Especially considering that he was sick for about 10 days and so was i.
Especially if someone has to play Zach in a big table tourny they will know they were in a real tough match.
This is not just about the shooting but about everything overall about being on the road and how to act.
As you saw in the thread here we ran into a little trouble with negotiating a game. This is a learning experience for Zack and he will make less mistakes with time. The best thing is to learn fast and not make the same mistakes.
In another month it is hard to tell where we will be at. I think the place will be good.
Are we going to go around and challenge champions to $5,000 matches? I don't think so. The champions don't even go around playing each other too much.
But he will be in some high profile tournys and he will belong there I guarantee it.
He will be doing the things he needs to do to be at his best and perform.
Build a champion, not just a shooting machine. Not a robot.
He's just a kid with so many of lifes lessons still to learn.
I wish I was as far ahead as he is at the age of 23. Now we just need to build.............
2 men a van and the road.........
My father told me when I was fairly young that you always need a plan.
Even if it's a bad plan if you work hard and stick to it with determination the results will still be pretty good.
I am pretty happy at Zacks progress. I see him firing balls in that most players play safe on. His confidence is getting higher and higher everyday.
In less than a month I would say he is right on track. Especially considering that he was sick for about 10 days and so was i.
Especially if someone has to play Zach in a big table tourny they will know they were in a real tough match.
This is not just about the shooting but about everything overall about being on the road and how to act.
As you saw in the thread here we ran into a little trouble with negotiating a game. This is a learning experience for Zack and he will make less mistakes with time. The best thing is to learn fast and not make the same mistakes.
In another month it is hard to tell where we will be at. I think the place will be good.
Are we going to go around and challenge champions to $5,000 matches? I don't think so. The champions don't even go around playing each other too much.
But he will be in some high profile tournys and he will belong there I guarantee it.
He will be doing the things he needs to do to be at his best and perform.
Build a champion, not just a shooting machine. Not a robot.
He's just a kid with so many of lifes lessons still to learn.
I wish I was as far ahead as he is at the age of 23. Now we just need to build.............
2 men a van and the road.........
Gene,
If you're new in town and someone wants to play you, do you ever think it's a good idea to tell them you only have time for one set? I think it can be a quick way to find out how good they are, because I'd imagine most people in that spot will probably play close to their true speed if they think they only have one shot to win your money.
What do you think?
If you're new in town and someone wants to play you, do you ever think it's a good idea to tell them you only have time for one set? I think it can be a quick way to find out how good they are, because I'd imagine most people in that spot will probably play close to their true speed if they think they only have one shot to win your money.
What do you think?
That sounds like it would work........
If you just moved to a town and plan on being there for awhile you will form some real quick friendships in the new pool world. Many of these players will help steer you right.
Just like being on the road everyone wants to check out the new guy or the new action.
If your going to be there for awhile you have plenty of time. take your time and get to know the players. Build some good friendships.
This is what pool is all about at the local levels.
I really like how close knit the players here in Des Moines are. Kind of like a huge family.
This would be a great place to live. Centrally located and always something going on.
Just think about how it was where you come from. It's the same where you are going.
One big family that plays together and some of them gamble together.
And we all love the game and love to compete and socialize.
Good luck with your new area.......
If you just moved to a town and plan on being there for awhile you will form some real quick friendships in the new pool world. Many of these players will help steer you right.
Just like being on the road everyone wants to check out the new guy or the new action.
If your going to be there for awhile you have plenty of time. take your time and get to know the players. Build some good friendships.
This is what pool is all about at the local levels.
I really like how close knit the players here in Des Moines are. Kind of like a huge family.
This would be a great place to live. Centrally located and always something going on.
Just think about how it was where you come from. It's the same where you are going.
One big family that plays together and some of them gamble together.
And we all love the game and love to compete and socialize.
Good luck with your new area.......
Lol...can't wait to get back to Des Moines after this exhausting (but fun) trip. Sounds like a couple of interesting nights at Dogs that I missed.
This brings up an interesting conversation? You lose 8 games playing even and ask for weight. You get weight and win three games back and the other guy pulls up. Is there a rule that says that the opponent is obligated to lose back the 8 games before quitting?
I mean this is how I play for the most part. If I beat a guy 8 games in a row even and he asks me for a ball then I am giving him the ball and going to try my heart out to beat him with that spot. I hope by the end of it I have busted him after giving him everything he wants.
I am the type of guy that was brought up in the pool room that you don't quit until the other guy quits unless you're even. I consider it kind of nitty to quit winner.
BUT
Back to the spot.
If you beat a guy even and then he asks for weight and you feel the game is out of line I don't think that you are obligated to lose all the money back in a game that you feel is out of line. I think that it's perfectly acceptable to say let's play the way we started and you can win it back the way I won it.
Buddy Hall once said that he didn't understand people who get hot when someone quits winner. Buddy said if can't quit winner then when are you supposed to quit?
I mean this is how I play for the most part. If I beat a guy 8 games in a row even and he asks me for a ball then I am giving him the ball and going to try my heart out to beat him with that spot. I hope by the end of it I have busted him after giving him everything he wants.
I am the type of guy that was brought up in the pool room that you don't quit until the other guy quits unless you're even. I consider it kind of nitty to quit winner.
BUT
Back to the spot.
If you beat a guy even and then he asks for weight and you feel the game is out of line I don't think that you are obligated to lose all the money back in a game that you feel is out of line. I think that it's perfectly acceptable to say let's play the way we started and you can win it back the way I won it.
Buddy Hall once said that he didn't understand people who get hot when someone quits winner. Buddy said if can't quit winner then when are you supposed to quit?
you win 8 games then give up 9 8 which is a very small spot.
and only blow back 3 games thats not showing the guy your playing much gamble.
I stayed at the Baymont Inn near the Airport, but it is not real economical if you do the road thing. Good place though.
I said something to Gene about Zack adjusting the spot and that is it prudent to do so the first time you beat a top player. 8 games ahead is a lot of games, but you never know if a player is just having an off night or if he is laying down a lemon. Regardless, I don't change the spot the first time we play. Maybe the second time, but never the first time. I see some people who do and that's fine for them. On the other hand if I lose the first time playing someone, I just suck it up and regroup another day.
So how many games should the winner blow back after adjusting the spot?
if he wins 8 games even
and he spots 9-8 he should win that way to imho ....... and should not pull up after three games........ that is not showin any heart........he should blow back all 8 games or get in gear........and if he does break even after that spot then next time adjust the spot agian to 9-8 on hes break & even on the the other mans break ......:wink:
and he spots 9-8 he should win that way to imho ....... and should not pull up after three games........ that is not showin any heart........he should blow back all 8 games or get in gear........and if he does break even after that spot then next time adjust the spot agian to 9-8 on hes break & even on the the other mans break ......:wink:
why would he give 9 8 on his break if they are dead even?
In my younger days I was what old timers would call a through ticket. Meaning that if I started playing and losing you could go through all my pockets and get all the money.
I always figured that all the bullets I brought were in play. I used to hate it when people would quit winner on me or I would be down a lot and they would then quit even, or lose a few and quit then.
Then as I got older I started to understand swings and momentum a bit more. I started to understand that getting ahead doesn't mean you will stay ahead and changing the game can have a real negative affect on the mood.
I agree with Chris about showing gamble but I also agree with not throwing money away if you don't feel right. Like you said Joey maybe the guy who lost 8 was just dogging it for whatever reason. Maybe actually even is the right game.
That one ball isn't much but it could be enough to cause the giver to start dogging it and wake the other guy up.
So now I don't feel obligated to lose the money back at a different game than I won at. If I do then it is because I want to play that way not because the other guy demands it.
But in general my ego is such that if I give you weight I am going to stick it out and see if I can outrun it.
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eather that
or go back to even next time........ but i think like i said if he had the guy down 8 games he should win with the 9-8 spot?? do you agree with that ?? ....... but its seems to be such a close game that one needs to get the heart and get that cash lol.......
or go back to even next time........ but i think like i said if he had the guy down 8 games he should win with the 9-8 spot?? do you agree with that ?? ....... but its seems to be such a close game that one needs to get the heart and get that cash lol.......
OK at this point I think I'd like to maybe hijack the thread since it's already underway....
What exactly is the definition of heart? Let's say you worked all day and you lose focus and the batteries are drained.. Should you call it for the night or keep playing with a spot you can no longer give up?
Is jumping in the box with someone you will need a spot from and not asking for it right away showing heart??? How about jumping in the box knowing someone needs a spot and not offering it... Is that heart???
Nits don't get in the box as a rule of thumb but how many times have you heard someone called a nit because they want to quit on their own terms...
Along the same lines a player's heart always is in question for the exact same reason... The player knows it's the right time to quit and when they try someone always throws out the "he aint got no heart"...
Nit or No heart... either way good luck with that move because that's all it is..... And it's pretty effective in many instances... In this instance I think it's a wasted move because I am sure Geno will make good and sure that Zack understand that pulling up when it doesn't feel right or you run out of steam is anything but dishonorable..... You fight again tomorrow...
Chris
I don't see it as a thread hijack. The thread is an ongoing blog of Geno's experiences and I think it's fine if we discuss the things he talks about and what happens. As long as no people start going off on each other it should be fine.
Regarding your question of what is heart and combining it with Chris' statement about showing gamble I think it's really a case by case basis. I think any two people who are gambling are in a unique situation. They both have to feel right about the game to be in it or they shouldn't be playing.
As someone who has been on the losing, nose wide open, side of it a lot it's really easy to start calling someone a nit if they won't adjust the way you want them to. It's downright brutal when you are stuck and you want to keep playing but you absolutely think you can't win and ask for a spot and don't get it.
On the other hand I have been on the winning side a few times, given out the weight and seen IMMEDIATELY that the weight is too much. In times past I would have said screw it let me try to outrun the nuts but now I kinda hesitate and try not to give away the money I worked hard to win. If it's a close spot like 9/8 I think I would have had to keep going, that's not enough to make me feel like it's out of line.
But generally, the word nit will be used whenever anyone quits winner or won't adjust after getting someone stuck. That's just the way it goes in the poolroom.
Regarding your question of what is heart and combining it with Chris' statement about showing gamble I think it's really a case by case basis. I think any two people who are gambling are in a unique situation. They both have to feel right about the game to be in it or they shouldn't be playing.
As someone who has been on the losing, nose wide open, side of it a lot it's really easy to start calling someone a nit if they won't adjust the way you want them to. It's downright brutal when you are stuck and you want to keep playing but you absolutely think you can't win and ask for a spot and don't get it.
On the other hand I have been on the winning side a few times, given out the weight and seen IMMEDIATELY that the weight is too much. In times past I would have said screw it let me try to outrun the nuts but now I kinda hesitate and try not to give away the money I worked hard to win. If it's a close spot like 9/8 I think I would have had to keep going, that's not enough to make me feel like it's out of line.
But generally, the word nit will be used whenever anyone quits winner or won't adjust after getting someone stuck. That's just the way it goes in the poolroom.
Good thing Zack didn't play Justin today.....
Justin would have been stealing. No matter what table they played on.
Zack played good for about 1 hour and then it was downhill from there.
Zack ended up playing Mike all night and missed so many shots and made so many mistakes that it was rediculous.
I was going to pull him up but he needs to learn the lesson. I know this has happened to him on the road before. Play until your brain dead from no sleep and can't win. There is no sense playing when your in this shape at all. When you feel like your the best player why just sit there and trade punches. Not good when your on the road.
Overall it was a rough day. The corporate manager was at the motel and checked our room for bedbugs and told me that we brought them with us. By putting the suitcase on the bed they got on the bed. What a bunch of bunk. She looked and checked the room and said there was no bed bugs.
When Zack is all bit up tomorrow I'm taking him to the clinic and they can pay the bill. Then they can deal with the health department.
I played jimmy some 9 ball while Zack was dogging it 2 tables over. I win 3 out of 4 sets for $50 each so I win $100. My shoulder is feeling a little better. Ice it up tonight and it might be on the way to heal up.
I'm going to tuck Zach in tonight and make sure he gets 9 or 10 hours before we go back. The good news is i know for sure that when I tell Zach from now on you can't play on 5 hours of sleep he will listen. Or you can but not with any of my money. it's just foolish. This is why road players go bust. they just play until they can't no more. if you start out with 1/2 tank of energy from not enough sleep your usually not going to get the cash if it's a close game.
There is a tournament in Davenport tomorrow but we're going to sleep. I lesson learned by a young gun or i should say relearned because i know he's been there before.
There is a difference between stupidity and heart.
To me the ultimate example of heart is when your opponent is on the hill and you need 3 games yet and win all three knowing that this is your last money.
I've been there in my life on the road. Been there and done that more than I'd like to admit.
Plus when your tired you make mistakes. Worst time to negotiate a game is when your tired.
Overall it was a good day.
Zach had a few huge lessons from the school of hard knocks and didn't get hurt too bad. These mistakes should not be made again. A road player has to pay head to mistakes and eliminate them.
I'm playing Jimmy again tomorrow. I don't know who Zack will be playing but i know this. If he doesn't get enough sleep he's not playing anyone for a large amount.
We might end up in Davenport and maybe not. It all depends on when we wake up. We got the room paid for in Des Moines until Monday.
Another day another adventure.
2 men a van and the road........
Justin would have been stealing. No matter what table they played on.
Zack played good for about 1 hour and then it was downhill from there.
Zack ended up playing Mike all night and missed so many shots and made so many mistakes that it was rediculous.
I was going to pull him up but he needs to learn the lesson. I know this has happened to him on the road before. Play until your brain dead from no sleep and can't win. There is no sense playing when your in this shape at all. When you feel like your the best player why just sit there and trade punches. Not good when your on the road.
Overall it was a rough day. The corporate manager was at the motel and checked our room for bedbugs and told me that we brought them with us. By putting the suitcase on the bed they got on the bed. What a bunch of bunk. She looked and checked the room and said there was no bed bugs.
When Zack is all bit up tomorrow I'm taking him to the clinic and they can pay the bill. Then they can deal with the health department.
I played jimmy some 9 ball while Zack was dogging it 2 tables over. I win 3 out of 4 sets for $50 each so I win $100. My shoulder is feeling a little better. Ice it up tonight and it might be on the way to heal up.
I'm going to tuck Zach in tonight and make sure he gets 9 or 10 hours before we go back. The good news is i know for sure that when I tell Zach from now on you can't play on 5 hours of sleep he will listen. Or you can but not with any of my money. it's just foolish. This is why road players go bust. they just play until they can't no more. if you start out with 1/2 tank of energy from not enough sleep your usually not going to get the cash if it's a close game.
There is a tournament in Davenport tomorrow but we're going to sleep. I lesson learned by a young gun or i should say relearned because i know he's been there before.
There is a difference between stupidity and heart.
To me the ultimate example of heart is when your opponent is on the hill and you need 3 games yet and win all three knowing that this is your last money.
I've been there in my life on the road. Been there and done that more than I'd like to admit.
Plus when your tired you make mistakes. Worst time to negotiate a game is when your tired.
Overall it was a good day.
Zach had a few huge lessons from the school of hard knocks and didn't get hurt too bad. These mistakes should not be made again. A road player has to pay head to mistakes and eliminate them.
I'm playing Jimmy again tomorrow. I don't know who Zack will be playing but i know this. If he doesn't get enough sleep he's not playing anyone for a large amount.
We might end up in Davenport and maybe not. It all depends on when we wake up. We got the room paid for in Des Moines until Monday.
Another day another adventure.
2 men a van and the road........