Banking with CTE/PRO ONE

Pidge

Pidge

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Evening,

I thought about posting this in the aiming section, but it isn't really a question about aim, more a question about how reliable it is.

I've been using the above mentioned aiming method for a while now, and I have to say it makes it harder to miss a ball than pocket it. So I'm impressed to say the least. One thing I have never tried however is banking with this method. Up until recently I had no knowledge of banking "guidelines" shall we say, it was all done from, well, I don't know. Experience? Anyway, it worked well enough.

So the question is really, is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE using (this is a very general way of putting it) a 2:1 diamond line of aim for soft banks and 3:1 line of aim for firm banks using the above system depending on the type of cut?

In my head it makes sense. That being said I don't completely understand how CTE/PRO ONE pockets balls, who cares? It pockets balls that's all that matters. If I pick a point on the rail to aim at (assuming its the correct aiming point) and I determine it to be a 1/2 ball hit and follow the correct CTE/PRO ONE principals, then surely it makes no difference if my desired aiming point is the pocket or a spot on the rail, right?
 
Any system is as reliable as you make it.
You must practice with any system to build your reliability (consistency).

That means if you don't diligently and deliberately practice playing straight in shots, kicks, banks, cut shots, shots with side spin etc. then the system or rather you, the player will not be reliable using any system.
 
Pidge said:
Evening,

I thought about posting this in the aiming section, but it isn't really a question about aim, more a question about how reliable it is.

I've been using the above mentioned aiming method for a while now, and I have to say it makes it harder to miss a ball than pocket it. So I'm impressed to say the least. One thing I have never tried however is banking with this method. Up until recently I had no knowledge of banking "guidelines" shall we say, it was all done from, well, I don't know. Experience? Anyway, it worked well enough.

So the question is really, is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE using (this is a very general way of putting it) a 2:1 diamond line of aim for soft banks and 3:1 line of aim for firm banks using the above system depending on the type of cut?

In my head it makes sense. That being said I don't completely understand how CTE/PRO ONE pockets balls, who cares? It pockets balls that's all that matters. If I pick a point on the rail to aim at (assuming its the correct aiming point) and I determine it to be a 1/2 ball hit and follow the correct CTE/PRO ONE principals, then surely it makes no difference if my desired aiming point is the pocket or a spot on the rail, right?
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There is nothing I have come across that works better IMO
 
Pidge said:
Evening,

I thought about posting this in the aiming section, but it isn't really a question about aim, more a question about how reliable it is.

I've been using the above mentioned aiming method for a while now, and I have to say it makes it harder to miss a ball than pocket it. So I'm impressed to say the least. One thing I have never tried however is banking with this method. Up until recently I had no knowledge of banking "guidelines" shall we say, it was all done from, well, I don't know. Experience? Anyway, it worked well enough.

So the question is really, is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE using (this is a very general way of putting it) a 2:1 diamond line of aim for soft banks and 3:1 line of aim for firm banks using the above system depending on the type of cut?

In my head it makes sense. That being said I don't completely understand how CTE/PRO ONE pockets balls, who cares? It pockets balls that's all that matters. If I pick a point on the rail to aim at (assuming its the correct aiming point) and I determine it to be a 1/2 ball hit and follow the correct CTE/PRO ONE principals, then surely it makes no difference if my desired aiming point is the pocket or a spot on the rail, right?
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Do you have Stan's CTE/PRO ONE DVD? Stan signed me off for BCA Instructor certification at a time when he was still refining his CTE/PRO ONE concepts and techniques.

Since then, I've been out of pool due to a vision problem that is now pretty much cured so I'M BACK!!!! (-:

But I never did get the original DVD. I am going to order the new, revised and FINAL version as soon as Stan finishes it.

But I'm almost positive that there is a section on the original DVD specific to banks. For sure, Stan teaches the banking side of CTE/PRO ONE in his personal lessons.

Anyone seriously interested in evolving a systematic aiming technique really owes it to themselves to get Stan's new DVD when it is released but then STUDY it and LIVE with it for quite a while....months for sure.

Old habits die hard and certainly it just takes time to INTERNALIZE any systematic aimimg technique. What you don't want to do is have to THINK much about how you go about aiming. If you have to, then for sure you haven't fully internalized the approach...just like hitting baseballs. If you have to THINK about what you are about to do, the catcher will have the ball half way back to the pitcher before you've gotten your act together.

Ditto for any other sports-related action.

I've read tons of comments about all sorts of instructional concepts from aiming to TOI where the poster states that..."I tried it for a couple of weeks and it just didn't work for me."

Well, practically NO major technique from the use of wrists...to TOI...or anything else can be internalized very quickly except maybe by ridiculously coordinated champions.

So...I suggest either committing to adopting a major fundamental change over a period of MONTHS...or don't go there in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.

EagleMan
 
EagleMan said:
Do you have Stan's CTE/PRO ONE DVD? Stan signed me off for BCA Instructor certification at a time when he was still refining his CTE/PRO ONE concepts and techniques.

Since then, I've been out of pool due to a vision problem that is now pretty much cured so I'M BACK!!!! (-:

But I never did get the original DVD. I am going to order the new, revised and FINAL version as soon as Stan finishes it.

But I'm almost positive that there is a section on the original DVD specific to banks. For sure, Stan teaches the banking side of CTE/PRO ONE in his personal lessons.

Anyone seriously interested in evolving a systematic aiming technique really owes it to themselves to get Stan's new DVD when it is released but then STUDY it and LIVE with it for quite a while....months for sure.

Old habits die hard and certainly it just takes time to INTERNALIZE any systematic aimimg technique. What you don't want to do is have to THINK much about how you go about aiming. If you have to, then for sure you haven't fully internalized the approach...just like hitting baseballs. If you have to THINK about what you are about to do, the catcher will have the ball half way back to the pitcher before you've gotten your act together.

Ditto for any other sports-related action.

I've read tons of comments about all sorts of instructional concepts from aiming to TOI where the poster states that..."I tried it for a couple of weeks and it just didn't work for me."

Well, practically NO major technique from the use of wrists...to TOI...or anything else can be internalized very quickly except maybe by ridiculously coordinated champions.

So...I suggest either committing to adopting a major fundamental change over a period of MONTHS...or don't go there in the first place.

Just my 2 cents.

EagleMan
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I have a copy of A CTE/PRO ONE DVD, I'm not sure how old it is though and it got damaged when I played it in my xbox, so I never got chance to really take in and remember the banking section. I've been using CTE/PRO ONE for around 10 months now and I'd like to think I have it internalised?

I can't believe I've never thought to test out banking with it. And its only now that I'm away from the table for a couple of weeks that I thought about it.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to the new DVD.
 
I just started using Pro One, and it does work really well for pocketing balls. In the DVD Stan briefly goes over how to use it for banks.

It works okay, but I like the SEE system a little better. Once you get it down, it's pretty easy to nail one rail banks with any type of spin and at any speed.

The key though is understand that not all tables play the same, so it's important to spend a little time banking and see how you need to adjust.
 
Just for the record, my first DVD, CTE PRO ONE is complete as is. I have made only one addition to my system over the past 2 years and that revision is included in text with all sales for DVD # 1.

Yes, I will release a new work in 2013 that represents an additional 2 plus years of my work with the intricacies of CTE PRO ONE. It will be a very special work, even if I have to say so myself.

So there you have the scoop. Something is coming in 2013.

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
Just for the record, my first DVD, CTE PRO ONE is complete as is. I have made only one addition to my system over the past 2 years and that revision is included in text with all sales for DVD # 1.

Yes, I will release a new work in 2013 that represents an additional 2 plus years of my work with the intricacies of CTE PRO ONE. It will be a very special work, even if I have to say so myself.

So there you have the scoop. Something is coming in 2013.

Stan Shuffett
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Hi Stan,

Any chance it will come with a booklet or maybe an ebook? I just got your Pro One DVD recently, and love it, but I felt that was the one thing that was lacking.
 
BeiberLvr,
What I can tell you at this time is that I am producing the best work that I can muster up. If you love the 1st one, then you will not be disappointed with my next work.
Also DVD # 1 will remain at the same pricing. I have limited remaining copies of that production and once they're gone, they're gone.

Stan Shuffett
 
Stan, with all due respect, please add "The Man" to your signature..... Jeesh......
 
Right

BeiberLvr said:
I just started using Pro One, and it does work really well for pocketing balls. In the DVD Stan briefly goes over how to use it for banks.

It works okay, but I like the SEE system a little better. Once you get it down, it's pretty easy to nail one rail banks with any type of spin and at any speed.

The key though is understand that not all tables play the same, so it's important to spend a little time banking and see how you need to adjust.
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You are SO right that since each table behaves somewhat differently (sometimes minor/sometimes major) a bank/aim system can NEVER be as "repeatable" as a regular aiming system.

So, you have to get a "baseline" aiming system down pat but then go to table after table after table until you can't stand it any more and figure out if it banks long or short and then adjust.

And oh, by the way ya gotta do all that for EACH RAIL or each table.

Because of those realities I think it is VASTLY easier (but not "easy" at all) to determine whether a regular aiming system is working for you. There are just SO many variables in banking...including, of course speed) that it is just really difficult and time-consuming to get a bank aiming system down pat.

EagleMan
 
Omg !!!

stan shuffett said:
BeiberLvr,
What I can tell you at this time is that I am producing the best work that I can muster up. If you love the 1st one, then you will not be disappointed with my next work.
Also DVD # 1 will remain at the same pricing. I have limited remaining copies of that production and once they're gone, they're gone.

Stan Shuffett
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WOW WOW WOW!!!

This news made my day / my week / my month LOL !!!
Now I will not be able to sleep until next year, thank you for this Stan :p

And yes I love the first DVD so you can imagine how I will be waiting for your 2nd refined version of it!!!

I cannot resist not asking this though I don't expect a clear date at this time - but still: when exactly in 2013 do you expect this new DVD to come out?

Just to know how many sleepless nights I need to expect until then...
 
Banking

Pidge said:
Evening,

I thought about posting this in the aiming section, but it isn't really a question about aim, more a question about how reliable it is.

I've been using the above mentioned aiming method for a while now, and I have to say it makes it harder to miss a ball than pocket it. So I'm impressed to say the least. One thing I have never tried however is banking with this method. Up until recently I had no knowledge of banking "guidelines" shall we say, it was all done from, well, I don't know. Experience? Anyway, it worked well enough.

So the question is really, is it reliable to bank using CTE/PRO ONE using (this is a very general way of putting it) a 2:1 diamond line of aim for soft banks and 3:1 line of aim for firm banks using the above system depending on the type of cut?

In my head it makes sense. That being said I don't completely understand how CTE/PRO ONE pockets balls, who cares? It pockets balls that's all that matters. If I pick a point on the rail to aim at (assuming its the correct aiming point) and I determine it to be a 1/2 ball hit and follow the correct CTE/PRO ONE principals, then surely it makes no difference if my desired aiming point is the pocket or a spot on the rail, right?
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Pidge,
Im not trying to enter the Sayer Naysayer argument that can go on forever and I read and understand your post but Im an avid banker I woud rather bank than eat but I live in the South and Bank Pool is played by few. I my confidence in banks is very high. I understand some of cte enough to know how it works but I dont use it and I dont have any trouble making the shots I attempt. Banks are a funny animal at times and first thing I can tell you about banks is that I always consider the 2 to 1 line first and foremost. Secondly its easier to make a bank if you are scrubbing off angle with a medium to hard stroke. So in that way if you can cinch a bank by doing this you are way ahead in terms of probability of making the shot. One pocket is a game full of banks and you better know the 2 to 1 bank speed and have that down pat and be able to know how much to scrub off an angle with a slight touch.....so if we know this much then I would tell you banks are a game of feel. First there is an equation, a realization of what needs to be done then a feel for how you are going to do it....whether it needs to be done with stroke pressure or an addition of English to solve the bank. I have a friend who uses all kinds of systems including cte. If you shoot the same kind of banks and thats all you play well yeah Im sure you could say that a system is good for banks be it cte or barking at the moon the problem is there are a lot of different kinds of banks. In my opinion that would make it hard to say that any system would solve all banks, some banks maybe. In my experience you have to visually be able to place a ball at a place on the cushion and you need to understand what the ball is doing when it hits that place. The fact that you say I dont understand how cte pockets balls but it does tells me that you do not understand the path to the pocket on the shot....which in banks you absolutely must come to that understanding otherwise fitting banks through paths between balls would be impossible.....Im sorry for the long narrative but thats the way I understand how to answer your question. I do understand the balls path to the pocket or to the point on the rail and that understanding is what I base everything I do on and it works.

Just another lovely day in paradise.....

336Robin :thumbup:

 
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Mristea,
1st quarter of the year, hopefully no later than March.

Concerning banks. CTE PRO ONE is EXTREMELY effective in connecting the shooter with a proper banking angle. Yes, one must factor in speed and sometimes spin. The system is simply AWESOME for banking.

Stan Shuffett
 
336Robin,
From your post it is clear that you do not understand CTE PRO ONE.
There is absolutely NO need to look at a cushion. And there is so much more.
Stan Shuffett
 
Nice!

stan shuffett said:
Mristea,
1st quarter of the year, hopefully no later than March.

Concerning banks. CTE PRO ONE is EXTREMELY effective in connecting the shooter with a proper banking angle. Yes, one must factor in speed and sometimes spin. The system is simply AWESOME for banking.

Stan Shuffett
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Not that much waiting in from of us...it means you are already pretty advance with your work.
Again great news and looking forward to see the final result Stan!
 
Youre right

stan shuffett said:
336Robin,
From your post it is clear that you do not understand CTE PRO ONE.
There is absolutely NO need to look at a cushion. And there is so much more.
Stan Shuffett
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Stan,
You are exactly right. The explanations Ive been given left me confused so I havent really gotten an understanding of it that I think is clear. What I do think but have no way..time..because I do a lot..include pay the tution....is that since I do understand very well what I do...Id love for you to show me what you do... there has to be something great about what youre doing because you have obviously helped a lot of people and your son is evidence of what youve done. My hat is off to you. Its obvious from what I now see and what youve done that there are more than one way to skin a cat. I do not understand fully how your system works, therefore I would not understand how to play English with it where I do my way so I stick with my way. Anytime you and I are in same area Id love to play some and dedicate the time to seeing what you do. The explanation Ive had of cte just wasnt clear. It could be that something I know might help you develop a better product. If cte is great for banking Id love to know myself. I love to bank better than I love to eat...and I really like to eat. I will go back and remove my web address from the other post because I mean no harm. I answered the post based on what I know to do to banks and really nothing more. You are helping people stay interested in pool, thats awesome.

Just another lovely day in paradise.....

336Robin :thumbup:

 
336Robin,
Appreciate your response.
If you love bank, and I know you do, then you will be pleased to get what I can reveal to you.
If you are ever in the KY area, stop by, and I will clear your confusion and put you on the road to becoming an improved banker.
Stan Shuffett
 
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