What do you think about parallel aiming

Yes,it is hard to explain me such complcated things in English.It is hard in my native, too.I wish there would be some proplayer who would be disposed to talk about this topic, about THIS SHOT and about aiming and striking cueball when plays english.
There is one more example of what I want to say.
On the short rail cueball and object ball are frozen in line to the pocket,ofcourse.If you play straight shot with no english,your cue is parallel regarding to rail,but if you play little bit harder shot with any english is your cue still parallel to a rail,or it isn't???
Thanks everybody in discussion
 
Vertical means when you have 90 degrees angle with you cue on the cueball.Even on english shots.I hope this helps
"Vertical" means having a 90-degree angle with the table (the opposite of "level" or "horizontal").

If you mean "parallel with the path you want the cue ball to take", use "parallel" instead.

pj
chgo
 
It has always been played with inside low spin

It has always been played with inside low spin smooth stoke if my memory serves me. Frozen on rail and ob same rail frozen below center pocket.


I thought that some would know.Anyway,it is tecnique of aiming.It is a high level pool,if you play right way.It is one of the most important things in pool and hardest to learn wrightly.There are no many people,players talk about it and no many play that way.You could hear something about in one old pool school DVD from Jim Rempe and Loree Jon Jones(POWER POOl).They said few words and show it on the table and explaine a little.
So.when you aim in the center of cueball for example, your dominant eye is under the center of the cueball.When you shot english,eye should be under the place where you aiming english,not center.But because cueball curves because of english, it moves out of line of aiming and 1/10 seconds after comes back on that line.Depend of stroke and power.So,because all that it is hard to accomplish that.Imagine this,cueball is on the breaking line at the center and you are aiming with left english into a rack.You would hit the rack at your right side of the rack.Because playing left english you push cueball into a right side.Playing right english you are pushing the cueball to the left.Unless,you play very easy.
So,when you aim cueball your stroke line has to be straight.How it could be straight you have to bee upright(or vertical) on cuebal.So, when do you play english your cue during aiming and especially shooting has to be straight,vertical,upright on cueball.But it is very hard to accomplish that and from some angles you cannot see properly when you are upright.So,the most of players don't do this.Those who do are on higher level.Left handed players have it most often naturally.Everything with this techinque is easier.Balls are pocketing easier because they rotate in direction to pocket(ahead rotation) and fall easier in pockets.Cueball has more power than and you can play angles with cueball you never thought you will be able to play.If you look some of the very best players you can see everything I am talking right now and if you look more carefully you will notice cueball is moving way different.
Because of curving cueball during english your eye and brain started to be confused unless you are not used on it.Because, of english and aimining system your dominant eye isn't aiming the place where should hit the object ball but the other spot and that confused brain and eye.Depend on your stroke is how much cueball are going to curve.As better you are your stroke is more consistent and than curving line is more consistent as well.
It is hard topic!!!!But believe me it is one of most important and it will take you in parallel universe when you feel it.
I'll give you one question!!!!!
Imagine!!!You look pool table from above.Cueball is on the left rail on the break line frozen.Object ball is at the same rail frozen but on the other side of table,where rack is.Both balls are in line. and frozen to the rail.Middle pocket is between them.So,what are you options????You have to make the object ball.Both balls are frozen to a rail..How can you make this shot???Which english have to play????Could you make the shot with both of english????What are your opinios??????I am very curious to see how do you thing guys and what do you know.Anway,whith using of these aiming methods you become aware of what you can do on a pool table.It is like learning.You learned everything,but you don't understand the topic actually.You did memorize memorized it all,but not necceasary understand it.But,once when you understand it,it becomes yours for all life and gives you more oportunity in every next shot.Actually,it is hard to explain but when you catch it it is a new dimension,for sure.
WHAT ARE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS???
 
Yes,it is true.I just wanted to say that is possible to make shot on other way.I have never said it is easier.I said it is possible with good stroke with help of deflection.That's all I wanted to say.
 
Shoudn't this be normal or?I believe here is the key for high level playing!!!And it is one of the most important fiels in pool game,I think.
Most of pool players are not vertical(upright) on most of shots,especially on shots with english.Also,there are many mistakes when angles are tough and when is hard to judge when you are vertical on cueball.
Have you ever seen bad player preparing for tough shots with lots of english,and you just know he will make the shot.You just see he is in right line,and you know he will make.Also,have you ever seen worldclass player preparing for easy shots and you could see he is gonna miss it???!!!
BUT WHEN YOU NOTICED THOSE SITUATION THEN, YOU HAVEN'T KNOWN TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK HE WILL MAKE OR MISS THE SHOT.
From my point of viewwhen I start feeling parallel aiming I cannot miss any shot at all.Nor easy,nor hard.Even when I played hard I cannot mis anything.
What do you think???

If all of you want to know what parallel english is then go visit Joe Tucker's website. He has a very nicely done demonstration of BACKHAND english as opposed to parallel english.

Basically, with backhand english, you line up the shot just like you were using no english. Then, NOT moving the hand from this original setting, you pivot the cue left or right depending upon what kind of english you want.

Joe describes parallel english by setting your hand down initially the same way as above, and then you pick up the hand and move it to the left or right with the cue being parallel to the original position.

I have to give Joe kudos for this tape - sorry I don't have the link. Joe Tucker posts on this forum also.
 
If all of you want to know what parallel english is then go visit Joe Tucker's website. He has a very nicely done demonstration of BACKHAND english as opposed to parallel english.

Basically, with backhand english, you line up the shot just like you were using no english. Then, NOT moving the hand from this original setting, you pivot the cue left or right depending upon what kind of english you want.

Joe describes parallel english by setting your hand down initially the same way as above, and then you pick up the hand and move it to the left or right with the cue being parallel to the original position.

I have to give Joe kudos for this tape - sorry I don't have the link. Joe Tucker posts on this forum also.
Another (maybe more important) difference:

With BHE you adjust your aim to work with the speed and butt elevation you want for the shot. With parallel english you adjust your speed and butt elevation to produce the squirt/swerve you want.

pj
chgo
 
I don't say you have to aim exatly the same with two different cues,but that you have to be upright on the cueball,what sometimes could be hard.Thanks

Can you please clarify what you mean by, 'you have to be upright on the cue ball'? Exactly what do you mean? What has to be upright on the cue ball? The reason I ask is that my eyes are as low as I can get without looking through my eyebrows.:wink:

I have been useing 'parallel' english quite well for many, many years. I disagree with PJ about limiting options. I feel it allows more 'appropriate' options but they are at times minute differences & might seem insignificant to many.

Regards,
 
Parallel aiming is described in a 1980's video, Power Pool. They do a brief, nice explanation of it... :-)
 
About your example, cue ball frozen to left rail, object ball frozen to the same long rail...

I think most books recommend you aim a little away from the rail (aim to the right a little) and use a little low left english, and hit softly. The cue ball moves away from the rail a bit (and misses the side pocket). But then it curves back towards the rail and sinks the object ball.

Is that the shot the OP meant. I was lost. I really wish his english was better. I concur, a very, very, mini masse.

Best Regards,
 
Yes,it is hard to explain me such complcated things in English.It is hard in my native, too.I wish there would be some proplayer who would be disposed to talk about this topic, about THIS SHOT and about aiming and striking cueball when plays english.
There is one more example of what I want to say.
On the short rail cueball and object ball are frozen in line to the pocket,ofcourse.If you play straight shot with no english,your cue is parallel regarding to rail,but if you play little bit harder shot with any english is your cue still parallel to a rail,or it isn't???
Thanks everybody in discussion

IF... & that is if I understand the shot you describe, you can play that shot with rail side english aiming slightly away from the rail as Creedo described or you can shoot it a number of other ways. The differences being dependent on combination of spin, speed, cue ball squirt combined, that conbination would dictate whether the aim is parallel, toward, or away from the rail. I guess that would yield 27 possible shots not taking into consideration tip elevations or levels of cue tip offset which would make the options much much larger. I'm sure PJ will do the math. Iguess what you are suggesting is whether or not the intent is to use deflection or spin as the main focus. It would depend of the selection of set up & intent & desired cue ball position after the shot.

Regards,
 
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Can you please clarify what you mean by, 'you have to be upright on the cue ball'? Exactly what do you mean? What has to be upright on the cue ball? The reason I ask is that my eyes are as low as I can get without looking through my eyebrows.:wink:

I have been useing 'parallel' english quite well for many, many years. I disagree with PJ about limiting options. I feel it allows more 'appropriate' options but they are at times minute differences & might seem insignificant to many.

Regards,

I too have always used Parallel aiming/spin. I do this in the standing position and come down on the QB on the side that I want to use staying as close to the vertical axis as possible.

John
 
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Hi JoeyA
I am from Croatia and Croatian is my native language.I know these things are hardy understandable even on native language,and it is quiet hard to explain it on some other language.From the start of the post I claim parallel aiming and using deflection can help if you get used on it.What I mean as well is that while you strike the cueball your cue has to be upright(with 90 degrees angle on cueball) and parallel with table(path).Cue has to be straight on the spot on the cueball where you aim.Also,I said it is good to have a little bit higher stance also,when situation on table is tricky and when view because of angle is tough and when you have to strike cue ball all way thru.However,most of pros are using deflection to help them,not to make hard on them.
So,regard to this topic there is no one who said something about shot with two frozen balls on the same long rail and with side pocket between them.So,if we watch table from above,balls are frozen on long left rail.As The Kid said this shot is playing with lower left english and smooth stroke with no power.But this shot is makable with right english and with very powerfull shot.You must have the hell of a stroke to make this shot but it is makable.I can make it when I get in the stroke.I saw this shot was made in the real game too.
You have to aim away of the rail.You aim very similar as if you would shoot very thin cut on that object ball.Because of deflection cueball came back on the rail after the side pocket.
So,I haven't heart any of you,have you ever saw this shot and do you think it is possible or did you mean it is possible before I said this???Or you don't believe??
Almost everybody can make it on shorter rail when the cueball and object ball are closer.But it is pretty hard to make it on long distance.
Also,when we talk about deflection, it is hard to adjust your eye that is not in the line with the spot on the object ball where it should be hitten but with the line where you aim because of deflection.Hope I helped you with what I thought and hope my english was more understandable this time.
And JB,hope you believe me I can make this shot and that shot is makable.I bet you love it if you would see it.It is funny what angle gets cueball after the contact with object ball.It moves almost the same as if you were played from spot point at the break line.Like,you are playing three rails position,if you play high on the cueball.
So,doesn't matter what kind of cue or what kind of shaft do you use,deflection exist.It is smaller but exist.So,it is better to get along with it than to avoid it.However,more and more players start to play with low deflection shafts and then they think there is no deflection at so they aim differently and they stand differently on some shots.Also,because they strated playing with low deflection shafts they don't learn enough about the game and don't know some basics.Some,actually believe there is no deflection at all.They are less knowledable than players from before.This is my humble opinion from my experience in learning others playing
pool and from more than 20 years of playing.I practice everybody from beginners to advance player and traveled all over the world playing pool.So,hope I know something.Thanks
Davor
 
Also,I have never claimed it is possible or that there are any system which calculate you how much would cueball curve when you play english,because it depends on stroke,humidity,shaft,cue,cloth and...so on.
You must get into feeling,and get used on it and if you want that you have to understand things,process and the game.
So,post was never atended to calculate deflection in numbers but to explain thinking and possibility using it and to show how important thing it is.Thanks
 
Anyway,I still haven't got the answer,do you think is shot is possible on the way I am talking about,reverse than usual.Thanks
 
Hi JoeyA
I am from Croatia and Croatian is my native language.I know these things are hardy understandable even on native language,and it is quiet hard to explain it on some other language.From the start of the post I claim parallel aiming and using deflection can help if you get used on it.What I mean as well is that while you strike the cueball your cue has to be upright(with 90 degrees angle on cueball) and parallel with table(path).Cue has to be straight on the spot on the cueball where you aim.Also,I said it is good to have a little bit higher stance also,when situation on table is tricky and when view because of angle is tough and when you have to strike cue ball all way thru.However,most of pros are using deflection to help them,not to make hard on them.
So,regard to this topic there is no one who said something about shot with two frozen balls on the same long rail and with side pocket between them.So,if we watch table from above,balls are frozen on long left rail.As The Kid said this shot is playing with lower left english and smooth stroke with no power.But this shot is makable with right english and with very powerfull shot.You must have the hell of a stroke to make this shot but it is makable.I can make it when I get in the stroke.I saw this shot was made in the real game too.
You have to aim away of the rail.You aim very similar as if you would shoot very thin cut on that object ball.Because of deflection cueball came back on the rail after the side pocket.
So,I haven't heart any of you,have you ever saw this shot and do you think it is possible or did you mean it is possible before I said this???Or you don't believe??
Almost everybody can make it on shorter rail when the cueball and object ball are closer.But it is pretty hard to make it on long distance.
Also,when we talk about deflection, it is hard to adjust your eye that is not in the line with the spot on the object ball where it should be hitten but with the line where you aim because of deflection.Hope I helped you with what I thought and hope my english was more understandable this time.
And JB,hope you believe me I can make this shot and that shot is makable.I bet you love it if you would see it.It is funny what angle gets cueball after the contact with object ball.It moves almost the same as if you were played from spot point at the break line.Like,you are playing three rails position,if you play high on the cueball.
So,doesn't matter what kind of cue or what kind of shaft do you use,deflection exist.It is smaller but exist.So,it is better to get along with it than to avoid it.However,more and more players start to play with low deflection shafts and then they think there is no deflection at so they aim differently and they stand differently on some shots.Also,because they strated playing with low deflection shafts they don't learn enough about the game and don't know some basics.Some,actually believe there is no deflection at all.They are less knowledable than players from before.This is my humble opinion from my experience in learning others playing
pool and from more than 20 years of playing.I practice everybody from beginners to advance player and traveled all over the world playing pool.So,hope I know something.Thanks
Davor

Davor,
My great-grandfather could have helped with the translation since he was from Dubrovnik but he lost his life in the Great Hurricane of 1900 in Galveston, Texas along with many other Croatians, including his wife. My grandfather was the only survivor of our family in that hurricane.

As to "upright", this time you did a much better job of explaining yourself, especially when you said, your cue had to strike the cue ball at 90 degree or parallel to the table. That cinched it for me about the "upright business". Anyway thanks for helping with that.

We have some top players here in the states who believe that squirt does not exist. :D They simply adjust for the squirt and don't know they do this naturally. :)

Yes, all cues squirt the cue ball some, even the lowest deflection shafts. Please let me know if you come to the states and which tournaments you are playing in. I would like to meet you and say hello. Maybe you could show me some special shots that you can make.

Is this the shot you are talking about, using outside spin (right spin) or right side
?
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THANKS FOR WRITING!
 
i use parallel aiming all the time but generally for shots which are more than 1 rail kicks and it can be fairly effective but you have to adjust for the spin that is gained by the cue ball as it comes off the first rail.
 
Hi JoeyA
It is nice to talk with somebody from States whose family came from Croatia.You must know then,Dubrovnik is special and beautiful city,one of the world's attraction.Anyway,if you haven't visited it yet,I hope you will one day.Regards to draw,YES,that is the shot I was talking about.Standard way is smooth stroke and easy shot with left spin.However,shot can be made with powerful shot with right english,using deflection.This way is much,much harder and you have to have the hell of a stroke,and to be in the same time in the mood and dead stroke.
This shot on short is much easier and almost every high level player can make it.So,if it is makable on short rail,why shall not be on the long rail as on your draw????
Hope this helps!!!Thanks for answering and for interests in topics.
Davor
 
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