How would you handle this Foul situation?

R

rrick33

Rick
Silver Member
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200 with BCA rules.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds sizing up the next shot and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
 
Last edited:
Either tell him/ them to stfu, he had plenty of time to call such a "foul" and didn't, (because he himself never saw it, if it indeed happened)...

Or...

Re-rack. (If you agree to it)

Waiting 20-30 seconds clearly demonstrates that he never saw or heard a foul committed.

I'm guessing if you called the house man to the game, they probably would've ruled for a re-rack.

How'd it turn out?
 
Shrug my shoulders, say "Sorry but there was no foul" and continue shooting... "If he wants to contest the shot maybe we should re-rack and I will break". If he says yes to a re-rack, I'd break and run the rack in his face.
 
rrick33 said:
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
Click to expand...



Obviously this guy is a piece of work if he was so concerned why wasn't he watching the hit as closely as his friend was? Besides that, and in REALITY, players have to call the foul ''when it happens'' you can't go back.
 
Tell him 3 things can happen:

You can unscrew your cue, take the loss.....and beat him with it for listening to someone who's not part of the game.

He can unscrew his cue, take the loss and leave with his friend.

Or he can shut his mouth after telling his friend to shut his mouth....and play pool. Because you're honorable and if you commit a foul, then you'll call it on your damn self. If he thought there was going to be an issue, he should have called the tournament director over to watch the shot.....and to never listen to the peanut gallery.
 
I would explain to him that I didn't think a foul occured and suggest that he has a 3rd party to watch any questionable shots in the future.
 
rrick33 said:
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
Click to expand...

I've seen many shooters do this or draw the cb back into the tip and act like nothings happened .I've done this myself and always knew I did it and always called it on myself .As a shooter you know you've done this and you can feel the hit.Im not here to say you done it,I just think when it happens you know.You say you didnt do it. I'll take your word for it.
It also your opponent's job to watch and call the foul not his friend's.
 
I hate this kind of "Sharking" as much as anyone and generally gets me in the mode where the next few racks are table runs in my favor, even if it just started out as a friendly game. This ploy always backfires on them w/me. One way to make sure that you see racks go off the table when I'm playing is to get under my skin.... LOL ;)
 
Actually 'he' has commited a foul by recieving outside assistance even though it was unsolicited. However the rules are a bit vague as to what should actaully happen.
 
The delay isn't relevant because you only need to call it before the next shot. Which he did.

I'd tell him "I'm positive I didn't foul, and I felt no second hit on my tip. If I did, I would hand you the cue ball, even if you didn't see it."

If that's not good enough, then say "well, I know for sure I didn't foul, and the rules say that without a ref, it goes to the shooter. But if you feel the need to talk to the tournament director to get a ruling, I'll wait."

Then whatever the TD decides, I'd stick to.

I don't worry about having a third party point out a foul, if they honestly believe they saw one. If a friend of mine is playing someone and I'm 100% sure they fouled, 100% sure they knew it... I'll say something.

If that breaks some unwritten Code of the Pool Hall, sorry. I speak up when I see someone trying to pull a fast one. I won't say anything unless I'm absolutely positive though.
 
I'd quiver in my boots, praying he doesn't beat the crap out of me whilst saying sorry in a high pitched voice over and over again.

Really though...tell him to shut the f*ck up, you didn't double hit sh*t and unless he wants a 314 shaft showing up on his next x-ray he best sit down and pipe down.

I hate people who kick up a stink when they didn't see it, and are going off of what someone else said. Its a minor tourny ffs. Fair enough ask if you double hit it, but once you say no, he can't say anything because he didn't see it.
 
rrick33 said:
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200 with BCA rules.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds sizing up the next shot and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
Click to expand...
All calls go to the shooter if a ref didnt seeit, so tell him to STFU and quit sharking.
 
Pidge said:
I'd quiver in my boots, praying he doesn't beat the crap out of me whilst saying sorry in a high pitched voice over and over again.

Really though...tell him to shut the f*ck up, you didn't double hit sh*t and unless he wants a 314 shaft showing up on his next x-ray he best sit down and pipe down.

I hate people who kick up a stink when they didn't see it, and are going off of what someone else said. Its a minor tourny ffs. Fair enough ask if you double hit it, but once you say no, he can't say anything because he didn't see it.
Click to expand...



Probably threatening to stick a shaft up another players ass (at least a 314 has low deflection) isn't the best advice.... Just sayin
 
CreeDo said:
The delay isn't relevant because you only need to call it before the next shot. Which he did.

I'd tell him "I'm positive I didn't foul, and I felt no second hit on my tip. If I did, I would hand you the cue ball, even if you didn't see it."

If that's not good enough, then say "well, I know for sure I didn't foul, and the rules say that without a ref, it goes to the shooter. But if you feel the need to talk to the tournament director to get a ruling, I'll wait."

Then whatever the TD decides, I'd stick to.

I don't worry about having a third party point out a foul, if they honestly believe they saw one. If a friend of mine is playing someone and I'm 100% sure they fouled, 100% sure they knew it... I'll say something.

If that breaks some unwritten Code of the Pool Hall, sorry. I speak up when I see someone trying to pull a fast one. I won't say anything unless I'm absolutely positive though.
Click to expand...

You'd get your jaw broken speaking up during someone elses game where I am from... Its none of your damn business if your on the rail, the game is between the 2 players. The only time I have EVER seen anyone other than the 2 people at the table say anything was a backer, and even then its mostly a no no.

As far as this situation I would explain the the guy that his friends opinion doesn't mean anything to me. I didn't think I fouled, and obviously you (your opponent) didn't see it. If it is a possibility to foul on a shot then maybe he should have someone watch it, but if the didn't feel the need to do that then it prolly wasn't an issue and move on.
 
rrick33 said:
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200 with BCA rules.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds sizing up the next shot and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
Click to expand...

The guy on the side line has no say so on this matter, it is between you and your oponent and all he can do is ask you if you fouled or not, so really in this episode its your word and your word only!
 
rrick33 said:
You're in a local tournament for small money....less than $200 with BCA rules.
You're playing someone you've played many times before and it has always been very competitive....with subtle undertones of annomosity on his part.

You take a shot and pocket a ball.

You walk around the table for 20-30 seconds sizing up the next shot and before you can hit the next shot, your opponent asks if you double tapped the cue ball on the previous shot. You inform him that you did not and then he aggressively accuses you of lying and commiting the foul.

You are unaware of any foul but apparently a friend of your opponent told him that you double tapped the cue ball while executing the previous shot. Your opponent apparently did not see a foul but truly believes his friend. His friend is a 20 year old kid whos opinion and/or vision I would not hold as highly reliable.

You had no sensation of a double hit and believe it to be a legal shot but your opponent is convinced you are cheating him and he's making a big scene.

This actually happened to me...I was the shooter.

How would you handle this situation?
Click to expand...

Your opponent has committed a foul.

1-41 Coaching

1. During your match, it is a foul if you ask for, or intentionally receive, assistance in planning or executing any shot.
2. It is a foul if you receive unsolicited assistance from a spectator associated with you (e.g., spouse/partner, relative, teammate). “Assistance” includes being alerted to an opponent’s foul.

1-23 Calling Fouls / Fouls Not Called
1. A foul may only be called by a player playing in the game or by a referee that has been properly called to the table. See Rule 1.41, Coaching, for more information concerning exceptions in team play.
 
ChopStick said:
Your opponent has committed a foul.

1-41 Coaching

1. During your match, it is a foul if you ask for, or intentionally receive, assistance in planning or executing any shot.
2. It is a foul if you receive unsolicited assistance from a spectator associated with you (e.g., spouse/partner, relative, teammate). “Assistance” includes being alerted to an opponent’s foul.

1-23 Calling Fouls / Fouls Not Called
1. A foul may only be called by a player playing in the game or by a referee that has been properly called to the table. See Rule 1.41, Coaching, for more information concerning exceptions in team play.
Click to expand...

What rulle book is this? I dont remember this rule
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top