Zero X System

[JB Cases]

This is a free video that I liked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAHpAucBho

Its about how to aim every ball as center ball hit and add various english on the last second (just before tip hits the CB), without any aiming adjustments.

Great video, something very interesting for ppl (like me) that use and love the "center CB" aiming systems

This is commonly known as Backhand English or BHE. Someone on here said in the Philippines it's called Carabo english.

It works with all aiming methods.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

This is a free video that I liked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAHpAucBho

Its about how to aim every ball as center ball hit and add various english on the last second (just before tip hits the CB), without any aiming adjustments.

Great video, something very interesting for ppl (like me) that use and love the "center CB" aiming systems

He's using "back hand english" - it's a way to add sidespin and automatically adjust your aim to compensate for squirt (cue ball deflection). He does it by moving his back hand sideways during the shot stroke, but it can also be done by moving the back hand sideways before beginning the shot stroke and stroking straight at the new "pivoted" angle. I think the latter way (pivoting first and stroking straight) is more accurate and consistent.

Back hand english doesn't work as well with a low-squirt shaft. The technique is discussed here a lot - search for it and you'll learn a lot more about it.

pj
chgo

 

[AlexandruM]

I watched the kicking video. It's OK and pretty easy to understand, but I think that for 2&3 rail kicks the information could be more structured. Over all it's worth the money.

 

[Mirza]

He's using "back hand english" - it's a way to add sidespin and automatically adjust your aim to compensate for squirt (cue ball deflection). He does it by moving his back hand sideways during the shot stroke, but it can also be done by moving the back hand sideways before beginning the shot stroke and stroking straight at the new "pivoted" angle. I think the latter way (pivoting first and stroking straight) is more accurate and consistent.

Back hand english doesn't work as well with a low-squirt shaft. The technique is discussed here a lot - search for it and you'll learn a lot more about it.

pj
chgo

Yep I know, just said it was a nice demonstration and a way to do it just on the last stroke and last second

 

[West Point 1987]

IMHO the best part of the video is the part where he advocates running racks of 9 ball with no English, using only draw and follow to adjust the post-collision track of the CB. If you've never done this, do it for a few hours straight and be prepared to be amazed. I had a road player show me this about 20 years ago and I ignored him...now I realize I probably wasted a golden opportunity to be A LOT better than I am now.

I think there are better stroke drills than just firing 2,000 balls straight in the corner and watching your follow through line...but I'll let real instructors weigh in on that.

 

[Dave Nelson]

My head is spinning from CTE and my game, which wasn't much to begin with, is suffering accordingly.

But, I think I'll give this one a try.

Dave Nelson

 

[robsnotes4u]

First of all Neil, this was a perfectly good thread until you decided to pop in.

Everyone was happy with the Free video and the great deal on the Kicking Video.

I don't recall anyone asking you to critique Tors work. But, being typical Neil that you are, you can't resist.

This is where it starts.



Pretty low blow for a start don't you think. He seems to be missing the Whole picture? Not just a little bit but the Whole Picture. WOW!

And then you go to:



Another low blow by Neil. Why did you feel the need to go there in the first place?

And yet another one:



Directing people to watch Dave and Bob's videos, as if to say, hey Tor's videos are nothing but crap, if you really want to learn something go here.

And here is the real hypocritical part along with another Swan song.



No one was knocking anything re Tor's videos until you came along.
So here he is knocking Tor's videos and being his usual passive aggressive self blaming others for knocking him.

And like Wow, you gave AZ a second chance. Are we ever privileged.

OK, so here is the really good passive aggressive post.



Blaming me for trying to inflame this thread when all I did was keep this thread bumped as much as I could and tried to keep everyone enthusiastic
and informed on these 2 videos.

And he says: Enjoy the Shit - Hole you guys are turning the threads into.
Really Neil, it was a great thread until you turned into a crap pile. What a Hypocrite. You seem to have a propensity for this type of behavior.

Immortal, all you have to do is read Neils posts and you can see what the deal is.

He thinks he knows a little about the game and he has to try and rub everyone's nose in it and then he gets all Butt Hurt if someone says anything or disagrees with him.

Like I said Neil, A perfectly great thread until you decided to drop in and stir the pot. Re read your posts. You should actually be ashamed of yourself.

Thanks for destroying the thread. I also invited Tor to join AZ and I'd be willing to bet that he read this thread and decided not to join.

BTW - Tor probably isn't making a million giving away an instructional video and selling the other for 9 bucks. Did you even consider that you may have hurt his sales by your unwarranted critique in this thread? No, you wouldn't have thought of that would you. Would be the end of the world if someone did that to you tho.

Go eat some crayons, short bus.

Amen, let the truth be told.


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[JB Cases]

IMHO the best part of the video is the part where he advocates running racks of 9 ball with no English, using only draw and follow to adjust the post-collision track of the CB. If you've never done this, do it for a few hours straight and be prepared to be amazed. I had a road player show me this about 20 years ago and I ignored him...now I realize I probably wasted a golden opportunity to be A LOT better than I am now.

I think there are better stroke drills than just firing 2,000 balls straight in the corner and watching your follow through line...but I'll let real instructors weigh in on that.

One of and maybe the greatest English Billiards players who ever lived, Walter Lindrum, was reported to have only been allowed to train with one ball on the table for the first three years of his billiard career. He was only allowed to use that one ball to learn to put it any where on the table at will.

Now I can't imagine what that must have been like, the discipline, the longing to make billiards, the sheer agony of not being able to play "the game". But then he went on to be so dominant in the game that he had to spot the other pros ridiculous spots just to get played and he still crushed them. CRUSHED them. If Efren was as superior to the field as Walter was to his peers he could be spotting Scott Frost 10:4 and it wouldn't be close.

I can't bear to think of what my arm would feel like after drilling balls into the hole and focusing on keeping my cue dead straight for 100 times much less 1000 times or 2000 times. I have to think though that such a drill would get your arm in shape as far as being on autopilot for a straight stroke. You get the tactile feeling for hitting the cue ball but you don't have the pressure to worry about making an object ball. So maybe this drill is a pretty good one for the goal.

 

[TheThaiger]

One of and maybe the greatest English Billiards players who ever lived, Walter Lindrum, was reported to have only been allowed to train with one ball on the table for the first three years of his billiard career. He was only allowed to use that one ball to learn to put it any where on the table at will.

Now I can't imagine what that must have been like, the discipline, the longing to make billiards, the sheer agony of not being able to play "the game". But then he went on to be so dominant in the game that he had to spot the other pros ridiculous spots just to get played and he still crushed them. CRUSHED them. If Efren was as superior to the field as Walter was to his peers he could be spotting Scott Frost 10:4 and it wouldn't be close.

I can't bear to think of what my arm would feel like after drilling balls into the hole and focusing on keeping my cue dead straight for 100 times much less 1000 times or 2000 times. I have to think though that such a drill would get your arm in shape as far as being on autopilot for a straight stroke. You get the tactile feeling for hitting the cue ball but you don't have the pressure to worry about making an object ball. So maybe this drill is a pretty good one for the goal.

Billiards, with 3 balls, is boring enough, but to just play with a CB and nothing else for three years is beyond belief. It just goes to show something I've always thought - you can improve your knowledge of the table quite quickly if you can be bothered. All you need do is whack the CB around and plot where it goes, after adjusting each shot for English, speed etc.

A pen, a piece of paper, some imagination and an extremely high boredom threshold are all you need to learn the various systems that are out there. Trial and error are great teachers.

 

[TSW]

He's using "back hand english" - it's a way to add sidespin and automatically adjust your aim to compensate for squirt (cue ball deflection). He does it by moving his back hand sideways during the shot stroke, but it can also be done by moving the back hand sideways before beginning the shot stroke and stroking straight at the new "pivoted" angle. I think the latter way (pivoting first and stroking straight) is more accurate and consistent.

Back hand english doesn't work as well with a low-squirt shaft. The technique is discussed here a lot - search for it and you'll learn a lot more about it.

pj
chgo

Oh man. He's telling people to use BHE by way of a last-second swipe during the final stroke. That's a recipie for disaster for beginners. It will take far too long to develop a consistent stroke using that method.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

A pen, a piece of paper, some imagination and an extremely high boredom threshold are all you need to learn the various systems that are out there. Trial and error are great teachers.

After playing 8 ball for 10 hrs, I spent a good part of the games practicing using nothing but high and low to see the results. I have always used a considerable amount of English to move the cue ball around and was impressed by the results.

I know thats how we all had started out, center Q ball to OB, pot balls and take your next shot from where ever the Q ball lands.

Then when we start using English, at least for me, the rest kind of falls by the way side. So last night was a pleasant surprise to just move the Q ball around with either high or low.

Then for an hour, I used the Q ball and the one ball to practice the basic kicks from the first part of the video.

Of course, different 9 footer. So I adjusted by either 1/4 tip of English or moved the aiming point left or right a bit and no time at all, I was hitting the mark fairly consistently.

One hr was enuff for me for a start let alone 3 years. Thats dedication.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Oh man. He's telling people to use BHE by way of a last-second swipe during the final stroke. That's a recipie for disaster for beginners. It will take far too long to develop a consistent stroke using that method.

Exactly. As I mentioned before, I thought the kicking video was well done even if I thought parts of it could be better, but this video on BHE with a swoop stroke is just plain broken. To advise people who are just learning how to use side spin to do a swoop stroke is very likely to limit their development. A very disappointing video.

 

[TSW]

Exactly. As I mentioned before, I thought the kicking video was well done even if I thought parts of it could be better, but this video on BHE with a swoop stroke is just plain broken. To advise people who are just learning how to use side spin to do a swoop stroke is very likely to limit their development. A very disappointing video.

Like all instructional materials, the challenge here is to separate the wheat from the chaff. I agree that this particular treatment of back hand English is very disappointing, but I wouldn't apply that to the video as a whole. I've only watched bits and pieces of the free version but all in all I think it's one of the better free videos out there.

 

[JB Cases]

Exactly. As I mentioned before, I thought the kicking video was well done even if I thought parts of it could be better, but this video on BHE with a swoop stroke is just plain broken. To advise people who are just learning how to use side spin to do a swoop stroke is very likely to limit their development. A very disappointing video.

This is at the end after he already said to develop a perfect stroke. And before getting into bhe he says don't do it until you have got a straight stroke.



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[Blue Hog ridr]

So its like saying, learn to sky Dive first before you attempt to pack your own chute?

 

[MyImmortal]

This is at the end after he already said to develop a perfect stroke. And before getting into bhe he says don't do it until you have got a straight stroke.



www.jbcases.com

That is what I heard as well, but even if I had not heard that part, as a player who still has a great deal to learn to even be considered an average player by some people's standards, I would know that I should not try using english as described in the video without being more advanced in my game. I once had a paid instructor at a recreation center tell me emphatically that he wasn't going to "babysit," and encouraged me to trust my own instincts, which ultimately helped me gain confidence. If not for that confidence I developed, I'm not sure I would have advanced beyond the beginner stage.

 

[nobcitypool]

I watched the free video a couple of times and also purchased the kicking video. Everything didn't seem PERFECTLY correct and I didn't agree with a few things. With that said, I thought both videos were done quite well and had a lot of valuable content. A GREAT bargain IMHO.

I've bought and watched a ton of pool videos and have yet to find a perfect one. The videos referenced in this thread were, IMHO, about the same value in knowledge as what was provided in the Break & Run video I paid $80 or $90 for. To be clear, I thought the Break & Run DVD was done quite well and was worth every penny.

I thought his version of BHE was BS to be honest. So what? I simply discarded that piece of information. One bad apple doesn't ruin the entire basket. To get caught up on one or two minor segments of a video is kind of like getting on a thread you disagree with by reading the subject and then comment how stupid the thread is. Just freaking ignore it if you disagree. That doesn't mean you shouldn't log into AZ because of the one thread.

I'm looking forward to the breaking video when it comes available.

 

[RG1]

I shoot his technique of BHE "sometimes" i have no problems with or how he described it?

 

[ENGLISH!]

I once had a paid instructor at a recreation center tell me emphatically that he wasn't going to "babysit," and encouraged me to trust my own instincts, which ultimately helped me gain confidence. If not for that confidence I developed, I'm not sure I would have advanced beyond the beginner stage.[/QUOTE]

That's my feelings as well. From coaching other sports I've learned to find out players' abilities ASAP so as to not hold them back or expect too much of them. There seems to be a preponderance on AZB by some to 'baby sit' & keep advancement at a governed paced. Why, I'm not exactly sure. I do not know how one knows if one is being held back or not, if one never ventures out beyond their comfort zone. Nothing ventured...nothing gained. If one ventures out & gets their fingers burned a bit, one can always retreat back inside their comfort zone. At least they got a look at where they might one day want to go. Then it's their choose, stay in the stagnant state of their comfort zone or venture onward.

Just my $0.02 on the subject,

 

[TheThaiger]

I've bought and watched a ton of pool videos and have yet to find a perfect one. The videos referenced in this thread were, IMHO, about the same value in knowledge as what was provided in the Break & Run video I paid $80 or $90 for. To be clear, I thought the Break & Run DVD was done quite well and was worth every penny.

$80-90? That's scandalous.