Smart or bad sportsmanship???

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Pride Hunter

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I had a situation in league where the 8 ball was setting in the corner pocket with my ball up against it and the long rail. Another one of my balls was about 4 inches away down the short rail. I managed to hook my opp. twice in the game getting ball in hand both times and got my balls out without making the 8 and won the game. After the match a teammate said when I got the first ball in hand why didn't I just take a foul and drop the cue ball in the corner pocket hitting the 8 and kicking it and my ball out of the pocket? A smart play or unsportsman like conduct???
 
The way I see it; anything that allows you to manipulate the lay of the table within the rules is fair game.

After all, pool is often more of a chess match rather than a break and run opportunity.

In one pocket opponets will often sink an opponents ball lying in the mouth of the pocket and intentionally scratch behind it because it causes the ball that was pocketed to be spotted.

If there is an unsportsmanlike ruling that applies...I'd be curious to hear it.
 
I have no inclination to investigate, but I think that might be able to be considered as an illlegal shot by an official. I would consider it unsportmanlike conduct if I were the official.

Didn't we just do this in a Chris Banks thread?
 
Not sure I understand...

Pride Hunter said:
I had a situation in league where the 8 ball was setting in the corner pocket with my ball up against it and the long rail. Another one of my balls was about 4 inches away down the short rail. I managed to hook my opp. twice in the game getting ball in hand both times and got my balls out without making the 8 and won the game. After the match a teammate said when I got the first ball in hand why didn't I just take a foul and drop the cue ball in the corner pocket hitting the 8 and kicking it and my ball out of the pocket? A smart play or unsportsman like conduct???
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U mean dropping the cue ball literally from your hand into the pocket with intention of hitting 8 on its way down???
 
I wouldn't advise making this move gambling if you want to get paid. The ruling I would make would be putting the balls back where they were, and yes it would be bad sportsmanship to try any move.
 
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U mean dropping the cue ball literally from your hand into the pocket with intention of hitting 8 on its way down???
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That's what I assumed he meant and if so, that would be a foul..."changing the position of the balls in play other than by a shot" in any rule set I've ever heard of.

If he meant to SHOOT to hit the 8 ball first and knock both balls to different positions while scratching...nothing wrong with that.

But if the balls were moved manually...without a legal stroke...I'd have to look at the various rule sets to see whether the balls would be replaced as closely as possible, or if they stay down and the incoming player gets BIH.

Other than that, he can and SHOULD do everything he wants to change the layout of the balls...even if doing so causes a scratch...jumping a ball off the table etc. But NO unsportsmanlike conduct if it was a legal stroke.

But either way...the opponent would have to be a pretty lame player to give him BIH and an 8 ball out it the open.



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EagleMan
 
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If you dropped the cue ball and made the 8, the ball would get put back in the same spot and your opponent would get ball in hand, sounds like a stupid move and a good way to get your ass beat. Sounds like you need to find a team without jackoffs that like to make moves.
 
If you move the balls without taking a shot, I would bet the league rules would allow the other player an option to put them back.
 
Your friend who suggested that ploy is a complete nerd and let him know how the players on here who think that move is retarded would love to spot him the seven.
 
While I do not know the IPPA rules, but in *most* rules on pool games, to intentionally move one or more balls WITHOUT a stroke is unsportsman like conduct, and could result in forfeiture of the game.

To do it accidentally, is a foul. To do it intentionally is bad sportsmanship.

The other question I have, is after you knocked the 8, and your other ball out of the pocket, and gave up ball in hand. What was keeping your opponent from running out at that point? It sounds as though you controlled the table by playing safe, and working to get your balls freed up.
 
So you really did mean just DROP THE BALL into the pocket....that's horrible advice...your opponent will likely have grounds to call game ending foul, unsportsmanlike conduct, and none will matter, cuz with ball in hand, and you bumping the 8 open, he will just pop the 8 in anyway...what was your friend thinking?
 
I too do not understand how you knock both balls out of the corner pocket, give your opponent ball-in-hand (by the cueball being "dropped" into the corner pocket), and him NOT getting out. My understanding of the OP is that there was only your two balls and the 8-ball left on the table. Is this correct?

Please elaborate how you managed to win this game.

And yes, if you hand "dropped" the cueball into the pocket intentionally and struck balls on the table on the way in, that constitutes bad sportsmanship imo.

Maniac (methinks your friend/teammate didn't think this one out very well)
 
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Cheating, forfeit of game, and a total jackass move by someone with no respect for the game.

That pretty much sums up that move in my book.
 
Totally dumb move, nothing at that point would stop the other guy from shooting the 8 in uncontested. Plus that would be un-sportsman like conduct.

Black Cat :cool:
 
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No, it was early in the game and all my balls were on the table. Thats how I hooked him twice for BIH to break them out anyways. I agree with you all that reguardless of the rules, It would be a chicken chit way of getting out of a game. His balls were in a bad way anyways so he couldnt have gotten out and I still beat him. Just wondering more on the rules per say against this. Thnx for everyones oppinion!
 
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