PRO PLAYERS AND INSTRUCTORS - Why the controversy?

Like I've said many times, I'm friends with Randy G, his pool school here in Dallas and as far as I know we've never even had a disagreement. I played league with him and he even beat me the last time we played. I shook his hand and told him "nice game, you played well", there was not even the slightest animosity.

I've lost more pool games that most people could lose in their life times. I"ve won several too, but it's based on playing hundreds of thousands of games in my life time. I've always felt you have to learn how to lose to truly learn how to win in life.

People refer to me posting on here as advertising, yet this is a forum and many people advertise themselves, their products, their expertise and their opinions. Why am I so different. I do advertise, but it's on TV, Radio and in print ads. Most of my writing will be used in a book that's coming out later this year. I have one I'm doing on my road experiences and one on my instructional experiences with golf, tennis, martial arts, and of course pool.

Most people know I'm in the bar and restaurant business for the past 20 years, not the pool business. I do this as a hobby and use it to try to help other people with their games. There is very little money in this and overall since I've been posting on azbilliards I've spent much more than I can ever hope to make.

I've given away over 20 DVDs to members here,as well as signed posters and other memorabilia in "Goodwill" and in hopes that it makes someone happy. I do get more aggressive with the pictures and posts when people start attacking me personally, and who doesn't have a self defense mechanism? I've been attacked quite a bit and continue to be by lou, neal, pjslasher, scott, duckie, and others with "hidden identities".

This is not unusual in the least to me, I"ve been scrutinized ever since I became a champion player, but so does pros from other sports and certainly other pros in pool. If you don't have "haters" in life you're probably not making an impact is what Hank Haney used to tell me.

He wrote a book on Tiger Woods and his experience coaching him and got attacked from numerous people, far more than could ever attack me on this forum. Does he complain or fret about it? Not at all, he laughs about it because he knows it's part of being in the public light. These attacks say more about the person saying them than the people they are said about. On here "some" hide behind secret identities and they have the least impact because everyone knows what they are secretly doing on here.

I will continue to try to help people on here with their games and my azbilliards videos are due out soon. The whole reason I ever started on here is to help this web site with supplying video content to their new video department. I have 12 web sites I work with, this is one I do for fun and entertainment.

So far I really like most of the people I've encountered on here and have made many new friends and of course I'm back in touch with hundreds of old friends from years ago. I like Randy G. and if he posts something about his school on one of my threads I would not even give it a second glance. I'm of the opinion that people on here can write whatever they want as long as it's civil and not some kind of personal attack on anyone.

There is always a level of professionalism that can be maintained in the Game or in this Forum. "The Game and This Forum are the Teacher'

Let's make one thing clear CJ. Yes, I have "attacked" you. But ONLY in self defense AFTER you attacked me first. The fact that you take as an "attack" any disagreement with what you say is on you and you only. In EACH case of the above named people, you attacked and made slurs about us when we offered help or clarification on what you were trying to say. Many on here have seen it, and also, many on here feel you are a pro and should be free to post whatever you want with no one else saying a word about it unless it's positive.

Stan Shuffet, Max Eberle, John Brumback, Joe Tucker, yourself...(sorry to any I left out), you are all pros that post on here about instruction. John came on here with total humility and asked the instructors about a certain shot that he was going to have in his new DVD because he wanted to make sure that what he was saying was correct. You don't see the others getting attacked with the exception of Lou and Pat on Stan about CTE. So, it's not about "keeping pros away". Pros are more than welcome here, just don't expect to get idolized by everyone on here just because you are a pro. You get on here and your ego is so big you expect whatever you say to be taken as gospel when some of it just plain isn't correct. And, as soon as someone else points out that it is incorrect, you start insulting them and mocking them and making up nonsense about them. You did it to me, and to Scott also.

You see, for you it's an ego thing. For the rest of us, it's not. Sure, others have knocked Pat and me for ego, but they couldn't be farther from the truth on that. If it was ego, I wouldn't have erased over 9,000 posts from here. If it was ego, Pat wouldn't be so stubborn about what is reality. ONE thing Pat was wrong on is how CTE works. He never could get his head around it, but I do give him credit for standing his ground on his beliefs. The rest, he is seldom wrong on.

We both have one interest in mind, to actually help others play better. We make sure that whenever we give what is just our opinion, to make it clear it is just that. Most of what we post is just plain facts that can't be altered. We both believe that if you take and learn the facts of pool, what does what and why it does that, that one can then take from that and build themselves a real good game. And in a lot less time than just by feel. When you know what does what, your game doesn't drop much from not playing for a while. When you go just by feel, you can lose your game forever taking a break.

No pro is going to make anyone a champion on this forum. It's just not going to happen. One can know everything there is to know about pool, which happens to be quite a bit, and still not be a champion because knowing the actual physics of what happens and why is only the first step. With that knowledge, one knows how to make the ob and the cb do what they want it to do. But, as we all know, it takes many hours on the table to develop the touch to do it correctly. We all have heard of players that were better than world championship caliber on the practice table, but couldn't cut the mustard in competition. That is the part that actually makes a champion or not, the mental part. As you have stated, your killer instinct. Without that, one is stuck as a shortstop or low level pro.

Your TOI is a prime example of what I am talking about. For YOU, it has worked, and worked great. YOU found something that you think you do, and made the game simpler for YOU. However, what you fail to realize, is that what you think you are doing, and what you are actually doing is two different things. For YOU, that doesn't matter. It works, and works great. The problem arises when you start telling others about it. Whether in the true interest of wanting to help them or not. It's a problem because it doesn't fit reality of what happens on a pool table. It doesn't because you aren't doing what you think you are doing. So, when others try it, they start having problems with it. They have problems, because it just plain can't work the way you describe it. There are underlying principles that help them for a while, and some have actually said it helps them. However, in their descriptions of it, it's not what you say to do. They are helped not from a placebo effect, but because they started doing something they should have been doing all along, and that is staying closer to center cb.

You say you are good friends with Randy, if you think I am attacking here, you couldn't be more wrong. Go ask Randy what he really thinks about what you have posted about it. I don't believe there is an instructor on here that doesn't realize what you are actually doing, and why it has helped you, and at the same time, why it will hurt most on here. Most of your biggest fans on here have said that they had to give up on it because they couldn't get it to work the way you said it does. They can't get it to work as described, because it doesn't work as you described it.

It's not an attack saying you don't actually do what you think you are doing, 99% of people are the same way. You find what works for you, and odds are it's not really what you think it is. That's exactly why so many have trouble with drawing a ball, they simply aren't hitting the cb where they think they are. Scott asked you to have Randy film you and show you what you are actually looking at, your ego right away took it as an attack, when there was none. You want to help people play better, GREAT! Then don't go telling things that can't possibly be true, but tell them the truth about what actually happens. If you don't know what the truth is about how things actually work on a table, then stick with what you do know about, the mental aspect... which is the only thing that separates shortstops from the pros, and the pros from the elite pros.

You know as well as anybody, that there isn't a thing you can do on a table that a low level pro or shortstop can't also do except consistency. And that comes from the mind and solid fundamentals.

Now, this was all said soley in the context of a converstion. If you want to take it as another "attack", which it is not, that's on you, and anyone else that feels that it is another nube attacking a pro again. If that's really how any of you feel, well, there's not much I can do about that except to say "look at yourself, on why you feel the way you do".
 
Let me preface my remarks by saying that you, CJ, are an exception to the rule. For the most part, there are few who find the time to become elite players and instructors, and that's because each has a full-time job in attaining and maintaining excellence in his/her chosen pursuit, whether it be playing or instructing. You, on the other had, are among the few that has managed to find the time to excel at both, including the development of cutting edge training mnaterials.

The reason there's a little bit of friction between players and instructors is that there is so little money to be made in competing these days that many professional players who'd rather not do so have turned to instruction to help make ends meet. This makes them competitors with those who focus solely on pool instruction, and each has a financial motive to discredit the other's capabilities to instruct.

In short, in most other sports, the money is in playing, not in instructing, but sad times for pool have, more than ever, made the professional player and the professional instructor rivals in the instruction business, which pays over $50 per hour.

Hence, the controversy. If players made a big income from playing, I doubt many of them would wish to be instructors until after their retirement from competition.

Your posts on this forum are well presented, insightful, and they are made with respect for other members of this forum. You also respond with clarity and civility to the posts of others. That you give your own products and services a push in the context of forum discussions is, in my view, prefectly reasonable. I think that you are a credit to this forum.

I couldn't disagree with you more on this Stu. There aren't enough instructors to go around. NO ONE is worried about losing students to another instructor. Often times, a student is referred to another instructor instead of making sure he doesn't "lose a sale".

And, as far as CJ being respectful to other posters, sorry, but I find that laughable. CJ is the ONLY "instructor" that has gone out of his way to mock and slander others at every turn. Which is exactly what has caused the angst between him and others on here. You don't see that problem with the other pro instructors on here.
 
I felt that same feeling deep in my soul. this time I went out and played basketball

As I have said before, you are doing good things here.......but remember the funny saying from Judge Judy........"No good deed goes unpunished".........
It's part of life, no?




I had a good friend that once was a professional baseball player. He was a lot of fun to be around and we used to play golf two or three times a week. He was a charismatic guy that had a "way with the ladies," and I took a lot of mental notes when he interacted with people, especially women, and still to this day he was the "best I've ever seen".

He also played scratch golf and could consistently beat me, sometimes it was close and I would win (9 holes) occasionally, for the most part I never could win an entire day. He also "razzed" me about it and, with my competitive nature it was difficult to tolerate at times.

Many times I had to just take a deep breath to keep from snapping back at him and saying something that would not have been very positive. Or just snapping his neck, which also would not have been good for our friendship (I'm kidding of course).

One day after he beat me playing golf and rubbed it in my face the usual egotistic way he wanted to go to the pool room with me. He also played pool pretty decent and could run a rack on a 9' table once an hour or so. So, I agreed and we went to my pool room. When we got there he said "you haven't been playing very much lately, I bet you can't beat me playing pool right now either."

I looked at him and something deep in my soul started to churn....he was stirring up my killer instinct at a level I hadn't felt in a while, maybe sense I was gambling for a living. I said "you really think so....get the balls and let's find out!"

To make a long story short, I went into a deep trance, Dead Stroke is what we road players used to call it. I beat him over 50 games in a row and rarely even gave him a shot at his pocket. I did this without remembering much, like I always did when I gambled, except we weren't gambling for money. I guess the stakes were higher, we were betting our pride or maybe ego, I'll never really know. I just know not to "bet" with friends unless it can be a friendly "dollar amount".

After it was over, I "woke up" out of my trance and smiled at him. He didn't smile back, something had happened to him and I"ll never honestly know what that was for sure. You see I never saw him again.....he completely disappeared and would never return my messages. Still to this day I haven't seen him and that was over 8 years ago. I lost a good friend over a silly pool game, and it was because I couldn't control my killer instinct and desire to, not only win, but to demoralize my opponent.

I'm not proud of this quality, and I can't "destroy it," like the dragon or demon it can't be destroyed it can only be identified and trained to act in a different manner.....our dragons can not be killed educated from my past experience and what I'm told by older, wiser men. This seems true of all "character defects".

This {Dragon behavior} was my M.O. in my gambling days and there are many people that can attest to it. I was not a very nice guy to gamble with, not because of what I said or did, it was more because I didn't say anything and usually never even acknowledged my opponent. Other players said years later, "it was like the light was on, but you were not at home".

This is the way I learned to gamble when it was "life or death," and it's difficult to turn this "on and off." So I learned that important lesson years ago and for the first time yesterday when a guy challenged me to "give him the 2 out and the breaks {in the azbilliards Forum, out of "ego"},"

I felt that same feeling deep in my soul. Except this time I went out and played basketball (relaxing with Mary Avina) and when I came back I was feeling enlightened with a feeling of well being, not a feeling of "killer instinct" or negativity. Thank God! We're never to old to change {smiling}.

Today I am approaching things differently, and although I am still excited about releasing my new TOI video I will respect the fact that I can be overbearing at times. Not to sell, just to share something that I believe will make a difference in the world....the pool world that is.

I am also grateful that I didn't say or do something yesterday that could have cost me a friend or someone's future friendship. You see I am the student and, yes......'The Game/Life is the Teacher'
 
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I'm sure you're a gentle, loving, and caring man down deep. Thanks for being you.

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I did this without remembering much, like I always did when I gambled, except we weren't gambling for money. I guess the stakes were higher, we were betting our pride or maybe ego, I'll never really know.

I can just hear the grumbling now from all the so-called gamblers on this forum that says that you have to play for money to bring out your best game.

Pride/ego.....higher stakes than money......WOW is all I can say, hearing this from an ex-road warrior.

But THANK YOU for saying this. It needed to be said and comes from someone who has seen ALL walks of the pool life!!!

Maniac
 
We are all standing on each others shoulders and not one of us is The Teacher...

Let me preface my remarks by saying that you, CJ, are an exception to the rule. For the most part, there are few who find the time to become elite players and instructors, and that's because each has a full-time job in attaining and maintaining excellence in his/her chosen pursuit, whether it be playing or instructing. You, on the other had, are among the few that has managed to find the time to excel at both, including the development of cutting edge training mnaterials.

The reason there's a little bit of friction between players and instructors is that there is so little money to be made in competing these days that many professional players who'd rather not do so have turned to instruction to help make ends meet. This makes them competitors with those who focus solely on pool instruction, and each has a financial motive to discredit the other's capabilities to instruct.

In short, in most other sports, the money is in playing, not in instructing, but sad times for pool have, more than ever, made the professional player and the professional instructor rivals in the instruction business, which pays over $50 per hour.

Hence, the controversy. If players made a big income from playing, I doubt many of them would wish to be instructors until after their retirement from competition.

Your posts on this forum are well presented, insightful, and they are made with respect for other members of this forum. You also respond with clarity and civility to the posts of others. That you give your own products and services a push in the context of forum discussions is, in my view, prefectly reasonable. I think that you are a credit to this forum.

Thanks SJM, I appreciate you taking the time to say these things. The things I share are from my experience, guidance and wisdom hanging around Efren, Earl, Johnny, Dallas West, Omaha John, LA Keith, Junior Weldon, Shane V., Jimmy Rempe, Mike Sigel, Fransisco Bustemante, Dennis Orcollo, Roger Griffis, Bobby D., S.A. John, Mike Sigel, Jersey Red, Eddie Taylor, Jerry Brock, Tony Ellin, Rafael Martinez, Mike Lebron, Buddy Hall, Kim Davenport, Dick Lane, Jeremy Jones, Dennis Hatch, Brandon S., Mike D. and the list goes on and on. We are all standing on each others shoulders and not one of us is The Teacher......'The Game is Our Teacher'
 
incentives to have a life filled with enjoyment, good will, and respect.

I can just hear the grumbling now from all the so-called gamblers on this forum that says that you have to play for money to bring out your best game.

Pride/ego.....higher stakes than money......WOW is all I can say, hearing this from an ex-road warrior.

But THANK YOU for saying this. It needed to be said and comes from someone who has seen ALL walks of the pool life!!!

Maniac

No, money is just a way to "keep score". There are much better motivators and incentives to have a life filled with enjoyment, good will, and respect.

I learned from being in the hospitality business that even for restaurant staff money is the third biggest motivator. First is being around people they like and second is a friendly work environment and atmosphere. Money, we all need to survive and provide our quality of life, and as my mentor Dalton Leong use to tell me "CJ, let money only be a result and never an incentive in your life".....I've lived by that and, even with ups and downs and swings of tens of millions I still believe it to be the best way to live. The Game is my Teacher'
 
I couldn't disagree with you more on this Stu. There aren't enough instructors to go around. NO ONE is worried about losing students to another instructor. Often times, a student is referred to another instructor instead of making sure he doesn't "lose a sale".

I'm not sure I agree. I haven't seen a single instructor that was too busy to take on anyone new, unless they were also road pros and just not physically in that state. Even with the instructors who travel, seems like most of them still have openings in their classes, even the day before the class is due to begin.
 
you represent the 99% and I appreciate you caring

I for one am thankful for any info that you (CJ) and any other pros GIVE to me. I dont think the bashers could even screw your cue together without fouling. I would give anything to be able to play at your level so any little bit I get for FREE like you are giving us is appreciated.

Thanks, I know you represent the 99% and I appreciate you caring enough to say something positive.

I just stopped in on my way to get my new TOI stuff.....aloha, CJ
 
You see, for you it's an ego thing. For the rest of us, it's not. Sure, others have knocked Pat and me for ego, but they couldn't be farther from the truth on that. If it was ego, I wouldn't have erased over 9,000 posts from here.

Did you really just say this?

The fact that you deleted over 9,000 posts is absolute 100% proof positive that this is about your severely wounded ego. It's probably the most petty thing you've ever done and you should be embarrassed to mention it.

If you TRULY cared about helping others, and you STRONGLY feel your posts help others, then you would have left them up in the hopes that someone could benefit from your wisdom.

I just want to know, are you still physically and mentally capable of posting useful, instructional material anymore? Like some of the ones you deleted? Or will all future posts look like:

You insult someone for making it clear that it was NOT an insult,
has gone out of his way to mock and slander others at every turn
AFTER you attacked me first
You see, when some people on here don't like what you have to say, or just can't handle the truth
felt the need to twist the few words I said
trying to run me down

The pity party posts accomplish nothing, you will NOT change any hearts or minds with them, every keystroke is wasted time, why not start contributing more signal and less noise?
 
It's over 9,000!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Like I've said many times, I'm friends with Randy G, his pool school here in Dallas and as far as I know we've never even had a disagreement. I played league with him and he even beat me the last time we played. I shook his hand and told him "nice game, you played well", there was not even the slightest animosity.

I've lost more pool games that most people could lose in their life times. I"ve won several too, but it's based on playing hundreds of thousands of games in my life time. I've always felt you have to learn how to lose to truly learn how to win in life.

People refer to me posting on here as advertising, yet this is a forum and many people advertise themselves, their products, their expertise and their opinions. Why am I so different. I do advertise, but it's on TV, Radio and in print ads. Most of my writing will be used in a book that's coming out later this year. I have one I'm doing on my road experiences and one on my instructional experiences with golf, tennis, martial arts, and of course pool.

Most people know I'm in the bar and restaurant business for the past 20 years, not the pool business. I do this as a hobby and use it to try to help other people with their games. There is very little money in this and overall since I've been posting on azbilliards I've spent much more than I can ever hope to make.

I've given away over 20 DVDs to members here,as well as signed posters and other memorabilia in "Goodwill" and in hopes that it makes someone happy. I do get more aggressive with the pictures and posts when people start attacking me personally, and who doesn't have a self defense mechanism? I've been attacked quite a bit and continue to be by lou, neal, pjslasher, scott, duckie, and others with "hidden identities".

This is not unusual in the least to me, I"ve been scrutinized ever since I became a champion player, but so does pros from other sports and certainly other pros in pool. If you don't have "haters" in life you're probably not making an impact is what Hank Haney used to tell me.

He wrote a book on Tiger Woods and his experience coaching him and got attacked from numerous people, far more than could ever attack me on this forum. Does he complain or fret about it? Not at all, he laughs about it because he knows it's part of being in the public light. These attacks say more about the person saying them than the people they are said about. On here "some" hide behind secret identities and they have the least impact because everyone knows what they are secretly doing on here.

I will continue to try to help people on here with their games and my azbilliards videos are due out soon. The whole reason I ever started on here is to help this web site with supplying video content to their new video department. I have 12 web sites I work with, this is one I do for fun and entertainment.

So far I really like most of the people I've encountered on here and have made many new friends and of course I'm back in touch with hundreds of old friends from years ago. I like Randy G. and if he posts something about his school on one of my threads I would not even give it a second glance. I'm of the opinion that people on here can write whatever they want as long as it's civil and not some kind of personal attack on anyone.

There is always a level of professionalism that can be maintained in the Game or in this Forum. "The Game and This Forum are the Teacher'

you're sure as welcome to say anything you like here as far as i'm concerned. it's good to have a reliable source and established player post on here. wish more would . regards.
 
The answer to the issue just may be this.

Have you ever been the king of something? If you have, do you remember the feeling when you were first called a has been, or washed up. Go ahead, take a minute and search out that feeling. We have all been there. Did you revive that feeling? How did it feel?

I believe that is the same feeling some guys are having right now. Not CJ, or Stevie because they are the new kings. So to make the dying kings feel good, the dying kings must bash the new kings, trying to keep their people in line. Not knowing if they embraced these ideas that have worked for the upper players, their own kingdom would grow instead of die.

Their goal, instead, is to push these ideas and new kings out.

Funny thing about forums, people think because you have been here longer, and have posted more that you are the ruler. It isn't easy joining a forum, you are bullied by many.

Though I may not agree with some ideas in here, it doesn't matter, I am just a banger, but I love the game. What other sport can you sit down with a top notch payer and discuss your game and his? I had the great opportunity to sit with Jeff Beckley, John Morra, Brandon Shuff, Stevie Moore, Melissa little, SVB and others last year and they all treated me with great respect. I think these guys deserve it back




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This is like seeing how a movie is made, and never getting to experience the movie

The answer to the issue just may be this.

Have you ever been the king of something? If you have, do you remember the feeling when you were first called a has been, or washed up. Go ahead, take a minute and search out that feeling. We have all been there. Did you revive that feeling? How did it feel?

I believe that is the same feeling some guys are having right now. Not CJ, or Stevie because they are the new kings. So to make the dying kings feel good, the dying kings must bash the new kings, trying to keep their people in line. Not knowing if they embraced these ideas that have worked for the upper players, their own kingdom would grow instead of die.

Their goal, instead, is to push these ideas and new kings out.

Funny thing about forums, people think because you have been here longer, and have posted more that you are the ruler. It isn't easy joining a forum, you are bullied by many.

Though I may not agree with some ideas in here, it doesn't matter, I am just a banger, but I love the game. What other sport can you sit down with a top notch payer and discuss your game and his? I had the great opportunity to sit with Jeff Beckley, John Morra, Brandon Shuff, Stevie Moore, Melissa little, SVB and others last year and they all treated me with great respect. I think these guys deserve it back




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That's interesting, I really don't know the history of this Forum, however, I do wonder what these "kings" found compelling to talk about?

Without any pros around there's really not much to debate, especially if it's all about the "physics" of the Game. This is like seeing how a movie is made, and never getting to experience the actual movie. imho


P.S. - I tried being a "king" one time (owning Carson's Palace) and it wasn't' a good "fit" for me. If you follow any of the archetypes, I'm certainly not "the king" and would never want that role again.
Warrior or Magician is much more exciting than sitting on a "throne". ;)

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The Man In The Arena

I value so much the information the "PRO PLAYERS AND INSTRUCTORS" have provided on this forum, and as well the many discussions of competition that gave some great perspective. For all who share their lives in such a way with others that have similar affinities is truly appreciated by many. A special thanks for your effort as this years captain of the "Mosconi Cup" team. This title refers to a great quote that makes me think in this instance,you are the man!
 
Your posts on this forum are well presented, insightful, and they are made with respect for other members of this forum. You also respond with clarity and civility to the posts of others. That you give your own products and services a push in the context of forum discussions is, in my view, prefectly reasonable. I think that you are a credit to this forum.


Respect and civility?

Sorry, Stu, but you need to go back and read through his posting history. To CJ, disagreeing with him is tantamount to an "attack." Then his passive-aggressive MO is to mock those who have dared to disagree with him with silly pictures. Personally, I don't care about his condescending attitude but people shouldn't get sucked into believing his posting history here has been as pure as the driven snow.

Lou Figueroa
 
CJ, I don't don't often post here but I come here and read a lot. Your TOI technique has helped me a lot in my ball pocketing consistency. I have no desire to become a pro pool player at my age of 40. I enjoy playing the game and simply want to be as good as I am capable of being. Nothing more. I'm play in APA League and just a lowly SL7 in 8-Ball and SL8 in 9-Ball. I don't have a perfect stroke, nor do I care to spend thousands of hours trying to attempt to have a perfect stroke. So, when I read here and learn of something that can help me pocket balls a little better than I do now, can help me be a little more consistent than I am now, I give it a try. Especially when that advice is coming from a pro player in the field.

That said, I plan on buying your instructional DVD or downloads because I've already implemented some TOI on some of my shots to the best of my understanding and it has worked wonders so far.
 
I have noticed today's young generation have very little patience to listening to older people, not sure if it is the computer age that did it or what;

Every single person not in your generation got a hold of computer and that screwed us up so bad, we no longer have any patience.

Kids these days.
 
Respect and civility?

Sorry, Stu, but you need to go back and read through his posting history. To CJ, disagreeing with him is tantamount to an "attack." Then his passive-aggressive MO is to mock those who have dared to disagree with him with silly pictures. Personally, I don't care about his condescending attitude but people shouldn't get sucked into believing his posting history here has been as pure as the driven snow.

Lou Figueroa

Disagreeing with CJ is not tantamount to an attack. Calling him a scammer and snake oil salesman is, however, and that's what your crew has been quoted as saying. That's pretty much why your boy got banned.

Not sure how you think CJ can have a condescending attitude when he's on here all the time answering PMs for FREE helping strangers he doesn't know and never once put anyone on blast.

Funny, you described YOURSELF in your own post:

Sorry, Stu, but you need to go back and read through MY posting history. To ME, disagreeing with ME is tantamount to an "attack." Then MY passive-aggressive MO (you know, the: ;) )is to mock those who have dared to disagree with ME with passive-aggressive insults followed by smiley faces. Personally, I know you don't care about MY condescending attitude but people shouldn't get sucked into believing MY posting history here has been as pure as the driven snow.

Someone quote this so Lou can read. I'm in his bit-bucket, along with everyone who disagrees with him.
 
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