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DrClean

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How do you guys feel about splitting in tournaments? I get kinda bummed if I spend a few hours watching a streamed tourney, only to have the last two split :embarrassed2: But on the other hand it can be a wise decision financially for road players.
 
A lot of times with small tournaments the money difference isn't that big so splitting can make sense. Other times, I have had the owners tell us that we are splitting or strongly encourage us to split because they want to go a little early. I split every once in a while and don't see an issue with doing so in weekly tournaments or non-calcutta tournaments. There are some tournaments that I would never think about splitting and a few examples are memorial tournaments, big calcutta tournaments, or more prestigious tournaments (in my eyes). I am not a legitimate threat to be in a position to split a truly presitigious tournament.

In some cases I think it is way better to split than play it out. The main example for that is if I am partnered up with a buddy or am travelling. If it is set that we are splitting money regardless and there are no limitations such as calcutta, etc. and it isn't required that the finals is played out then it is much better to split and not play than to play it out without "care" and risk someone betting on the sidelines on a meaningless match. In that case I think it is better because you stop a potential bad bet that someone could make which could lead to bad feelings or worse if they find out we really weren't trying out best in that match.
 
We have guys here in Arizona that will split every time they get to the finals.

As media, it drives me absolutely crazy!!!

Mike
 
If you haven't paid to watch the matches, it's non of your business if the two finalists split it or not.

I think it's wise to split if the match is a coin-toss. Or split the majority of the 1st and 2nd place money combined and play for a small part of it.
 
i'm an old guy and haven't stayed awake until 3am in decades until i was a finalist in a 9 ball match. i had been playing since 5 pm the afternoon before...i was barely hanging onto conciousness, so i'm about to play the other finalist and he asks me, "you wanna split?", my rapid response, "no, i came here to play so let's get it on". :cool:
 
DrClean said:
How do you guys feel about splitting in tournaments? I get kinda bummed if I spend a few hours watching a streamed tourney, only to have the last two split :embarrassed2: But on the other hand it can be a wise decision financially for road players.
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American pool players aren't gunslingers, they're socialists.
Hence the repeated socialistic threads demanding somebody, anybody, Money Me, by subsidizing where no discernible value is offered.
Splitting pots is just one more indication of the lack of value offered by the sport to prospective angels - The Fix Is In.
 
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I like seeing final matches being played out, but I understand splitting. In a double elimination tournament, on top of the late hour, the player in the winners bracket has been sitting around a while waiting for a final match. Then if the finals are a single game and the player from the winners bracket doesn't get 2 chances, I can understand opting to split.

For years, the Super Bowl sucked because it was a blow out. But the playoffs those years were great. I want to see great pool matches.
 
I like to split if the finals are being played late at night,particularly if It's a week night and I have to be at work by 5 am the next day. Once I offered a split during a weeknight tournament and got the same story oh I want to play blah blah blah. Fine have it your way, I played sloooooow, painfully slow and drilled the guy just to make a point. I felt really good but going to work on 1 hour of sleep is not so great. Point is, alot of players do the split because we have other things in life to get back to, a possible 2 set finals for over an hour isn't very practicle on a Tuesday :)
 
Why don't we celebrate it?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...h8gswyvw5VcHnDHZQqB3_qQ&bvm=bv.41248874,d.dmQ
Peter Mel and his big-wave brothers share Mavericks Invitational spoilsFinalists decide to split the prize money, and the perfect surfThe scene from the water at Mavericks on Sunday was chaotic, with more than 50 watercraft vying for position to view the best big-wave surfers in the world compete in the annual invitational. Photo: Grant Ellis
Peter Mel wasn't the only winner at Mavericks on Sunday. While the 43-year-old big-wave surfer from Santa Cruz, California, finally bagged the Mavericks Invitational title that's eluded him for more than a decade, he shared the spoils of his victory with the other finalists.
 
Mavericks is not going to make it

I was doing triage at Mavericks 2 years ago it was not pretty.

Jeff Clark the founder was kicked out.
The new guy's were not surfers, Jeff warned them the beach was not safe.
They ignored him and look what happened.
Jeff has been invited back to help, probably to protect their skins.

Most of the International surfers were from Santa Cruz.
Probably to fill the field with their friends..?
Money has got involved at Mavericks.

I'm not sure that the real International Players who spent money traveling to Mavericks were happy sharing prize fund with local surfers.
 
Don't like

I understand the time element and sometimes a small difference in the payouts ,but whenever I have been fortunate enough to be in that position I have always said , let's split it maybe 55/45 and play one game for the extra 10 percent, similar to the sudden death used in Champions of Champions.That also is a help if there is a Calcutta involved.It's only one more game and you have a definitive winner.
 
Scaramouche said:
American pool players aren't gunslingers, they're socialists.
Hence the repeated socialistic threads demanding somebody, anybody, Money Me, by subsidizing where no discernible value is offered.
Splitting pots is just one more indication of the lack of value offered by the sport to prospective angels - The Fix Is In.
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So....if I find myself in the finals of a tournament....lets say its a true double elimination and I am on the loser's side. The person in the hot seat is either my speed or possibly a ball better.

2k to 1st place
1k to 2nd place

I have to beat this person twice and I'm 50% at BEST on each set......

Taking the 500 is actually positive EV in this situation.....I'd say that would be quite the opposite to socialism.....

However, IMO any splitting should be done in private after the tournament. 2 players can agree to split, but I feel as though the tournament should be played out and the 2 individuals take care of their agreement between each other behind closed doors.

If there is official betting or a calcutta, obviously splitting should not be allowed in any form.
 
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How anyone can condone spitting, is beyond me. And with a name like DrClean, too. What do you do, spit on your opponent when you lose? Outrageous!
I should think that spit...what? He said splitting? As in "Splitting the pot"?
My bad. Carry on. :smile:
 
If there are paying spectators, or outside calcutta investors, splitting is wrong.

If, like most weekly tournaments, you two and the guy running it are the only ones left in the room, who cares?

I guess I'm saying it's situational and common sense.

-s
 
steev said:
If there are paying spectators, or outside calcutta investors, splitting is wrong.

If, like most weekly tournaments, you two and the guy running it are the only ones left in the room, who cares?

I guess I'm saying it's situational and common sense.

-s
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I was playing a handicapped event recently and got to the final. Found out that I had to give more spot than I had before to an opponent who had already beat me earlier in the event.

Yeah, I wanna split.
 
vapoolplayer said:
So....if I find myself in the finals of a tournament....lets say its a true double elimination and I am on the loser's side. The person in the hot seat is either my speed or possibly a ball better.

2k to 1st place
1k to 2nd place

I have to beat this person twice and I'm 50% at BEST on each set......

Taking the 500 is actually positive EV in this situation.....I'd say that would be quite the opposite to socialism.....

However, IMO any splitting should be done in private after the tournament. 2 players can agree to split, but I feel as though the tournament should be played out and the 2 individuals take care of their agreement between each other behind closed doors.

If there is official betting or a calcutta, obviously splitting should not be allowed in any form.
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I only slum post here. :D

The merits or lack thereof of the Double Elimination format used in Pool is an entirely different subject.
Must be something dreamed up by do-gooder socialists who believe in rehabilitation.

Snooker uses either knockout or round robin.
 
Splitting

In small or weekly tournaments, I will split sometimes unless I am sure that I can win. And I never split if I am in the hotseat, and they haven't beat me the first set. In larger tournaments, I wouldn't split unless it was extremely late, I was tired, and the owners were wanting to go home.
 
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