Certain Shots

8pack

8pack

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Is it just me or is it the same for all of us.There are some shots on the table that just gotta look wrong in order for you to make them.Maybe the cb is on the rail or maybe over a ball,certain power shots.
Some shot's just wont go if they look rite for me.:confused:(This isn't on all shots)
 
Yeah I used to have this problem quite often but with more and more practice everything
seems to look pretty normal now. There is one area that I have never been able to correct this issue is when I am jumping. Every single time I shoot a jump shot I am not
aiming at the place that looks right for me. I know pretty much exactly how much I need
to adjust when shooting a jump shot but it just looks wrong. I am guessing that this
likely has something to do with the fact that I am a lefty and I am right eye dominant.
On normal shots my right eye is over my cue line but when I am jumping I am typically
unable to go to that length while still trying to maintain some type of proper mechanics.
 
8pack said:
Is it just me or is it the same for all of us.There are some shots on the table that just gotta look wrong in order for you to make them.Maybe the cb is on the rail or maybe over a ball,certain power shots.
Some shot's just wont go if they look rite for me.:confused:(This isn't on all shots)
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It is just you - tho I am sure you are not the only one.

If you remember, any shot, anywhere, there is a spot on the OB ball to hit.
If you hit the spot, it goes. Think about that, not what it looks.

BTW it sounds like you are might be comitting the worst sin in pool - thinking while shooting.

Dale
 
I remember Willie Mosconi saying "there are really no hard shots. Some are just less "frontal" than others." Like the post above this one says, you just have to hit the spot.
 
The dominant eye.....

8pack said:
Is it just me or is it the same for all of us.There are some shots on the table that just gotta look wrong in order for you to make them.Maybe the cb is on the rail or maybe over a ball,certain power shots.
Some shot's just wont go if they look rite for me.:confused:(This isn't on all shots)
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Certain shots pull your dominant eye off the shot and you are unknowingly letting the non dominant eye take over.

This is why the shot doesn't look right.

The sad thing is that your eyes are just trying to do what they do best. Just see.

But if the non dominant eye is accidently in the dominant position it just says to the brain, OK I'll do it, I suck but I'll do it.

Until you figure this out it will keep happening forever.

Set up a quarter ball hit to the right and then set one up to the left,

You will find that it is real easy to envision the shot to one way more than it is to the other.

The tough way is the way that your non dominant eye is shooting. just open and shut an eye while down on the shot and you will see this which eye is doing what..

It even looks a little cockeyed while trying to aim when the non dominant eye is trying to do the job. Because it is doing the shooting it is trying to work like the dominant eye. it just happens naturally. We have to learn how to stop this from happening.

Now if you shoot 7 days a week, 8 hours a day you can naturally get in a better position with the eyes from repetition. Sell the house, quit your job and just play pool all the time and it will naturally get a little better. You might even get playing at a pro level or close to but the problem will still be there on some shots anyway.

Just like a gun. learn how to put the sight on the target and the results are allot better. Aiming the gun with the right eye and closing the right eye and try to shoot it with the left is kind of what is happening with the eyes on certain shots. Just not to that extreme but it doesn't take much.

The problem is that pool players just can't imagine that their not seeing what they need to see already.

That's what I do. Fix this problem and it is a problem for every pool player on the planet.

The worse the problem is the worse the player plays. It can be reduced by learning how to position the eyes in a manner that this does not happen.

Great post my friend. You hit most players nail right on the head.

We all have this problem........just some worse and some less........
 
genomachino said:
Certain shots pull your dominant eye off the shot and you are unknowingly letting the non dominant eye take over.

This is why the shot doesn't look right.

The sad thing is that your eyes are just trying to do what they do best. Just see.

But if the non dominant eye is accidently in the dominant position it just says to the brain, OK I'll do it, I suck but I'll do it.

Until you figure this out it will keep happening forever.

Set up a quarter ball hit to the right and then set one up to the left,

You will find that it is real easy to envision the shot to one way more than it is to the other.

The tough way is the way that your non dominant eye is shooting. just open and shut an eye while down on the shot and you will see this which eye is doing what..

It even looks a little cockeyed while trying to aim when the non dominant eye is trying to do the job. Because it is doing the shooting it is trying to work like the dominant eye. it just happens naturally. We have to learn how to stop this from happening.

Now if you shoot 7 days a week, 8 hours a day you can naturally get in a better position with the eyes from repetition. Sell the house, quit your job and just play pool all the time and it will naturally get a little better. You might even get playing at a pro level or close to but the problem will still be there on some shots anyway.

Just like a gun. learn how to put the sight on the target and the results are allot better. Aiming the gun with the right eye and closing the right eye and try to shoot it with the left is kind of what is happening with the eyes on certain shots. Just not to that extreme but it doesn't take much.

The problem is that pool players just can't imagine that their not seeing what they need to see already.

That's what I do. Fix this problem and it is a problem for every pool player on the planet.

The worse the problem is the worse the player plays. It can be reduced by learning how to position the eyes in a manner that this does not happen.

Great post my friend. You hit most players nail right on the head.

We all have this problem........just some worse and some less........
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Gene,

Have you seen the break and run DVD?
 
genomachino said:
Certain shots pull your dominant eye off the shot and you are unknowingly letting the non dominant eye take over.

This is why the shot doesn't look right.

The sad thing is that your eyes are just trying to do what they do best. Just see.

But if the non dominant eye is accidently in the dominant position it just says to the brain, OK I'll do it, I suck but I'll do it.

Until you figure this out it will keep happening forever.

Set up a quarter ball hit to the right and then set one up to the left,

You will find that it is real easy to envision the shot to one way more than it is to the other.

The tough way is the way that your non dominant eye is shooting. just open and shut an eye while down on the shot and you will see this which eye is doing what..

It even looks a little cockeyed while trying to aim when the non dominant eye is trying to do the job. Because it is doing the shooting it is trying to work like the dominant eye. it just happens naturally. We have to learn how to stop this from happening.

Now if you shoot 7 days a week, 8 hours a day you can naturally get in a better position with the eyes from repetition. Sell the house, quit your job and just play pool all the time and it will naturally get a little better. You might even get playing at a pro level or close to but the problem will still be there on some shots anyway.

Just like a gun. learn how to put the sight on the target and the results are allot better. Aiming the gun with the right eye and closing the right eye and try to shoot it with the left is kind of what is happening with the eyes on certain shots. Just not to that extreme but it doesn't take much.

The problem is that pool players just can't imagine that their not seeing what they need to see already.

That's what I do. Fix this problem and it is a problem for every pool player on the planet.

The worse the problem is the worse the player plays. It can be reduced by learning how to position the eyes in a manner that this does not happen.

Great post my friend. You hit most players nail right on the head.

We all have this problem........just some worse and some less........
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Speaking of dominant eyes.....have any pool players purposely changed their dominant eye over time?

No real reason for asking, just curious if anyone has put in the work to change their dominant eye and how it affected their game.
 
I feel the same way. I'm a lot more confident cutting a ball to the left (hitting on the right side of the OB) than to the right.

It could be eye alignment, but I also think it's the optical illusion of my bridge hand on the left side of the cue and CB -- it's like my bridge hand partially blocks my view. I think it's an optical illusion/mental thing because I can obviously see the left side of the OB just fine.

I think my make/miss percentage of right vs. left cut is the same. It just feels better cutting to the left.
 
(((Satori))) said:
Gene,

Have you seen the break and run DVD?
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The reason I ask is because on the DVD Rodney Morris talks about how to eliminate the time it takes to get into stroke by understanding that cuts to the right require you to see the shot with your right eye and cuts to the left require you to see the shot with your left eye. He did not go into enough detail for me to understand how that works though and how to use the knowledge to benefit me.

I was wondering this makes sense to you and if what he is referring to is the same stuff you teach.

Thanks,
(((Satori)))
 
(((Satori))) said:
The reason I ask is because on the DVD Rodney Morris talks about how to eliminate the time it takes to get into stroke by understanding that cuts to the right require you to see the shot with your right eye and cuts to the left require you to see the shot with your left eye. He did not go into enough detail for me to understand how that works though and how to use the knowledge to benefit me.

I was wondering this makes sense to you and if what he is referring to is the same stuff you teach.

Thanks,
(((Satori)))
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I'd be very careful about listening to anyone (pro player or otherwise, and not just in pool) who start getting too technical on things like this. Unless they have some specialized training in the field they are quoting from.

All too often people are just spouting off "what makes sense to them" or what they "believe to be true" even though it is not good information at all.

Pro pool players aren't known for quitting jobs as doctors or highly educated professions to pursue pool full time. ;)
 
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vapoolplayer said:
I'd be very careful about listening to anyone (pro player or otherwise, and not just in pool) who start getting too technical on things like this. Unless they have some specialized training in the field they are quoting from.

All too often people are just spouting off "what makes sense to them" or what they "believe to be true" even though it is not good information at all.
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I hear you. I would like to have an idea of what he meant though so I can decide if I want to pursue it. At this point I have no idea how to even begin to apply what it was he was teaching to do? Aim woth your left eye, right eye? The closest thing I have heard anyone teach to this is Gene's post above.
 
When I first started learning, I was spinning in every ball with outside.
Now, every damn ball looks weird when I have to use center ball.

I know I need to cut more but it feels like if I do, I'll overcut it.

Here's a classic example. I absolutely CANNOT make this ball unless I aim to the 'thin side' of the pocket and pretend I want to overcut a little. Especially if I'm on the rail, and even more if I'm using inside to move it around the table.

I know throw plays a part here, I just mean that even though I know how to make the shot, it just always looks wrong through the whole stroke. Weirdly, if you rotate the whole shot 90 degrees (so I'm cutting the same thing up the long rail) it's fine and I'm not worried about it.

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8pack said:
Is it just me or is it the same for all of us.There are some shots on the table that just gotta look wrong in order for you to make them.Maybe the cb is on the rail or maybe over a ball,certain power shots.
Some shot's just wont go if they look rite for me.:confused:(This isn't on all shots)
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This is one of the values of aiming systems for those of us who simply can't put 40 hours a week into the sport to train the mind.

I struggled for years on certain shots. When I started using aiming systems, I even said that it didn't look right. But, then again since I struggled with those particular shots, of course it didn't look right if I actually was aiming correctly.

Freddie <~~~ no way not to mention aiming systems in this post
 
Your left eye dominant when you shoot a shot

bdorman said:
I feel the same way. I'm a lot more confident cutting a ball to the left (hitting on the right side of the OB) than to the right.

It could be eye alignment, but I also think it's the optical illusion of my bridge hand on the left side of the cue and CB -- it's like my bridge hand partially blocks my view. I think it's an optical illusion/mental thing because I can obviously see the left side of the OB just fine.

I think my make/miss percentage of right vs. left cut is the same. It just feels better cutting to the left.
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I can conclusively say that after 1500+ personal lessons that we are all the same. This is just how it is.

When I see it over and over with no variation that's good enough for me.

When I do a personal lesson I prove everything i teach by showing the player so they can see it with their own eyes.

Seeing is believing.....
 
When I showed Rodney this back in 7/6/09

(((Satori))) said:
The reason I ask is because on the DVD Rodney Morris talks about how to eliminate the time it takes to get into stroke by understanding that cuts to the right require you to see the shot with your right eye and cuts to the left require you to see the shot with your left eye. He did not go into enough detail for me to understand how that works though and how to use the knowledge to benefit me.

I was wondering this makes sense to you and if what he is referring to is the same stuff you teach.

Thanks,
(((Satori)))
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Back in July 2009 I was helping allot of players play better but my knowledge was limited. Perfect Aim was in it's beginning stages So what I taught Rodney was limited also. He liked what he learned and could see how much it helped but back then I was just scratching the surface.

Since then I've taken Perfect aim to a much higher level than anyone can imagine. Everyday I'm teaching I'm learning. This eye thing is uncharted territory and has gotten deeper than i could ever have imagined.

The good news is that now I can share all the things i learned. If not traveling and teaching this would have been very tough. We learn allot of pool from repetition. With teaching it's the same. Seeing the same thing over and over. Perfect Aim is not a copycat system. But now there are people teaching it and that is kind of flattering.

It's comprised of things I have learned and seen with my own eyes. Not copied from a video or some book. Most of the players I teach say they havn't seen this anywhere.

This is why i have the new perfect Aim video coming out in about 2 months. This is why I travel 24/7 and teach. I show players how to use it in their own games. 100% success with each and every lesson.

I do video testimonials now instead of just words on a page. This really shows how much the players Wowed at what they learned.

Some players are left eye dominant and some are right. Some players have occular vision where you aim with one eye like a telescope. But this is like only 1 out of 200 players on the average.

With what I teach now nobody has to guess about anything. A player will know why the shot doesn't look right and know how to correct it.

I've not only discovered this aiming glitch that we all have but have figured out how to fix it and can show and explain it to anyone.

When I get done the player knows exactly how to get the job done.

Unless you know it just doesn't get any better......

I still do the free phone lessons. This works pretty good to show the players how it works. perfectaimbilliards.com has Reviews of 23 Azers that I sent videos to and did the phone lessons. Most of these I hand picked because they said they didn't believe in aiming systems or said the dominant eye doesn't matter or just was having trouble aiming.

One person that I didn't call is still trying to figure it out and told me he was going to call soon. CreeDo, and I hope he does. The old video was kind of hard to learn from for some players and I always tell everyone they should call for the free phone lesson even if they think they learned it all from just the video. .

All other 22 players from AZ were glowing testimonials.

Check it out. i don't know what else I can do to help.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink?

And Rodney, If you read this I will finally have a Perfect Aim video that is the way it needs to be. You told me back then that you wanted to sell it on your website.

When it's done your the first person I will be calling. I still have your number if it's the same as back in July of 2009.......
 
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Cornerman said:
This is one of the values of aiming systems for those of us who simply can't put 40 hours a week into the sport to train the mind.

I struggled for years on certain shots. When I started using aiming systems, I even said that it didn't look right. But, then again since I struggled with those particular shots, of course it didn't look right if I actually was aiming correctly.

Freddie <~~~ no way not to mention aiming systems in this post
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IMHO - the only reason a shot would ever not look "right" would be
because you were unfamiliar with it. Forget about 40 hours a week.
I don't play 40 hours a year anymore, but when I do, I never have any trouble
determining where to hit the OB. Nor any thought of it not looking 'right'.
Actually hitting that spot... often, not so much.

Dale
 
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genomachino said:
Certain shots pull your dominant eye off the shot and you are unknowingly letting the non dominant eye take over.

This is why the shot doesn't look right.

The sad thing is that your eyes are just trying to do what they do best. Just see.

But if the non dominant eye is accidently in the dominant position it just says to the brain, OK I'll do it, I suck but I'll do it.

Until you figure this out it will keep happening forever.

Set up a quarter ball hit to the right and then set one up to the left,

You will find that it is real easy to envision the shot to one way more than it is to the other.

The tough way is the way that your non dominant eye is shooting. just open and shut an eye while down on the shot and you will see this which eye is doing what..

It even looks a little cockeyed while trying to aim when the non dominant eye is trying to do the job. Because it is doing the shooting it is trying to work like the dominant eye. it just happens naturally. We have to learn how to stop this from happening.

Now if you shoot 7 days a week, 8 hours a day you can naturally get in a better position with the eyes from repetition. Sell the house, quit your job and just play pool all the time and it will naturally get a little better. You might even get playing at a pro level or close to but the problem will still be there on some shots anyway.

Just like a gun. learn how to put the sight on the target and the results are allot better. Aiming the gun with the right eye and closing the right eye and try to shoot it with the left is kind of what is happening with the eyes on certain shots. Just not to that extreme but it doesn't take much.

The problem is that pool players just can't imagine that their not seeing what they need to see already.

That's what I do. Fix this problem and it is a problem for every pool player on the planet.

The worse the problem is the worse the player plays. It can be reduced by learning how to position the eyes in a manner that this does not happen.
t.
Great ponpust my friend. You hit most players nail right on the head.

We all have this problem........just some worse and some less........
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Gene your probably rite.

Where this happens for me is when the back of the cue is elevated .My sight picture looks great but the shot never goes.(well maybe sometimes it does).
So Ive adjusted for these type of shots.



Thanks for everyones input.

Anthony
 
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I did a little experiment..........

bdorman said:
I feel the same way. I'm a lot more confident cutting a ball to the left (hitting on the right side of the OB) than to the right.

It could be eye alignment, but I also think it's the optical illusion of my bridge hand on the left side of the cue and CB -- it's like my bridge hand partially blocks my view. I think it's an optical illusion/mental thing because I can obviously see the left side of the OB just fine.

I think my make/miss percentage of right vs. left cut is the same. It just feels better cutting to the left.
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I am right handed/left eye dominant and thought maybe I would try and see if I could play with the right eye in the dominant position.

It seems more natural physically because the eye is on the same side as the cue.

I played pretty good but would miss some easy shots here and there.

About an hour later i played in a tourny I was playing in every week and usually did pretty good.

I couldn't make a ball. I went 2 and out. This continued all night long.

So i had a little fun. i took 5 players that I knew and had them switch to trying to shoot as the other eye being dominant. Each one of them experienced the same thing. They each had trouble even lining up right the rest of the night.

So my conclusion was that whenever your non dominant eye is working like the dominant eye on any shot it is actually screwing up your ability to fucus getting the dominant eye in the correct position on later shots.

My eyes and their eyes just seemed wore out. Kind of tired.

Usually someones dominant eye or non dominant eye will continue to do what it needs to do on every shot until you lose about 80 to 90% of the vision in that eye.

Players would tell me, I can't even see out of that eye.

When they open and shut an eye while down on the shot they can see that it is still working. Even when it is doing all the shooting.

The eyes a fascinating. They just keep on doing their thing for as long as they can.
 
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