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Touch of Center
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I have no idea about CJ and don't even open his threads anymore. What I do know is that Renfro said, "I will only play TOI."
Lou Figueroa
I actually do have a great deal of respect for you in achieving this. Sometimes I feel that communicating on this forum is like using tin cans and a string. A lot gets lost in the translation.
As I said in a previous statement, I appreciate you bringing your experience forward and it has helped me significantly to look at your TOI method in understanding the dynamics of squirt and using a touch of inside.
I probably go a little further than most with this stuff. I was down your way earlier to meet with another world champion, Lanny Bassham. He's also an Olympic champion with some very interesting ideas to learn from.
Some day I hope to be back down your way and I'd be happy to buy you a beer or lunch and talk to you further about TOI. It's just too difficult on the forum.
actually get MORE spin on the cue ball from this TOI position.
I'm very clear in my TOI Video, I've written it several times, and I've never changed how I play. I use all kinds of spin if I need to, however, I FIRST GO TO MY TOI POSITION before pivoting to the center or outside. This AUTOMATICALLY adjusts for the deflection/spin ratio.
The question a lot of players have is "how do I adjust from spin in my aiming system?" This is how you do it, you first come TOI, then pivot to the center or go as far outside as you need to, you will have MORE cue ball to work with and can actually get MORE spin on the cue ball from this TOI position. 'The Game is the Teacher'
FAMOUS QUOTES THAT APPLY TO LEARNING ADVANCED POOL TECHNIQUES
"You cannot learn anything if you already feel that you know."
"Preconceived ideas and prejudices always prevent us from seeing the truth."
"You should open your mind before you open your mouth."
"Some people want to be taught everything in one sitting. It's not possible."
I'm very clear in my TOI Video, I've written it several times, and I've never changed how I play. I use all kinds of spin if I need to, however, I FIRST GO TO MY TOI POSITION before pivoting to the center or outside. This AUTOMATICALLY adjusts for the deflection/spin ratio.
The question a lot of players have is "how do I adjust from spin in my aiming system?" This is how you do it, you first come TOI, then pivot to the center or go as far outside as you need to, you will have MORE cue ball to work with and can actually get MORE spin on the cue ball from this TOI position. 'The Game is the Teacher'
FAMOUS QUOTES THAT APPLY TO LEARNING ADVANCED POOL TECHNIQUES
"You cannot learn anything if you already feel that you know."
"Preconceived ideas and prejudices always prevent us from seeing the truth."
"You should open your mind before you open your mouth."
"Some people want to be taught everything in one sitting. It's not possible."
11 hours of footage reduced to the 90 minutes in TOI Video
Yes, that's why I dedicated a 90 minute video on the subject 'The Touch Of Inside System". It took 11 hours of footage reduced to the 90 minutes and there's still things that I can teach quicker and more effectively in person.
Most players have trouble with the following things:
1) Pivoting to the TOI position rather then moving Parallel
2) Following throw towards the "contact point" instead of the center or edge of the object ball
3) Moving their bridge on the table rather than just shifting it TOI - the end result is to just come down to the TOI position rather than center first every time. This is the best way to teach it, however, at some point your mind will be trained to come down inside of center.
4) After getting to the TOI Position, to simply pivot back to center for "helping english," or pivot more outside for spin.
5) Understanding that once you are hitting center using TOI you are perfectly calibrated. Effectively you MUST be aligned to the closest side of the pocket if you are hitting center because of the slight deflection.
Yes, that's why I dedicated a 90 minute video on the subject 'The Touch Of Inside System". It took 11 hours of footage reduced to the 90 minutes and there's still things that I can teach quicker and more effectively in person.
Most players have trouble with the following things:
1) Pivoting to the TOI position rather then moving Parallel
2) Following throw towards the "contact point" instead of the center or edge of the object ball
3) Moving their bridge on the table rather than just shifting it TOI - the end result is to just come down to the TOI position rather than center first every time. This is the best way to teach it, however, at some point your mind will be trained to come down inside of center.
4) After getting to the TOI Position, to simply pivot back to center for "helping english," or pivot more outside for spin.
5) Understanding that once you are hitting center using TOI you are perfectly calibrated. Effectively you MUST be aligned to the closest side of the pocket if you are hitting center because of the slight deflection.
Hi CJ,
You might want to insert the word 'pocket' as above to avoid a Pheonix of Fire Flames.
Best Regards & Thanks for Everything,
you are going to someday be my star student.
Yes, Lou, I've had patience with you, you can potentially improve the most using the "Touch of Inside" - you are going to someday be my star student. I think you and I can team up to beat Mosconi's record of 526. :thumbup:
What is means to "only use TOI" is you always START in the TOI Position. This is very evident in many of the greatest players on the world. Watch the Fillipino players very closely in their first move to the cue ball. Are they starting out inside? I'll let you be the judge of that, I already know the answer.
"You cannot learn anything if you already feel that you know."
"Preconceived ideas and prejudices always prevent us from seeing the truth."
"You should open your mind before you open your mouth."
"The master is trying to tell him to ease back and relax. The professor is too anxious about the whole thing."
"Some people want to be taught everything in one sitting. It's not possible."
THE GAME IS THE TEACHER
Yes, Lou, I've had patience with you, you can potentially improve the most using the "Touch of Inside" - you are going to someday be my star student. I think you and I can team up to beat Mosconi's record of 526. :thumbup:
What is means to "only use TOI" is you always START in the TOI Position. This is very evident in many of the greatest players on the world. Watch the Fillipino players very closely in their first move to the cue ball. Are they starting out inside? I'll let you be the judge of that, I already know the answer.
"You cannot learn anything if you already feel that you know."
"Preconceived ideas and prejudices always prevent us from seeing the truth."
"You should open your mind before you open your mouth."
"The master is trying to tell him to ease back and relax. The professor is too anxious about the whole thing."
"Some people want to be taught everything in one sitting. It's not possible."
THE GAME IS THE TEACHER
You mean "Leafs07" isnt' your real name?
You mean "Leafs07" isnt' your real name? That's interesting, very interesting. :groucho:
You mean "Leafs07" isnt' your real name? That's interesting, very interesting. :groucho:
Wait, what were the things you can't talk about again?
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Originally Posted by CJ Wiley
5) Understanding that once you are hitting center pocket using TOI you are perfectly calibrated. Effectively you MUST be aligned to the closest side of the pocket if you are hitting center pocket because of the slight deflection.
Hi CJ,
You might want to insert the word 'pocket' as above to avoid a Pheonix of Fire Flames.
Best Regards & Thanks for Everything,
Just a bump as I think this was lost in the page turn.
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Originally Posted by CJ Wiley
5) Understanding that once you are hitting center pocket using TOI you are perfectly calibrated. Effectively you MUST be aligned to the closest side of the pocket if you are hitting center pocket because of the slight deflection.
Hi CJ,
You might want to insert the word 'pocket' as above to avoid a Pheonix of Fire Flames.
Best Regards & Thanks for Everything,
Just a bump as I think this was lost in the page turn.
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Great Advise, or the Greatest Advise? "Less Choices are Better"
Our pool game, minds, and bodies are never the same. Life is always changing, and once we accept this reality, and are willing to understand how to make the adjustments we can turn this into an advantage.
I see players start out really well in a match, however, they are not hitting the center of the pocket on their shots. They may be over cutting or under cutting slightly, and it's usually predictable after a few games. If they don't know how to adjust for those "near misses" they soon turn into total misses.
This will tend to shake someone up, it's like "I was playing so well, then suddenly I couldn't make a ball," however the truth of the matter is it wasn't "suddenly" they had the "tell tail signs" earlier and didn't pay attention or wasn't watching the object ball go into the pocket.
When I contact the cue ball, I immediately watch the object ball go into the pocket to see what part of the pocket it's contacting. The cue ball is the primary target, so you have to aim carefully at the cue ball. The pocket reflects how you hit the cue ball so you must get the feedback from the pocket or you're "playing in the dark," and sooner or later it will have an impact......and never a good one.
I make "micro adjustments" with my cue ball "Tip Target" until it aligns perfectly with my "Pocket Target". This calibration is something that must consistently be done to keep from having "ups and downs" in my performance AND my confidence. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
Our pool game, minds, and bodies are never the same. Life is always changing, and once we accept this reality, and are willing to understand how to make the adjustments we can turn this into an advantage.
I see players start out really well in a match, however, they are not hitting the center of the pocket on their shots. They may be over cutting or under cutting slightly, and it's usually predictable after a few games. If they don't know how to adjust for those "near misses" they soon turn into total misses.
This will tend to shake someone up, it's like "I was playing so well, then suddenly I couldn't make a ball," however the truth of the matter is it wasn't "suddenly" they had the "tell tail signs" earlier and didn't pay attention or wasn't watching the object ball go into the pocket.
When I contact the cue ball, I immediately watch the object ball go into the pocket to see what part of the pocket it's contacting. The cue ball is the primary target, so you have to aim carefully at the cue ball. The pocket reflects how you hit the cue ball so you must get the feedback from the pocket or you're "playing in the dark," and sooner or later it will have an impact......and never a good one.
I make "micro adjustments" with my cue ball "Tip Target" until it aligns perfectly with my "Pocket Target". This calibration is something that must consistently be done to keep from having "ups and downs" in my performance AND my confidence. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
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I also seem to recall saying 9ball =) I don't think I have the experience to handle anyone playing 1pocket... It's like Jazz to me... Lots of people like it but for me it lacks the rhythm I prefer to dance to.....
Chris
I will be at SBE and happy to play some one pocket with you. You can have 9/8 and I will wager $100 per game and guarantee to freeze up $500 for you to win if you can.
Have your people contact my people to arrange the match if you are interested.
I can dance to jazz.
difficult to understand? 'The Game {after all} is the Teacher'
My opinion isn't that it's difficult to hit center ball, it's difficult to hit every time. If you don't hit it every time it means you will unintentionally be deflecting towards the pocket or away{from the pocket} . This leads to a "guessing game," and at my level guessing won't "get the cash".
Mastering pool (at any level) requires accurate feedback or you will find yourself making the same mistakes. I simply want to create a situation where I'm ALWAYS deflecting the ball towards my target{pocket or safety position}.
When a player hits the cue ball a hair off center intentionally{instead of waiting for it to accidently happen} it gives them accurate feedback in case the object ball doesn't hit the center OF THE POCKET. It's better to know which way the cue ball will go so you aren't under the pressure to hit the EXACT center to perform consistently.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand? 'The Game {after all} is the Teacher'
i ask this question and the next thing I know is I am being challenged to a game of 9 ball
:smile::smile::smile:
My opinion isn't that it's difficult to hit center ball, it's difficult to hit every time. If you don't hit it every time it means you will unintentionally be deflecting towards the pocket or away{from the pocket} . This leads to a "guessing game," and at my level guessing won't "get the cash".
Mastering pool (at any level) requires accurate feedback or you will find yourself making the same mistakes. I simply want to create a situation where I'm ALWAYS deflecting the ball towards my target{pocket or safety position}.
When a player hits the cue ball a hair off center intentionally{instead of waiting for it to accidently happen} it gives them accurate feedback in case the object ball doesn't hit the center OF THE POCKET. It's better to know which way the cue ball will go so you aren't under the pressure to hit the EXACT center to perform consistently.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand? 'The Game {after all} is the Teacher'
I will be at SBE and happy to play some one pocket with you. You can have 9/8 and I will wager $100 per game and guarantee to freeze up $500 for you to win if you can.
Have your people contact my people to arrange the match if you are interested.
I can dance to jazz.
John, are you now that much of an attention whore that you are reduced to following me around offering the same "challenge" over and over again when I have already given you my answer several times? (Most recently a couple of months ago in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3981479&postcount=102) Again: I will not be at the SBE, but that does not mean I'm hard to find. Each year I usually go to the DCC, Tunica, and the US One Pocket Open in Vegas.
Now go find someone else to stalk to get your attention fix.
Lou Figueroa
I will be at SBE and happy to play some one pocket with you. You can have 9/8 and I will wager $100 per game and guarantee to freeze up $500 for you to win if you can.
Have your people contact my people to arrange the match if you are interested.
I can dance to jazz.
So who won the $10? :thumbup:
TOI and acceleration go to together like peas and carrots
The speed effects deflection and increases it, so if you use center and are slightly off you are more likely to "not make" the ball. With the TOI you will favor the inside (or even out of the pocket) when hitting the ball firmer to assure you still have the pocket "Zone" to assure you make the ball.
One thing you can't do with TOI is hit the ball easy or decelerate. If you like to use this style of play TOI IS NOT FOR YOU.
TOI and Acceleration go to together like peas and carrots.
The Game is the Teacher
The speed effects deflection and increases it, so if you use center and are slightly off you are more likely to "not make" the ball. With the TOI you will favor the inside (or even out of the pocket) when hitting the ball firmer to assure you still have the pocket "Zone" to assure you make the ball.
One thing you can't do with TOI is hit the ball easy or decelerate. If you like to use this style of play TOI IS NOT FOR YOU.
TOI and Acceleration go to together like peas and carrots.
The Game is the Teacher
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