Playing near perfect

Slasher

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As a point of interest regarding the precision and consistency this simple compact method of play can produce here is an astonishing performance from China's Ding Junhui in the recent PTC Snooker Tournament.

In this short race format tourney he produced nine centuries including this maximum and in the final which he triumphed 4-3 he achieved a stunning 99% pot success rate.
Enjoy
http://youtu.be/JGERwgjtxoU
 
He does not have an overly long back swing, bridge, follow through or elbow drop.
 
As a point of interest regarding the precision and consistency this simple compact method of play can produce here is an astonishing performance from China's Ding Junhui in the recent PTC Snooker Tournament.

In this short race format tourney he produced nine centuries including this maximum and in the final which he triumphed 4-3 he achieved a stunning 99% pot success rate.
Enjoy
http://youtu.be/JGERwgjtxoU

But...but...but.........that's what the instructors teach....no one can really play good like that! They just teach that nonsense to make money ripping people off! Why, even the pros on here have said that what the instructors teach is only for beginners, and shouldn't even be taught to them! Oh my, I'm so confused! Could it be that the instructors actually know what they are talking about???
 
But...but...but.........that's what the instructors teach....no one can really play good like that! They just teach that nonsense to make money ripping people off! Why, even the pros on here have said that what the instructors teach is only for beginners, and shouldn't even be taught to them! Oh my, I'm so confused! Could it be that the instructors actually know what they are talking about???

Hehe ,he has taken the "text book" instruction from an early age and perfected it, It's a beautiful thing to watch. I look at it and think there is nothing that could go wrong with this :)
 
IMHO It's a good stroke because he allows his elbow to drop what ever amount is needed to get the cue to finish on a straight line. It does so on almost all but the smallest of strokes. His finish is no where near that of a 'pendulum' stroke. His grip hand & the cue finish in a straight line through the ball. I'm fairly sure if he played with the heavier balls on a 9' table he would allow his elbow to drop as much as needed to accomplish the same finish of the stroke. JMHO I'm not looking for a word war.
 
IMHO It's a good stroke because he allows his elbow to drop what ever amount is needed to get the cue to finish on a straight line. It does so on almost all but the smallest of strokes. His finish is no where near that of a 'pendulum' stroke. His grip hand & the cue finish in a straight line through the ball. I'm fairly sure if he played with the heavier balls on a 9' table he would allow his elbow to drop as much as needed to accomplish the same finish of the stroke. JMHO I'm not looking for a word war.

Sorry, but it just goes to show that you really don't know what you are talking about. You still have no clue what the pendulum stroke is, yet you feel free to comment on it's use and improper use every chance you get.
 
Sorry, but it just goes to show that you really don't know what you are talking about. You still have no clue what the pendulum stroke is, yet you feel free to comment on it's use and improper use every chance you get.

I was just content that he approved of the stroke of currently the best player in the world :grin:
 
In a 'pendulum' stroke with the forearm straight down as the rod of a pendulum would be & with the elbow fixed as a pivot point, & with the cue tip very near the cue ball, the cue is pulled back which requires the hand & the contact point of the cue at the hand to rise up as the hand travels along the arch as created by the fixed elbow (pivot point) & the forearm (pendulum rod). When that happens the cue tip also follows a smaller arch as it moves downward. Then in the forward part of the stroke, the hand & the contact point on the cue follow the path of the pendulum arch in the opposite direction back down to the position where the forearm (pendulum rod) are again straight down & perpendicular to the path of travel. During that timeframe the cue tip has followed it's arch on a reverse path & has come back up to very near the ball. Then as the hand & cue contact point of the cue goes forward it archs up which causes the cue tip to arch downward through the cue ball & toward the cloth.

That is my understanding of the simple pendulum stroke.

If one alters one's grip & wrist or allows one's elbow to drop a bit on the back stroke & then reverses going forward to contact & then again on the finish or follow through the cue can move is a straight line 'piston like' movement. If one does these things then one is employing a straight line 'piston stroke' & not a pendulum stroke.

What is it that I do not understand? Can there be components of both strokes intermingled? Yes to some degree & that is why it is the path of the cue stick that is the telling factor.

If one is not set up properly, it would probably require an elbow drop before contact to accomplish a straight line piston movement. But if one is set up properly it could look very much like a pendulum stroke but not be so. The path of the cue is the telling factor not the movement of the body parts. Now if one sees significant elbow drop on the back swing it would probably be an indication of a scissor motion & a piston type stroke but not if the hand comes up on the forward side of the straight down arm. The point of this is that a combination of set up & arm motion are not definitive indicators of the actual stroke. It is the movement of the cue that differentiates what the stroke actually was, a straight in line piston or the slight rocking of the cue up, down, up or down, up, down depending on which end of the cue one is describing for a pendulum stroke.

If the back stroke is like the pendulum & the forward stroke has an elbow drop through the ball then I believe that is called a J-piston or piston-J stoke

If I don't understand something, I'm open for informative correction.
 
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Slasher...Indeed, that was some beautiful play. Perhaps I missed it, but I watched and didn't see any elbow drop. There were several video angles that allowed us to see the entire range of the stroke. Nicely done! Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Hehe ,he has taken the "text book" instruction from an early age and perfected it, It's a beautiful thing to watch. I look at it and think there is nothing that could go wrong with this :)
 
Slasher...Indeed, that was some beautiful play. Perhaps I missed it, but I watched and didn't see any elbow drop. There were several video angles that allowed us to see the entire range of the stroke. Nicely done! Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Glad you enjoyed it Scott :thumbup: I thought this Master Class that Ding put on was perfect for showcasing what I believe is the path to playing great consistent pool and at the end of the day the simplest and quickest way to learn or improve.
I know a lot of people on this forum like to think that snooker does not exist and that it has no place in pool. I don't know if it's an American thing or a jealousy thing or maybe it does not fit with their model of the great American players of the past but they cannot deny the consistency and accuracy achievable.

"The Instructor is the Teacher"
 
Glad you enjoyed it Scott :thumbup: I thought this Master Class that Ding put on was perfect for showcasing what I believe is the path to playing great consistent pool and at the end of the day the simplest and quickest way to learn or improve.
I know a lot of people on this forum like to think that snooker does not exist and that it has no place in pool. I don't know if it's an American thing or a jealousy thing or maybe it does not fit with their model of the great American players of the past but they cannot deny the consistency and accuracy achievable.

"The Instructor is the Teacher"

Slasher,

I agree. We, Americans, should be studying & looking to snooker for precise accuracy. I played snooker during college after 4 years of pool. That time certainly affected me. I came out a better player than before that experience.

Regards,
 
Slasher,

I agree. We, Americans, should be studying & looking to snooker for precise accuracy. I played snooker during college after 4 years of pool. That time certainly affected me. I came out a better player than before that experience.

Regards,

If you ever want to win another Mosconi you should :grin:
 
elbow drop and camer angles

1st of all, if you don't see his elbow drop your not looking.
Secondly, on a side note, what's up with all the pool/snooker videos that show close ups on the player from the pocket point of view or a close up of the side view where you really can't see anything. i.e you can't see the players full body movement and you can't see the spin/ reaction of the cue ball?
 
1st of all, if you don't see his elbow drop your not looking.
Secondly, on a side note, what's up with all the pool/snooker videos that show close ups on the player from the pocket point of view or a close up of the side view where you really can't see anything. i.e you can't see the players full body movement and you can't see the spin/ reaction of the cue ball?

Watch again. Watch his shoulder and the plane of his upper arm. The shoulder doesn't move at all and the plane/angle of the upper arm doesn't change. Assuming you see that as well, try to explain how the elbow can drop (unless it somehow dislocates from the joint during the stroke).

That was extraordinary, thanks for sharing the link.
 
1st of all, if you don't see his elbow drop your not looking.
Secondly, on a side note, what's up with all the pool/snooker videos that show close ups on the player from the pocket point of view or a close up of the side view where you really can't see anything. i.e you can't see the players full body movement and you can't see the spin/ reaction of the cue ball?

On some shots its there but minimal, this is what I consider an elbow dropper :) Joe taught this method.

http://youtu.be/CgxySWLwqDI
 
I see a slight elbow drop. Not like some poolplayers have but it´s visible for sure.

Piston/pendulum - don´t matter so much what it calls, it sure seems to work:).

Chrippa
 
Aside from red #5 He made this one look ridiculously easy and anyone watching that has never played on a 6x12 tournament table may not get how tough this is.
 
Aside from red #5 He made this one look ridiculously easy and anyone watching that has never played on a 6x12 tournament table may not get how tough this is.

12 footers make 9 footers look like a bar box! :)

Thanks for sharing this with us Slasher!

Ken
 
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