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[Chrippa]

Tonight here in Ft. Worth Texas... :wink: I'm getting some expert advice on how to "stay out of traps".

Also a good one:thumbup:, you are doing alright imo:thumbup:

A good laf is worth a ton, this might also help to share some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ1HKCYJM5U

I just love those, I made it to point to look at these every morning for a time before, try it guys you might like it - perfect morning gymnastic

Regards

Chrippa

Btw - the bird is maybe giving some good advice;-)

 

[JB Cases]

Nope, I mean obtuse.

obtuse
1. Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
2. Difficult to understand.

Using the incorrect word or term makes you difficult to understand. Understand?

The rest of your post is negative babble, so I'm going to ignore it. Aside from the penultimate sentence that is. I don't see how I'm trolling CJ at all. I've interacted him in the exactly the same way I would with anyone else.

He was being perfectly clear for the intended audience. That would be primarily people who understand the American pool culture.

Obtuse however explains perfectly how you are being, both definitions. So trolling is how you interact with everyone else?

I can believe that.

 

[SakuJack]

He was being perfectly clear for the intended audience. That would be primarily people who understand the American pool culture.

Obtuse however explains perfectly how you are being, both definitions. So trolling is how you interact with everyone else?

I can believe that.

I've had other Americans (I won't name names) tell me they share my sentiment, so unless you're accusing them of not understanding their own country's pool culture, you may want to think again.

And if you really think I'm trolling then I have no idea why you've continued with the discussion this far. Questioning a person's post does not equal trolling.

 

[CJ Wiley]

'The Animals are the Teacher'

Also a good one:thumbup:, you are doing alright imo:thumbup:

A good laf is worth a ton, this might also help to share some:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ1HKCYJM5U

I just love those, I made it to point to look at these every morning for a time before, try it guys you might like it - perfect morning gymnastic

Regards

Chrippa

Btw - the bird is maybe giving some good advice;-)

Great stuff, Chrippa.....starts the day off with some "animal quackers"

 

[eddie0776]

I still haven't had any offers to match up at all, except a couple requests for the 5/7 and the break, which is tough to do with players I don't know.[/QUOTE]

Now out of fairness you said that is what you would give shortstops, but I agree that it is tough to give that up to players you dont know. That is why you have got those requests (mine being one of them). I cant wait to see you in some action and like I have said before my cash will be on you playing someone even. :thumbup:

 

[maldito]

I see lots of threads/ post by Geno Pefect Aim all over the place .

 

[ENGLISH!]

Do you think anyone would mind if I was obtuse on purpose once in a while?

CJ,

I would mind...

if you packed up & left but I would not blame you, with all of the BS you've had to put up with here on AZB.

Now, we're into, 'well that depends on what the definition of 'is' IS.

Best Regards, Wishes, & Thanks,

 

[prewarhero]

You see J.A.C.K. in our American pool culture we interchange gambling and hustling when talking about playing pool for money. So sometimes when people HERE say that they gamble on pool for a living they mean that they hustle pool for a living.

Since when does gambling and hustling mean the same thing, even in pooldom? I think a lot people that gamble; for the love of the game, to keep score and to even make money on this board would take offense to the idea that they are "HUSTLING".

I have gambled many times in my life, never hustled.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Well, last night, I was able to play a few games. I watched one of the videos where CJ mentioned that if you are shooting to the right, use right English and so on. I tried it and now I have to figure out why the cue ball keeps coming back and setting me up for relative good shape for my next shot.

Hmmm, thats a head scratcher. I know that I have to refine the weight etc a bit more but it does seem to have a certain amount of merit to it.

Maybe have to study this one a tad more obviously.

 

[CJ Wiley]

What's I've learned from my personal experience in life it "less choices is more

Well, last night, I was able to play a few games. I watched one of the videos where CJ mentioned that if you are shooting to the right, use right English and so on. I tried it and now I have to figure out why the cue ball keeps coming back and setting me up for relative good shape for my next shot.

Hmmm, thats a head scratcher. I know that I have to refine the weight etc a bit more but it does seem to have a certain amount of merit to it.

Maybe have to study this one a tad more obviously.

Like I've been careful to say "I don't play a better game, I play a different game"....TOI is simply a different way to play pool.....I used the analogy of chess and checkers.....the common way to play pool is like chess, you have to think a lot about speed, spins, angles, contact points, patterns, etc.

With TOI it's like checkers, you see the move right away (the TOI shot) and you do it, no "if's, ands, or buts".....I enjoy playing like this and would play no other way because I don't want bunch of choices in pool. What I've learned from my personal experience in life it "less choices is more," I want to see one, sometimes two shots and hit one of them.

I can play on a ten second shot clock because there's usually one choice and if there's two I can tell which one's better in a matter of 5 seconds if I have to. I respect chess players and many people prefer to think a lot while they play, I'm simply giving everyone another option.....one that is less stressful and studious. Enjoy Your Class - 'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[stan shuffett]

Like I've been careful to say "I don't play a better game, I play a different game"....TOI is simply a different way to play pool.....I used the analogy of chess and checkers.....the common way to play pool is like chess, you have to think a lot about speed, spins, angles, contact points, patterns, etc.

With TOI it's like checkers, you see the move right away (the TOI shot) and you do it, no "if's, ands, or buts".....I enjoy playing like this and would play no other way because I don't want bunch of choices in pool. What I've learned from my personal experience in life it "less choices is more," I want to see one, sometimes two shots and hit one of them.

I can play on a ten second shot clock because there's usually one choice and if there's two I can tell which one's better in a matter of 5 seconds if I have to. I respect chess players and many people prefer to think a lot while they play, I'm simply giving everyone another option.....one that is less stressful and studious. Enjoy Your Class - 'The Game is the Teacher'

I always stick up for checkers when it gets a knock. Checkers is every bit as tough or tougher than chess. I grew up around the game and know that to be true.....plan on 8/10 hours a day for 8/10 years if you think you might have a chance at playing with the master level players in checkers.

Stan Shuffett

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Well CJ, I was being a little facetious when I said that it maybe has a little merit to it. I was teasing as I can obviously see that at the very basic level that I was trying it, that it was working. I mean, something was happening there.

I usually will use a lot of top and study the tangent lines, left and right English for ball control.

But, like you said, if using inside simplifies the game and lessens the choices, then I'm in to try it.

I have to do it tonight, watch my weight and see if I can get my angles better.

Weekly 9 Ball tourney Sat so will have a chance to test it out in rotation.

I will buy the dvd because obviously there is a much more info in it that I am missing by just watching you run out 2 racks in the video.

 

[CJ Wiley]

a lot of Dominoes in your area back in my "road playing days".

I always stick up for checkers when it gets a knock. Checkers is every bit as tough or tougher than chess. I grew up around the game and know that to be true.....plan on 8/10 hours a day for 8/10 years if you think you might have a chance at playing with the master level players in checkers.

Stan Shuffett

Checkers was really popular in the little pool room where I grew up, POOl-GIN-CHECKERS ..... another fun game is Chinese Checkers, it's best with 4 players though.

I bet they played Dominoes where you grew up playing, Stan, I saw a lot of Dominoes and Checkers in your area back in my "road playing days".

 

[stan shuffett]

Checkers was really popular in the little pool room where I grew up, POOl-GIN-CHECKERS ..... another fun game is Chinese Checkers, it's best with 4 players though.

I bet they played Dominoes where you grew up playing, Stan, I saw a lot of Dominoes in your area back in my "road playing days".

Yeah, country store checkers was popular all over rural Kentucky once upon a time. They played Free Style checkers and it's plenty tough but because some players only refined 1 line of moves over a lifetime in Free Style, it only could only test a mere fraction of the total game. Free Style is still played but at the highest level, 3 Move Checkers, is recognized as the most difficult by miles.

In 3 Move Checkers there is about 150 ways to open a game with 3 moves. DARK, WHITE, DARK. In 3 move tournament play the players draw from a numbered deck as to how any game shall open. In that manner every contender must know all lines of offense and defense for the 150 or so ways to begin a match.

My father, age 90, was the director of perhaps the most famous checker match of all time( Hellman/ Tinsley 1955)

Anyway, my dad at 90 just won the 3 move Ky State tourney.

How'd we get off on checkers...this is pool forum. Oh, I remember, it's your fault. Cj. Lol.

Stan Shuffett

 

[CJ Wiley]

'The Games are the Teachers'

I always stick up for checkers when it gets a knock. Checkers is every bit as tough or tougher than chess. I grew up around the game and know that to be true.....plan on 8/10 hours a day for 8/10 years if you think you might have a chance at playing with the master level players in checkers.

Stan Shuffett

What you're saying is really interesting to me, Stan, I grew up playing checkers and gin rummy (and of course pool) so I have a passion for checkers.

The "old men" at the pool room were really good (to me) and it took many years before I could play "toe to toe" with them at checkers OR gin rummy.

By the way, It wasn't really a know on checkers, I was comparing it to TOI and chess being the "conventional method" of playing pool. However, this makes the analogy even deeper than I had "real eyesed".

'The Games are the Teachers'

 

[stan shuffett]

What you're saying is really interesting to me, Stan, I grew up playing checkers and gin rummy (and of course pool) so I have a passion for checkers.

The "old men" at the pool room were really good (to me) and it took many years before I could play "toe to toe" with them at checkers OR gin rummy.

By the way, It wasn't really a know on checkers, I was comparing it to TOI and chess being the "conventional method" of playing pool. However, this makes the analogy even deeper than I had "real eyesed".

'The Games are the Teachers'

Ok, my bad! Checkers does get a lot of knocks, though.

A story:

My Dad was at a UK football game with a world champion master player, Don Lafferty. At half time Don asked Dad if he he wanted to play a game of checkers. Dad was all for it. They had no board or no checkers of course. The boards at high levels are numbered. So, they just played the game in their minds calling out numbers for their moves....
I have always been quite intrigued with checkers as I grew around many of the best that ever played the game..

Stan Shuffett

 

[JB Cases]

I've had other Americans (I won't name names) tell me they share my sentiment, so unless you're accusing them of not understanding their own country's pool culture, you may want to think again.

And if you really think I'm trolling then I have no idea why you've continued with the discussion this far. Questioning a person's post does not equal trolling.

Ah yes the old anonymous confirmation. On forums it's standard to make the statement that "a bunch of people told me in private that they agree with me....."

Well to that I say that even in the USA there are levels of understanding of the pool culture. A lot of the people who post here are not gamblers or hustlers and were never immersed in the life. So they are likely to be just as ignorant of CJ's context as you are.

And yes, question with the intent to harass is trolling. You agenda is to discredit CJ which is why you go back to pick out statements to nitpick about. I understand it, I have done it, it's an effective way to badger someone.

A lot of people engage in trolling behavior innocently. I will grant that you probably fit in this category. You seem to be a naturally talented person in this area and probably have never had any formal training in the art of trolling. But nevertheless it is what you are doing.

But as I said, it's no matter because one of the great things about being a human being is the freedom to change one's mind. Great thing about being in his position is that he can make that decision from a position of world class skill. You can't and I can't. We can't play pool for (to make) money because we don't possess the skill to do that on a sustainable level. Our choice is made for us that we are relegated to low amateur status unless we decide to undertake the same type of journey that CJ and all top players went through with all the practice and experience that this requires.

CJ has been to the mountaintop, knows the route to get back and can choose to do whatever he wants in any direction. You can only knock him, never equal him as a pool player. Unless of course you are hustling us and you are really a top player in disguise which is highly doubtful.

 

[JB Cases]

Since when does gambling and hustling mean the same thing, even in pooldom? I think a lot people that gamble; for the love of the game, to keep score and to even make money on this board would take offense to the idea that they are "HUSTLING".

I have gambled many times in my life, never hustled.

Do you bother to read through the posts before you answer? Instead of telling you I am going to say go back and reread the material.

 

[Lock N Load]

Do you bother to read through the posts before you answer? Instead of telling you I am going to say go back and reread the material.

Hey Mr. JB,
Do you have any of those tee shirts that all the good pool players are wearing these days. It has an H word on the front and back! Hustling or is it Hustle, something of the sort? There are 2 kinds of things that the word refers to. Pool and ladies of the night. I use to hustle pool games all my young life. When I was on the road it was called Hustling!!! Period nothing else. When I go to the pool hall I am going to do what, hustle me a client.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.

 

[Lock N Load]

sorry, meant to say "I don't hustle people, I only make "bear" games"

Mr. CJ,
To misrepresent one's ability in order to deceive someone, especially in gambling. Last time I checked playing pool for money was gambling! I mean hustling! Anything a person does for money could be called hustling.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.