Am I wrong to be pissed?

Its a league game right? It is supposed to be fun not something that is that serious. Look I saw a lot worse over the weekend and these guys were playing for $25,000!! I have never seen someone crawl on top of the table to shoot shots instead of using a bridge!!! But that was his one rule for playing on the 9 footer :eek:
 
PETROBOY said:
I do not understand why people say if it was a serious game, high stakes or US open it would be different. How is this different for a friendly game you play with your buddy? do you not follow the rules if its friendly or a gambling match? do you not have sportsmanship if its for funsies or a serious match? How could it possibly be different? I cant rap my head around that logic.
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Light is part of the table and shouldn't be moved for either player. It's not about good sportsmanship.... it shouldn't be moved for fun, serious or otherwise. It's part of the playing conditions.

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JMuck said:
One player per stick.No different than asking a player to make a bridge for you because you can't reach or another player coaching on what shot to shoot next.I would be angry about the incident and be more angry if the league system didn't have a rule to cover it.

If there is no rule there should be.
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Sorry, the fault is entirely in the table set up. No light should ever be in
the way of any shot. This is one of many 'adjustments' required to play
pool in bars.

The only reasonable solution is to move the incorectly placed illumination
device temporarily so as to permit the shot.

Who does the moving is not relevant.

Dale
 
I don't think the light should have been moved (though bar lights are usually hung way too low.)

I also don't think the OP should be pissed because based on his post, he didn't object at the time. Say something when you have a chance to, otherwise move on with your life.

-matthew
 
The light is not part of the table as some stated. I have seen some BB lights installed completely wrong and are in the way for certain shots.
There is nothing wrong with holding it out of the way.

I was LMAO at some of these replies,,they really are kinda funny. Like the guy that says the opponent is the enemy,,and can't help them in any shape or form. lol

Now I could see the OP getting upset ,,if the teammate that helped has issues with him.And is helping hold the light ,for the shot,and smiling as the guy makes the ball and wins. But that is a personnel thing,,nothing to do with a table rule.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I only play on 9'ers with huge lights on chains. If I was playing a serious game and there was a coalition of people swinging the light out of the way so my opponent could ridiculously jack-up mid-table, I wouldn't allow it nor would anyone on this forum.

Why are barboxes different?

Sorry, it's part of the table and isn't meant to be moved. This sounds like hillbilly pool to me.

All my years playing, I've never moved a light. Light blocks an absurd jack-up = select another shot.

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A couple of reasons come to mind. On a 9 fter,,it is pretty difficult to have any shot that the light would be in the way. Just too much of a reach.

But the main reason ,,on a BB .Is the bars that have these tables do some strange things with the lights sometimes. Homemade lights that are way too big for the table and sometimes lights that are hung so low ,,the shots are impossible. It happens allot!!!
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I don't think he's a clown. Moving lights is goofy. Must be a bar league thing....of which I'm not familiar.

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Apparently it is a bar league thing.
I must be fortunate because none of my opponents have ever been goofy enough to move the light, and none of my teammates have been stupid enough to move it for them.
This stuff is part of the reason why I quit all of my bar leagues, downsized to Friday night in-house APA with the girls.
Even in that league there is one weenie always pulling out the rule book.
 
cuesblues said:
Apparently it is a bar league thing.
I must be fortunate because none of my opponents have ever been goofy enough to move the light, and none of my teammates have been stupid enough to move it for them.
This stuff is part of the reason why I quit all of my bar leagues, downsized to Friday night in-house APA with the girls.
Even in that league there is one weenie always pulling out the rule book.
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Dont you want to follow the rules? would you rather have a bunch of bickering with people thinking its this way or that way. the rules were quoted in this thread already, the lights can be moved plain and simple. The fact his own teamate helped the other guy shows he has some sportsmanship to him, there is no reason to be mad at him.
 
nobcitypool said:
I held the light out of the way for an opponent just a couple of weeks ago. I'd never hesitate to do it again. Just a week ago, I had an opponent get bumped by the guy playing the adjacent table. They were getting ready to shoot and the bump caused them to hit the cue ball. I placed the CB back where it had been, told them to try it again.

It's a game. I'm much more concerned about how my integrity and honor are judged than by winning a pool game that is essentially meaningless in the big picture.
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That is the rule anyway- u just followed the rules imo.
 
nobcitypool said:
I held the light out of the way for an opponent just a couple of weeks ago. I'd never hesitate to do it again. Just a week ago, I had an opponent get bumped by the guy playing the adjacent table. They were getting ready to shoot and the bump caused them to hit the cue ball. I placed the CB back where it had been, told them to try it again.

It's a game. I'm much more concerned about how my integrity and honor are judged than by winning a pool game that is essentially meaningless in the big picture.
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This.

It's a league game, big deal. I'd rather not be a jerk or get upset over something so meaningless. You play league to have fun, right? :)
 
eddie0776 said:
Its a league game right? It is supposed to be fun not something that is that serious. Look I saw a lot worse over the weekend and these guys were playing for $25,000!! I have never seen someone crawl on top of the table to shoot shots instead of using a bridge!!! But that was his one rule for playing on the 9 footer :eek:
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Im pretty sure until recently certain parts of the country played that way. For the most part Boston Shorty would not gamble unless he was allowed to
climb up. I have a vague recollection of it being allowed in the IPT also.
 
flash5153 said:
A couple of reasons come to mind. On a 9 fter,,it is pretty difficult to have any shot that the light would be in the way. Just too much of a reach.

But the main reason ,,on a BB .Is the bars that have these tables do some strange things with the lights sometimes. Homemade lights that are way too big for the table and sometimes lights that are hung so low ,,the shots are impossible. It happens allot!!!
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This might be a shock, but I've also played in bars with stupidly installed lights. The thought to move it never entered my mind ever....it's heresy. If I can't jack-up, neither can my opponent. So, you either choose to play the right way and neither player move it (don't jack up) or you go down a path of constantly moving it at-will, which is really stupid. That's why a champion like Brumback knew the right answer. It's hillbilly bar-pool. If, by chance, you're in a hillbilly bar league, at least try not to play hillbilly pool. Otherwise, don't play fouls and make sure you give yourself 1 butt's width off the rail if the CB freezes to it. All the same thing, imo.

Any real player would think light swinging is goofy.

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PETROBOY said:
Dont you want to follow the rules? would you rather have a bunch of bickering with people thinking its this way or that way. the rules were quoted in this thread already, the lights can be moved plain and simple. The fact his own teamate helped the other guy shows he has some sportsmanship to him, there is no reason to be mad at him.
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If somebody on the other team asked me to hold the light I would do it.
Last Friday night I ended up coaching the other team in this mostly girls night out league I'm in, but in the last 10-years of being on 4-different teams I've never seen anybody do it.
Good to know, I've passed on some shots because of the light, but it still doesn't take away from how weenie-like it would be to have someone move the light in bar league play.
I don't think it would come up in other pool venues, like a real pool hall.
 
vapoolplayer said:
You have pretty much NO reason to be mad. Do you flip out when someone moves a chair or table out of the way? A light is just another piece of furniture in the room. Its not attached to the table and thus can be moved to accommodate a shot.

So yes.....you are wrong, and honestly, if you made a scene or actually complained about it.....were an asshole in this situation.
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Agree 1000000000000000000%. Nothing to be mad over. If this is gonna bother you, get a table at home and play by yourself.

And no, the light is not part of the table. Do you play balls off the light into a pocket? No. Are there pockets on the light? No. The light is as much of the table as the chair you are sitting in. The light is there to assist in seeing the table/game. Nothing more. It is a tool. There is nothing hillbilly about. I have never moved a light out of the way, but I would not have a problem if someone else did.
 
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subdude1974 said:
Agree 1000000000000000000%. Nothing to be mad over. If this is gonna bother you, get a table at home and play by yourself.

And no, the light is not part of the table. Do you play balls off the light into a pocket? No. Are there pockets on the light? No. The light is as much of the table as the chair you are sitting in. The light is there to assist in seeing the table/game. Nothing more. It is a tool.
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Not sure you are right about that. I think if Cue ball flies up and hits the light and comes back on the table, you play it where it lies. If it does the same thing off a chair, it's a foul.

My opinion from memory and not researched-FWIW.
 
JMuck said:
One player per stick.No different than asking a player to make a bridge for you because you can't reach or another player coaching on what shot to shoot next.I would be angry about the incident and be more angry if the league system didn't have a rule to cover it.

If there is no rule there should be.
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In a tournament the ref can hold a light or another obstacle out of the way of the player. The ref also can explain rules to the player, but not how to shoot to avoid fouling, nor assist with setting up a shot.

Since there is no ref, don't see why another player can't do it.
 
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