Break Stats -- TAR 34 Day 3 (10-Ball), Van Boening vs. Reyes, April, 2013

[AtLarge]

Here are the results from Day 3 (10-Ball) of TAR 34 -- Shane Van Boening vs. Efren Reyes -- played at the TAR studio in Las Vegas on 4/28/13. Shane won 27-19.

The conditions included the following: 9-foot Diamond Smart Table with approximately 4 1/2" corner pockets, Simonis 860 cloth that is not new, Magic Ball Rack, measles cue ball, winner breaks, breaker racks for himself, break from anywhere behind the line, jump cues not allowed, a 40-second shot clock with 1 extension allowed per rack (80 sec. after the break), and WPA call-pocket rules.

Shane broke 26 times, with the following results:

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 15 (58%)​

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 7 (27%)​

Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 3 (12%)​

Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 1 (4%)​

Efren broke 20 times, with the following results:

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and won the game -- 8 (40%)​

Made at least one ball (and did not foul) and lost the game -- 4 (20%)​

Broke dry or fouled but won the game -- 3 (15%)​

Broke dry or fouled and lost the game -- 5 (25%)​

For the two players combined, a ball was made on the break (without fouling) 34 of the 46 games (74%), the breaker won 29 of the 46 games (63%), and the breaker won 23 of the 34 games in which he made a ball on the break (68%).

Break-and-run games:

Shane -- 10 of 26 (38%)​

Efren -- 4 of 20 (20%)​

Total -- 14 of 46 (30%)​

Shane's 10 B&R games consisted of 2 2-packs and 6 singles. Efren's 4 B&R games were all singles.​

 

[AtLarge]

Efren led 10-4. Shane led 24-15. So Shane won 20 of 25 games in that stretch!

 

[TheMadScientist]

Shane made a ball on the break 85% of the time and Efren made one 60%. To be the best in the world, you must first be the best breaker I guess.

 

[SloMoHolic]

I don't often comment on these threads, AtLarge, but I always read them.

So...

THANK YOU for the stats!

 

[1pocket]

Shane made a ball on the break 85% of the time and Efren made one 60%. To be the best in the world, you must first be the best breaker I guess.

The break was only a part of the difference. It looks to me like Shane also got out after the break in the 10-ball better than Efren for an even bigger advantage. This was unlike the 8-ball segment, where Shane's break was also a big advantage, but Reyes somewhat overcame that (not enough to win the set, obviously) by actually getting out a little better than Shane after the break. Reyes did not get out better than Shane in the 10-ball. In the past, Reyes has often overcome his weaker break by outrunning his opponents after the break -- not last night.

The bottom line is this, at this stage in his career Reyes best games are those that don't rely quite so much on pure fire power and powerful break.

 

[hang-the-9]

Towards the end Shane was making 2-3-4 balls on the break.

 

[CreeDo]

Efren made some uncharacteristic runout errors, failing to get out or making the out difficult. I remember at one point he travelled across the table to hook himself behind the (6?)... to hear the commentators, efren in his prime would never do that.

Beyond the break, shane may have just dogged fewer outs.
Though there was a stretch where he actually made the game look hard.

Not either player's top performance but was nice to see efren jump out early.

 

[AtLarge]

Towards the end Shane was making 2-3-4 balls on the break.

Here's the full distribution of how many times a certain number of balls were made on the break by each player:

Dry -- SVB 4 times, ER 8 times

1 ball -- SVB 12, ER 10

2 balls -- SVB 6, ER 1

3 balls -- SVB 2, ER 1

4 balls -- SVB 2, ER 0​

The games in which 3 balls were made on the break were #4 (ER), #17 (SVB), and #35 (SVB)

The games in which 4 balls were made on the break were #29 and #30, both by SVB.

The average number of balls made on the break was 1.5 by SVB and 0.8 by ER.

 

[hang-the-9]

Thanks! Great to have solid numbers.

Here's the full distribution of how many times a certain number of balls were made on the break by each player:

Dry -- SVB 4 times, ER 8 times

1 ball -- SVB 12, ER 10

2 balls -- SVB 6, ER 1

3 balls -- SVB 2, ER 1

4 balls -- SVB 2, ER 0​

The games in which 3 balls were made on the break were #4 (ER), #17 (SVB), and #35 (SVB)

The games in which 4 balls were made on the break were #29 and #30, both by SVB.

The average number of balls made on the break was 1.5 by SVB and 0.8 by ER.

 

[mrmagoo42]

Didn't get to see 10ball but these stats draw a good picture of how it went. Thanks. While Shane was dialing in his break was he spotting the cue ball in different locations or just adjusting his hit?

 

[CreeDo]

It looked like the same location each time but I wasn't looking closely. Moving over even a single ball width makes a difference in 10b, for those 2nd row balls. He seemed to stick with the same side every time.

Maybe it's just me but it also seemed like he was hitting really hard, and losing his cue ball a lot more than usual. If he could make the same balls and dial it back like 3 mph I think it'd be perfect. A lot of times the CB lunged forward to the foot rail or near the side pocket (though somehow nobody scratched on the break ever?). Shane was kicking/pushing a lot to start the rack.

What a fantastic push though to a spot between two balls where he jumped full cue to sink the 1... I believe he got out from there. To run out on a push vs. the magician, that's really something.

 

[mrmagoo42]

Did watch 8ball and his monster break was getting whitey whacked from every direction, hard to control. I'll definitely be checking out his video on breaking.

 

[cigardave]

The conditions included the following: 9-foot Diamond Smart Table with approximately 4 1/2" corner pockets, Simonis 860 cloth that is not new, Magic Ball Rack, measles cue ball, winner breaks, breaker racks for himself, break from anywhere behind the line, jump cues not allowed, a 40-second shot clock with 1 extension allowed per rack (80 sec. after the break), and WPA call-pocket rules.

AL - Why do you say approximately 4 1/2" corner pockets?

Were they not Diamond's standard Pro Cut pockets?

If so, they're 4 1/2".

 

[AtLarge]

... While Shane was dialing in his break was he spotting the cue ball in different locations or just adjusting his hit?

I agree with CreeDo that he broke from close to the same place throughout the match. He practiced breaking on that table earlier in the day, so I think he had it pretty good from the start (except for losing the CB as CreeDo noted). He didn't come up dry until his 13th break.

 

[AtLarge]

AL - Why do you say approximately 4 1/2" corner pockets?

Were they not Diamond's standard Pro Cut pockets?

If so, they're 4 1/2".

I've heard some people say 4 7/16" for Diamond's standard pro-cut pockets, others 4 1/2". I think Justin has called these 4 1/2", but I have not gone back to confirm that. I think Greg Sullivan has also said that the standard pro-cuts are 4 1/2".

 

[AtLarge]

... What a fantastic push though to a spot between two balls where he jumped full cue to sink the 1... I believe he got out from there. To run out on a push vs. the magician, that's really something.

Yes, that was in Game #9, and SVB did run out from the jump. I don't think that was a particularly hard jump, but Efren still didn't try it.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Hi AtLarge,

Thank you for recording and then publishing these statistics.

If possible, I would like to see the statistic of "made a ball on break and did not scratch, period". This is the sum of your #1 and #2 static.

I know it can be derived easily from the data you have by the readers. However, I feel that statistic is the biggest indicator of the break effectiveness of a player, and should have its own line item in the publishing.

Thank you very much for your consideration.

 

[AtLarge]

Hi AtLarge,

Thank you for recording and then publishing these statistics.

If possible, I would like to see the statistic of "made a ball on break and did not scratch, period". This is the sum of your #1 and #2 static.

I know it can be derived easily from the data you have by the readers. However, I feel that statistic is the biggest indicator of the break effectiveness of a player, and should have its own line item in the publishing.

Thank you very much for your consideration.

I appreciate your comments.

The stat you mention is just the sum of the first two bulleted items for each player. For this match, for SVB it was 58% + 27% = 85%. For ER it was 40% + 20% = 60%. For the two players combined, it was 74%, as stated below the first two sections of bulleted items.

I've sometimes just shown the two pieces and left it to the reader to add them if he wanted to get the "stay-at-table" percentage. Perhaps I'll show it both ways in the future.

Thanks.