Congrats to Danny Harriman 379 Ball Run Highest Ever on Video

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I understand that Jay/Eric offer doesnt limit just US players, but who are the US players that have a solid chance of beating this record.

1. Schmidt
2. Harriman
3. ?

Ken
 
After this thread...

I would gather the necessary documentation, and submit it to Guineas and never mention it in the forums! Bye bye $20K.LOL. oh yes...379. 351. 379 351. 379 351. Liar Mistake. Liar. Mistake ...

Must have words and figures for all future posters in thread.
 
I understand that Jay/Eric offer doesnt limit just US players, but who are the US players that have a solid chance of beating this record.

1. Schmidt
2. Harriman
3. ?

Ken

Johnny Archer belongs on this list.
 
Good thing this was not posted today

He said that Wimpy claimed to have run somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 to 850 balls he lost count after 50 racks). My boss said that it was almost to the point that he would keep making balls until he got tired. Then miss a ball and say "It's your turn". Then he would go to his couch (in the garage) and take a nap for about an hour. When he woke up and my boss missed he would say "my turn" and proceed to run 200+ balls before he would take another nap. He said this would happen all day.


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See the problem starts from the very beginning of your post and then the end. You say it was "an honest mistake"...that is purely your opinion and not substantiated by the facts. The facts are he said he ran 379 had people congratulate him on breaking Schmidts record and it turns out he inflated the run by 28 balls..you are giving me opinion as to why he made a mistake in the count about racks and high numbers but every pro player with high runs knows their exact number...runs higher then 351 or 379..the guys in the 400's all know EXACTLY how many balls the made.

And the end about "shaking hands" and "a pleasant memory" and the "I hope I see you again" and calling him "Sir" just shows that you are a fan of his that wants to stick up for him under any circumstance..which is fine, unfortunately you are biased and not neutral because you are a fan and can't see the facts for what they are. Fact is he claimed a 379 and ran 351...351 is a great run, but it isn't 379 so don't claim to run that amount..especially when that amount would have been the highest ever on tape, which now we know he didn't do it and the record is still 366 by Schmidt. You are biased because you're a fan..its not uncommon and completely understandable, just not the right person to comment as a fan of his instead of a neutral party.

Do you honestly think Danny intentionally set this up knowing he would have to retract it? You'll run out of breath before you convince me of that.
Seems like you have a problem with danny other than his claim
 
I went by Harrimans own words

People, including straight pool players, make mistakes. And the right thing to do is to give him the benefit of the doubt. And no, I do not know Danny.

Now you, OTOH, have made a number of scurrilous charges: that he lied and did so with premeditation and malice. So let me ask you: "What is your evidence?" "Did you get details?" "Did you speak to Harriman?"

It's pretty clear you are the biased party here saying, "I call bullshit on any practice run claim of Harriman..." Could that stem, in any way, from you being CW's sock puppet. http://cdn.hark.com/swfs/player_fb.swf?pid=pqqsjbxnxc&as=1

Lou Figueroa

I went solely by the facts and didnt let my opinion of Harriman make a difference, full disclosure I dont respect Harriman for his past criminal history but about a high run I went based on what HE said and would have to call bullshit on a guy who claims 379 to break a video record and then says "major mistake" I was off by 28 balls. I would call bullshit to Sigel who is my favorite player by far if the same scenario happened.

So I removed all bias when I only dealt with the facts and Harrimans own words and posts. You are a fan and would believe Harriman with no evidence if he said he ran 850 balls..you would simply type "great run Danny"..and if 4 days later he posted "I forgot to mention that during that run there were 7 misses", i'm sure you would think that was an "honest mistake" as you've said in the past. Its your bias thats the problem..I only dealt with facts to make show my point and then people can make up their own minds. Personally somebody inflates their run by 28..sorry I have to call bullshit as that is unheard of.

Your sock puppet nonsense lost its steam when you first posted it..as I said previously I met Charlie once for 5 minutes and I'm not a fan of his but a fan of the World 14.1 Tournament no matter who runs it.
 
I'm really not on board with all the excitement over beating 526, the highest exhibition run in history (not the highest practice run, that would belong to Cranfield, 768, and it was one of two times he broke 700). In competition, these records are not in play, as long races are no longer played. I don't think that a run of 1,000 would make any difference to anybody outside pool circles and I don't think it would do much for pro pool either. Few pool players know of these record runs, let alone anybody else.

Nonetheless, whether one wants to break the highest practice run or the highest exhibition run record, the deck is stacked against them. These runs were completed on easier equipment. Today's top players shoot straighter than both Mosconi and Cranfield (perhaps only Lassiter shot as straight as today's best sharpshooters) but they do not play on easy equipment. Put today's best on such equipment and, with due respect to Mosconi and Cranfield, their records wouldn't last long.

Attempted comparisons between the generations reached, by far, their most ridiculous levels at Derby City this year. Thanks to tight ten foot tables, other than an unknown snooker pro named Pettman, the field that included Feijen, Pagulayan, Eberle, Orcullo, See and Hohmann failed to run 100 even once despite hundreds of attempts among them over a period of about five days. How good does Irving Crane's 309 look now? Oh wait, he didn't play on this kind of equipment.

Today's best 14.1 players may lack the technical elegance of a Mosconi, Crane, Varner, Mizerak, Cranfield, West or Hopkins, but today's best players would run more than all of them on similiar equipment.

It is time to let today's players play on the kind of equipment on which the old masters made their greatest runs. All this nitpicking about minor aspects of these runs (cleaning, polishing, resting, etc.) is time wasted. If somebody breaks the exhibition and practice records on the kind of equipment in use today, it will be much greater feat than any 14.1 runs by the old masters.

I think we all seem to be stuck comparing apples and oranges.


Stu, I agree with a good deal of what you're saying, but you'd have to admit that the players of yesteryear had the chance to log many, many more competitive hours on 5x10s than today's crop of players. If 5x10s were more widely available and more tournaments held on them, then I think 100s by the game's elites, even on a Diamond, would become much more common.

Lou Figueroa
 
I went solely by the facts and didnt let my opinion of Harriman make a difference, full disclosure I dont respect Harriman for his past criminal history but about a high run I went based on what HE said and would have to call bullshit on a guy who claims 379 to break a video record and then says "major mistake" I was off by 28 balls. I would call bullshit to Sigel who is my favorite player by far if the same scenario happened.

So I removed all bias when I only dealt with the facts and Harrimans own words and posts. You are a fan and would believe Harriman with no evidence if he said he ran 850 balls..you would simply type "great run Danny"..and if 4 days later he posted "I forgot to mention that during that run there were 7 misses", i'm sure you would think that was an "honest mistake" as you've said in the past. Its your bias thats the problem..I only dealt with facts to make show my point and then people can make up their own minds. Personally somebody inflates their run by 28..sorry I have to call bullshit as that is unheard of.

Your sock puppet nonsense lost its steam when you first posted it..as I said previously I met Charlie once for 5 minutes and I'm not a fan of his but a fan of the World 14.1 Tournament no matter who runs it.


I'm in total shock Mike the mouth is you favorite player ,
I would have never guessed it:eek:

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save your breath

Do you honestly think Danny intentionally set this up knowing he would have to retract it? You'll run out of breath before you convince me of that.
Seems like you have a problem with danny other than his claim

I have a problem with both.

But you would run out of breath trying to convince anyone that claiming a 379 ball run and being congratulated for beating Schmidt for the highest taped run..then coming on 4 days later to say I forgot I missed a ball early in the run and so my count is off by 2 racks..sorry I know its a major problem..etc, is an honest guy or anyone should ever believe his run claims.

His credibility took a huge hit whether you want to understand it or not.
 
I went solely by the facts and didnt let my opinion of Harriman make a difference, full disclosure I dont respect Harriman for his past criminal history but about a high run I went based on what HE said and would have to call bullshit on a guy who claims 379 to break a video record and then says "major mistake" I was off by 28 balls. I would call bullshit to Sigel who is my favorite player by far if the same scenario happened.

So I removed all bias when I only dealt with the facts and Harrimans own words and posts. You are a fan and would believe Harriman with no evidence if he said he ran 850 balls..you would simply type "great run Danny"..and if 4 days later he posted "I forgot to mention that during that run there were 7 misses", i'm sure you would think that was an "honest mistake" as you've said in the past. Its your bias thats the problem..I only dealt with facts to make show my point and then people can make up their own minds. Personally somebody inflates their run by 28..sorry I have to call bullshit as that is unheard of.

Your sock puppet nonsense lost its steam when you first posted it..as I said previously I met Charlie once for 5 minutes and I'm not a fan of his but a fan of the World 14.1 Tournament no matter who runs it.


Nowadays the standard for evidence for a high run is video -- end of story, so I don have to believe anyone's unsupported claim. Someone claiming a high number without video does not pass muster. And no one, with video of their run, is going to purposely claim a higher number than documented, because they know they're going to get busted. Doing otherwise does not make sense.

A little while back someone in the 14.1 forum even posted a doctored video of a run and was busted on that so your "argument" does not make sense. You have no facts, or evidence, to justify the accusations you've made against Danny. Not to mention that your own words refute your claim of being unbiased. If you're going to be an effective sock puppet you're going to have to do better.

Lou Figueroa
 
Thats Harriman

I'd like to redirect everyone's attention to what Danny said last week about John Schmidt, as shown below:

Originally Posted by Danny Harriman
"I have a question for Schmidt, did he run the 366 on a table like the one at q-masters in Virginia that was doctored'? The only reason I ask is cause I inspected the table where he ran the 400 at q- masters and what I noticed was astounding. If the ball that was hit softly towards the pocket it would go if it got in the jaws - due to the slate being sanded where the ball rolls down-hill and actually accelerated. Plus the facings of the pocket were very soft, it was simply the softest table I had ever seen and I am not sure that a ball would even hang up in the pocket as a result of the sanded slate. I think a table like this should be illegal in Jay Helfert and Fatboys challenge offer. Did he use any jump cue's I know he likes to fall back on that as a cushion even if it's been agreed upon to be illegal. After looking over the table in Virginia I would be interested in inspecting the table where he ran his other high runs. It's not my intention to take anything away from Schmidt and his natural ability to play great pool however I realize now that some people are better at promoting themselves than others and sometimes unless we really look into the details we can be mislead. I am totally against any table where the slate has been sanded near the pocket to make the pocket accept balls like an industrial strength vaccum. Unfortunately not everyone wants a level playing field."​

While it's commendable that Danny noticed his ball counting error and brought it to our to attention, what is not commendable is the manner in which he impugned John Schmidt's run.

The petty bickering that Danny and John engage in reminds me of the intense sibling rivalry I had with my brother many, many years ago. This petty bickering between John and Danny needs to stop as it is harming the reputation of the players and our sport.

If you look at Harrimans posts..all of them..first off I am sure most people would think he has anger issues and depression issues. He feels and types repeatedly about "secret clubs" that don't invite him to tournaments..brings up Schmidt with obvious envy and jealousy in 9 out of 10 posts and is simply angry at the world and feels he's due an apology from everyone he perceives wronged him.

But now with the run thing he's out of hand..I knew, like we all did, that he was absolutely hospital bound crazy/paranoid but now he's a liar too.
 
If you look at Harrimans posts..all of them..first off I am sure most people would think he has anger issues and depression issues. He feels and types repeatedly about "secret clubs" that don't invite him to tournaments..brings up Schmidt with obvious envy and jealousy in 9 out of 10 posts and is simply angry at the world and feels he's due an apology from everyone he perceives wronged him.

But now with the run thing he's out of hand..I knew, like we all did, that he was absolutely hospital bound crazy/paranoid but now he's a liar too.


Next time you run 351 give me a call. I might ship you $10,000! :cool:
 
Nowadays the standard for evidence for a high run is video -- end of story, so I don have to believe anyone's unsupported claim. Someone claiming a high number without video does not pass muster. And no one, with video of their run, is going to purposely claim a higher number than documented, because they know they're going to get busted. Doing otherwise does not make sense.

A little while back someone in the 14.1 forum even posted a doctored video of a run and was busted on that so your "argument" does not make sense. You have no facts, or evidence, to justify the accusations you've made against Danny. Not to mention that your own words refute your claim of being unbiased. If you're going to be an effective sock puppet you're going to have to do better.

Lou Figueroa

You fool..the facts are he claimed 379..actually ran 351 so he lied about 2 full racks of balls and his excuse was "I forgot I missed early in the run" thats all the evidence necessary whether I like him or hate him. USE FACTS and Harrimans own words - and opinions wont ever matter.
 
I understand that Jay/Eric offer doesnt limit just US players, but who are the US players that have a solid chance of beating this record.

1. Schmidt
2. Harriman
3. ?

Ken

JA, Shane if he did his homework for couple months, Max can run alot of balls, there are other guy's but they are long shots, personally i dont care if its a american or not, has nothing to do with the record.
 
Wow great run! He's from missouri like me sweet! Have not seen hole lot of show me state guys on here!
 
I understand that Jay/Eric offer doesnt limit just US players, but who are the US players that have a solid chance of beating this record.

1. Schmidt
2. Harriman
3. ?

Ken

If Eberle devoted the time he has the talent as well to break it.
 
I have a problem with both.

But you would run out of breath trying to convince anyone that claiming a 379 ball run and being congratulated for beating Schmidt for the highest taped run..then coming on 4 days later to say I forgot I missed a ball early in the run and so my count is off by 2 racks..sorry I know its a major problem..etc, is an honest guy or anyone should ever believe his run claims.

His credibility took a huge hit whether you want to understand it or not.

Palmer calm down. Danny thought he ran 379, have you ever made a mistake and been man enough to own up to it in public. He was in the zone had a long run wrote about it on the forum. He watched the video and then he called out his own error, if he was a liar he could just say something happened to the video and it got corrupted so it could not be viewed. He did not do that he had a pretty awesome run then when he was prepping the video he noticed the mistake he called out his own error, the world continues to turn.

So in closing I do not think he is a liar, I think you are acting badly. Be nice the game will be better for it.
 
Calm down????

Palmer calm down. Danny thought he ran 379, have you ever made a mistake and been man enough to own up to it in public. He was in the zone had a long run wrote about it on the forum. He watched the video and then he called out his own error, if he was a liar he could just say something happened to the video and it got corrupted so it could not be viewed. He did not do that he had a pretty awesome run then when he was prepping the video he noticed the mistake he called out his own error, the world continues to turn.

So in closing I do not think he is a liar, I think you are acting badly. Be nice the game will be better for it.

I have remained calm throughout this entire thread, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. You don't think he's a liar and thats great, I think otherwise. Expressing my point of view which many have agreed with certainly isn't "acting badly", we simply have different takes on the matter.
 
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