Congrats to Danny Harriman 379 Ball Run Highest Ever on Video

[Neil]

I understand that Jay/Eric offer doesnt limit just US players, but who are the US players that have a solid chance of beating this record.

1. Schmidt
2. Harriman
3. ?

Ken

Strickland has a higher run already than either of them. If he actually spent any time with the game, who knows what numbers he could put up??

 

[Underclocked]

I've played 14-1 perhaps as many as 3 or 4 times in my life so I'm certainly no expert but I have a question about how these run attempts are done... From what ball position is the run attempt started?

It would seem there would be some standard for that although I don't know what that standard is. But it seems straightforward to me that a run attempt ends when a ball is missed and you would then need to start again from that initial situation.

I can see the camera operator being inattentive and not catching a miss but how could the shooter simply continue a run attempt without that obvious break in the effort?? I just don't understand how that could happen.

 

[jasonlaus]

I have remained calm throughout this entire thread, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. You don't think he's a liar and thats great, I think otherwise. Expressing my point of view which many have agreed with certainly isn't "acting badly", we simply have different takes on the matter.

I noticed it says 14.1 student, not 14.1 Police.
So, you're saying he said 3 whatever(lying) then said it was actually 3 whatever telling the truth, or is he still lying?
Could you please repeat it again cause none of us are sure what you're saying with your first 20+posts
I could be lying about the # of nearly identical post you've made, be back in 4 days to tell the truth after I've counted them

 

[Palmerfan]

I've played 14-1 perhaps as many as 3 or 4 times in my life so I'm certainly no expert but I have a question about how these run attempts are done... From what ball position is the run attempt started?

It would seem there would be some standard for that although I don't know what that standard is. But it seems straightforward to me that a run attempt ends when a ball is missed and you would then need to start again from that initial situation.

I can see the camera operator being inattentive and not catching a miss but how could the shooter simply continue a run attempt without that obvious break in the effort?? I just don't understand how that could happen.

Very logical post and one of the reasons why people have a problem with the "mistake"

 

[Palmerfan]

What???

I noticed it says 14.1 student, not 14.1 Police.
So, you're saying he said 3 whatever(lying) then said it was actually 3 whatever telling the truth, or is he still lying?
Could you please repeat it again cause none of us are sure what you're saying with your first 20+posts
I could be lying about the # of nearly identical post you've made, be back in 4 days to tell the truth after I've counted them

Lets make it simple..he claimed to run 379 balls and he didnt. You can call it a mistake or a lie..I came to my assumption based on Harrimans own posts, not any opinion. Maybe focus on his posts and not mine and you would understand things a little clearer..also you shouldnt say "none of us" as plenty agree with me.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... It would seem there would be some standard for that although I don't know what that standard is. ...

The way Derby City ran was that each attempt started with a 14-ball rack, one object ball placed in a good break position and the cue ball in hand anywhere. There was one additional requirement that neither "loose" ball be within a ball diameter of any other ball. Not necessarily a standard, but I think that's the way a lot of players start their runs. At the SBE this year, any attempt continued from the position left by a miss, so only the first shot of an attempt was from a hand-set breakshot.

 

[Underclocked]

Thanks Bob, that tells me there really is no standard for such run attempts? I still don't see how one could overlook a miss as it seems to me that would stand out in a players mind like a wasp sting.

If it was a person watching a long video of a run and counting balls, the mistake could be made in that effort - especially if the counter was not the actual shooter. If Danny took someone else's word for the ball count, he should fire that ball counter.

 

[jasonlaus]

Lets make it simple..he claimed to run 379 balls and he didnt. You can call it a mistake or a lie..I came to my assumption based on Harrimans own posts, not any opinion. Maybe focus on his posts and not mine and you would understand things a little clearer..also you shouldnt say "none of us" as plenty agree with me.

You're saying he said he ran 379 balls and didn't? He said he didn't, and it was a mistake.
Seems to me it's more of a conclusion than an assumption on your part.
Grow up
Waiting for you to explain exactly what HE was thinking once again

 

[Palmerfan]

You're saying he said he ran 379 balls and didn't? He said he didn't, and it was a mistake.
Seems to me it's more of a conclusion than an assumption on your part.
Grow up
Waiting for you to explain exactly what HE was thinking once again

"Grow up"..you sound like a fool..he said he ran 379...days later he said "there is a major problem" and admitted a miss that he "forgot about"..very hard to believe. I don't need to explain anything..Harriman does, your waiting for the wrong person to explain why they lied or made a 28 ball mistake..LOL..if that is at all possible of believable to any player in the world.

 

[Palmerfan]

Logic is tough for Harriman fans

Thanks Bob, that tells me there really is no standard for such run attempts? I still don't see how one could overlook a miss as it seems to me that would stand out in a players mind like a wasp sting.

If it was a person watching a long video of a run and counting balls, the mistake could be made in that effort - especially if the counter was not the actual shooter. If Danny took someone else's word for the ball count, he should fire that ball counter.

Perfect point..but the ones here who want to defend Harriman's lie/"mistake" (LOL) will make up some scenario that will make no sense..bottom line he claimed a number he didnt shoot..call it whatever you want.

 

[Tin Man]

See the problem starts from the very beginning of your post and then the end. You say it was "an honest mistake"...that is purely your opinion and not substantiated by the facts. The facts are he said he ran 379 had people congratulate him on breaking Schmidts record and it turns out he inflated the run by 28 balls..you are giving me opinion as to why he made a mistake in the count about racks and high numbers but every pro player with high runs knows their exact number...runs higher then 351 or 379..the guys in the 400's all know EXACTLY how many balls the made.

And the end about "shaking hands" and "a pleasant memory" and the "I hope I see you again" and calling him "Sir" just shows that you are a fan of his that wants to stick up for him under any circumstance..which is fine, unfortunately you are biased and not neutral because you are a fan and can't see the facts for what they are. Fact is he claimed a 379 and ran 351...351 is a great run, but it isn't 379 so don't claim to run that amount..especially when that amount would have been the highest ever on tape, which now we know he didn't do it and the record is still 366 by Schmidt. You are biased because you're a fan..its not uncommon and completely understandable, just not the right person to comment as a fan of his instead of a neutral party.

You told me that my belief in this being unintentional is my opinion and biased by me being a fan. I'll agree to that. I don't know for sure, and it is based on my experiences with him in person and on this forum.

If that's the case then your statement that this was deliberate is also an opinion, equally biased by the fact that you are not a fan.

Notice I didn't say you're wrong, just that the same rules apply and you cannot state that my beliefs are opinions and yours are facts. You say 'the fact is' but then you proceed to describe the mistake. We're not debated a mistake was made, only why he made it. That's where facts are unavailable and it becomes a matter of opinion. And my opinion is innocent until proven guilty.

However, I don't have any issues with you feeling differently or expressing those views. I appreciate your professionalism and the fact that we can respectfully disagree. The irony with some of these other posts is that they are angry because they feel when a guy makes a mistake you should let it go and not make a federal case about it. When you didn't do this to their satisfaction now they aren't letting it go and are making a federal case out of your opinion. Lead by example I say. I would like to cut him some slack, so even though I disagree with you on this it's pretty trivial and I wouldn't want this to come between the friendship we share in this game.

 

[CreeDo]

I'm the last guy to defend Danny normally, but palmerfan... believe it or not, missing an entire rack is not impossible for these guys. they go through 14 balls like it's nothing. After twenty racks it's easy to lose track. I know that's hard to believe for us normal humans who are thrilled to even run five racks.

I'm sure if Danny wanted to BS everyone he'd just say the video got lost, our the first few racks got cut off, rather than embarrass himself by posting and then retracting it.


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[one stroke]

"Grow up"..you sound like a fool..he said he ran 379...days later he said "there is a major problem" and admitted a miss that he "forgot about"..very hard to believe. I don't need to explain anything..Harriman does, your waiting for the wrong person to explain why they lied or made a 28 ball mistake..LOL..if that is at all possible of believable to any player in the world.

So how do you know if he realy missed the ball did you see it or are you now taking his word for it,



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[Palmerfan]

Agreed

You told me that my belief in this being unintentional is my opinion and biased by me being a fan. I'll agree to that. I don't know for sure, and it is based on my experiences with him in person and on this forum.

If that's the case then your statement that this was deliberate is also an opinion, equally biased by the fact that you are not a fan.

Notice I didn't say you're wrong, just that the same rules apply and you cannot state that my beliefs are opinions and yours are facts. You say 'the fact is' but then you proceed to describe the mistake. We're not debated a mistake was made, only why he made it. That's where facts are unavailable and it becomes a matter of opinion. And my opinion is innocent until proven guilty.

However, I don't have any issues with you feeling differently or expressing those views. I appreciate your professionalism and the fact that we can respectfully disagree. The irony with some of these other posts is that they are angry because they feel when a guy makes a mistake you should let it go and not make a federal case about it. When you didn't do this to their satisfaction now they aren't letting it go and are making a federal case out of your opinion. Lead by example I say. I would like to cut him some slack, so even though I disagree with you on this it's pretty trivial and I wouldn't want this to come between the friendship we share in this game.

I agree 100%..people have different positions on issues and no need to ever get heated over it which I don't think either of us has done. Obviously we are on opposite sides of this issue which happens all the time. I only have one correction on your post which is I didn't give my opinion until after I showed Harrimans posts, which are facts in this instance...so I laid out the facts first for people to decide for themselves and only after that I offered my opinion which many both agree with and disagree with.

Also the innocent until proven guilty reference is fair and pertains to me as well..as much as you feel I can't prove you are wrong, you cant prove I am either. You feel he deserves the benefit of the doubt, and obviously I don't. So I respect your post it was honest and fair and shows people arent always going to agree and thats fine. If other posters want to bring it to a nasty place I certainly won't back down from what I believe so makes no difference to me with guys like them.

 

[jasonlaus]

"Grow up"..you sound like a fool..he said he ran 379...days later he said "there is a major problem" and admitted a miss that he "forgot about"..very hard to believe. I don't need to explain anything..Harriman does, your waiting for the wrong person to explain why they lied or made a 28 ball mistake..LOL..if that is at all possible of believable to any player in the world.

He doesn't need to explain anything. He said he made a mistake it's over!

I do a job that you have to be right 100% of the time, with 2 other people verifying you are correct, and guess what, mistakes still happen. I've had one myself and all 3 of us would have bet everything we own that it wasn't us that made the mistake.

I understand it doesn't "seem" possible but mistakes happen, even when you're 100% sure you've done everything right.
I'm also very aware of the backstory between Danny and John, but doing something like this intentionally just makes John look that much better - which is the last thing Danny would want

 

[Palmerfan]

doesn't matter now

So how do you know if he realy missed the ball did you see it or are you now taking his word for it,

I don't care how the lie evolved..missed ball..scratch, makes no difference to me. He can lie about that as well if he likes, his credibility is shot anyway..may as well go to town with the BS.

 

[liakos]

I admit, I haven't read this entire thread!!! But, why the hell is everyone going crazy over the #????? Ok, so he said 379, he then looked at the vid and said uh oh,,,,, I missed a ball!!!!!!!!! I only ran 351!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you people, who cares, the guy ran over 300 ball!!!! How many people on this planet can do that? All I can say is this, Danny, if you read this, and you give lessons, please pm me a way to contact you for info! I'm B+/A- player and looking to improve!!!! Again, congrats on the run!!!!!

 

[Palmerfan]

He doesn't need to explain anything. He said he made a mistake it's over!

To you it is and to others like me it is not at all.

I do a job that you have to be right 100% of the time, with 2 other people verifying you are correct, and guess what, mistakes still happen. I've had one myself and all 3 of us would have bet everything we own that it wasn't us that made the mistake.

Thats fine and has nothing to do with Harriman inflating a run.

I understand it doesn't "seem" possible but mistakes happen, even when you're 100% sure you've done everything right.
I'm also very aware of the backstory between Danny and John, but doing something like this intentionally just makes John look that much better - which is the last thing Danny would want

If you understand it doesnt seem possible then you agree with me. It already made Harriman look very bad, which by your description would make John look good so Harriman did that on his own. But I also wonder why he didn't short himself by 28 balls but instead added 28 balls since mistakes are so common place when practicing alone with no fouls.

 

[Palmerfan]

I hear you

I'm the last guy to defend Danny normally, but palmerfan... believe it or not, missing an entire rack is not impossible for these guys. they go through 14 balls like it's nothing. After twenty racks it's easy to lose track. I know that's hard to believe for us normal humans who are thrilled to even run five racks.

I'm sure if Danny wanted to BS everyone he'd just say the video got lost, our the first few racks got cut off, rather than embarrass himself by posting and then retracting it.

Creedo I respectfully disagree "missing a rack" or in Harrimans case missing 2 racks when you are on the best run of your life (his previous high run was 280) you always know EXACTLY the number..look on any youtube high run video..ask any 14.1 player..they will all say the same thing in a practice run without fouls..counting racks is like breathing to them. To be off by one ball, maybe even 2 balls would shock me..to be off by 28 is something never heard before by any 14.1 player, and again notice how he didn't short himself 28 balls...he added them. Too absurd for me to accept especially since the 379 # would have given him the highest run on tape ever..passing 366 by Schmidt who he loathes.

Again I see where you are going and how you rationalize it but the way it played out and the amount of balls added...just doesnt pass the BS test for me.

But I understand how it looks to you.

 

[jasonlaus]

To you it is and to others like me it is not at all.



Thats fine and has nothing to do with Harriman inflating a run.



If you understand it doesnt seem possible then you agree with me. It already made Harriman look very bad, which by your description would make John look good so Harriman did that on his own. But I also wonder why he didn't short himself by 28 balls but instead added 28 balls since mistakes are so common place when practicing alone with no fouls.

I in no way agree with you - people make mistakes.
I'll leave you alone with your torment over this end of the world situation. Hope you can get on with your life at some point
Best of luck
Jason