WPBL (Bonus Ball) - Hohmann 60 Ball Run on Youtube

You know, instead of constantly asking this stupid question, why not acknowledge the significant investment made project to date, give them your financial support if you like the product or flame away on a forum if that is your thing. But, enough with the ignorant questions that have obvious answers.

It is a business, not a charity. If there is not a reasonable expectation that there will be a return on their investment, they will stop investing.

Do you think they put "X" amount in the bank and said "spend this and when it is gone we are done"

Good god people.. This is no different than any other business proposition.
Make an investment, expect a return.
Risk - Reward.
Free market capitalism.

It's hard to keep up with who is pro-bonus ball, anti-bonus ball, or on the fence. I am more pro-bonus ball....but I will rib them a little from time to time.
 
It's hard to keep up with who is pro-bonus ball, anti-bonus ball, or on the fence. I am more pro-bonus ball....but I will rib them a little from time to time.
Gotcha... I support anyone who is investing in pool, what counts at the end of the day is if the public supports these projects and that includes TAR, BCAPL, Dragon, WPBL, WPBA and so on.

What is funny and sadly predictable are the responses to the outcome

1) failure -
- "it was a bad concept poorly executed"
- " if they had listened to us it would have succeeded"
- "I told you they didn't have the money"


2) moderate success -
- "greedy bastards are taking advantage of the working stiffs"
- "this should be a free stream, what gives them the right to charge so much for PPV"


3) runaway success
- " they are ruining the game"
- general hate for successful people by those without the balls or motivation to get off their ass and take a risk
 
I watched about forty minutes of the match posted to YouTube. The production looks great as I expected it would. The commentary was very good as well. Jeremy is one of the best calling any game and the other guy filled his roll well without being overbearing. The graphics were clean, easy to read and looked sharp. Some of the camera switches were not to my taste but that happens in every production. Overall it looks outstanding.

Personally the game doesn't grab me as I feel like there is always one more rule that comes into play at some point. I'm sure this is because I just do not know the game but it was significant enough that I stopped watching only the video after about twenty minutes and was going back and forth for another twenty before just stopping altogether. I don't care for the 24 second clock as I feel that the guys are in a constant rush to do SOMETHING. It also doesnt leave much time for the commentator to develop the situation before it changes and starts all over again. The game itself is just not for me. Maybe that could change but I doubt it.

I realize this probably wasnt the flame war starting post you were looking for but my only issues with BB all along were the manner in which the organization has handled itself in several situations and the fact no one seems too concerned about asking if the prize money is actually there. The players and production are top notch.

The streaming thing will get fixed and I suspect more features will be added. I do not see it taking traditional pool fans by storm but depending on who you listen to that wasnt the point anyway. It looks great. All they have to do now is find a way to sell it before the weekly payroll busts them. If that happens then everyone goes home in a limo. Time will tell.

I don't know whether it will hit a big market maybe it will be like Jai Alai in Florida and other places for gambling

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It's hard to keep up with who is pro-bonus ball, anti-bonus ball, or on the fence. I am more pro-bonus ball....but I will rib them a little from time to time.

If hookers were using pool sticks as sex toys and using cases to carry them in you would be for that too as it would create another market so it's hard to take someone who has a vested interest as a in biased opinion

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I guess I'm in the minority on the following two issues but I actually like the ball girls and the jerseys. I wouldn't change either.
 
Hi, I'm really impressed by the video. And I realised that from watching it for the 1st time you won't have an idea how difficult it is until seeing how Thorsten was strugling for only a run of 20 balls. ( i'm the guy who run 30-50 daily on 14-1 ).
I love everything excepts :
- the girl ( as most ppl here said )
- the t-shirt, sorry but it cheaps down the whole thing
- the color of the balls, i think you should make it with brighter and more eye-catching color

Good luck
 
If hookers were using pool sticks as sex toys and using cases to carry them in you would be for that too as it would create another market so it's hard to take someone who has a vested interest as a in biased opinion

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Huh? Of course I would support anything that creates a market for what I make. Do you need a case for your strap-on collection? I'd be happy to try and make one to fit all your fetish gear needs. Of course if they are too bizarre I might need to send your order to a few of my friends in Amsterdam who have a little basement shop that specializes in any kind of leather appendage anyone can imagine. I am confident they could take care of your tiny thing.
 
Nathan,

I wrote earlier I had trouble knowing which pockets belonged to which team, and it had to do with the camera angles/zoom. I just watched a few shots again, and want to revise that statement.

I could see the jersey color and pocket color. And at the bottom of the screen I could see what team was on what ball. What I was losing track of was which team is which color jersey. Maybe in time we'd memorize this. Right now both teams at the bottom of the screen have the same font/color/etc. If there was a way for the viewer to know in that text area which team was which jersey color, that may help the viewer follow the game better.
 
I'd get rid of Lee Brett and two ball girls (no offense intended to them) and do the "Michaela Tabb" thing and get a pleasant looking female referee with a personality. Even the Chinese are doing the similar thing and have a hot looking female referee in their tournaments!

For some reason, Rachael Abbink with a redhead comes to my mind ...

Also, after watching the video, if you are going to go after the "flash" mode, why not have pockets lit up. It will be easier for audience to follow which pockets they are suppose to be shooting at. And I agree with changing the ball color to be more TV friendly ... that purple ain't so.
 
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I'd get rid of Lee Brett and two ball girls (no offense intended to them) and do the "Michaela Tabb" thing and get a pleasant looking female referee with a personality. Even the Chinese are doing the similar thing and have a hot looking female referee in their tournaments!

For some reason, Rachael Abbink with a redhead comes to my mind ...

Also, after watching the video, if you are going to go after the "flash" mode, why not have pockets lit up. It will be easier for audience to follow which pockets they are suppose to be shooting at. And I agree with changing the ball color to be more TV friendly ... that purple ain't so.

I could vote for Rachel as a referee and as a player.
 
Wow you really have a hard-on for me don't you? You put a strap-on on your ass? That's pretty kinky I don't think I have ever heard of that move before, got a video of you demonstrating it. I think I am going to have call BS on that one unless you show us some proof. And I don't want to hear any nonsense about having to PPV it either. Show us how you work it with the backwards strap-on.

Who said my opinion about Bonus Ball should be taken seriously? Do you honestly think that Bonus Ball is going to change anything they intend to do based on my opinion? I don't, but if I happen to say something that they use then great, send me a big fat BB check for listening to my opinion :-)

Your feeding the trolls :)
 
- the color of the balls, i think you should make it with brighter and more eye-catching color

Aramith wouldnt make us custom colors, but we're hoping now that we're actually up and running, they may take us more seriously. We also have samples from another company on the way that will make us custom colors, so we'll let the players try those and see if they quality is acceptable.

If there was a way for the viewer to know in that text area which team was which jersey color, that may help the viewer follow the game better.

Agreed. I'd like to update the graphical ticker already, but I just have too many other things to work on. Hopefully I can get to it eventually, and add a white/black indicator. Its just so much damn code to deal with right now.

Also, after watching the video, if you are going to go after the "flash" mode, why not have pockets lit up.

I'm doing my best to be innovative, yet preserve the integrity of the actual game, meaning that anything that would shark or obscure a players ability, is not an option. Lights in the pockets would not go over well with the players....even though it would look cool. :)
 
Your feeding the trolls :)

:-) Nah they are feeding me. Every little attack lets me put up another "ad". They are literally feeding me because all those ad impressions leads to more orders.

Thanks trolls! My daughter appreciates it that you support her fledgling princess dress and tiara habit.
 
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It was the first match on youtube I've ever shut off after 15min.For me it was God
awful and odd to watch.I find Scotch Doubles bad enough,this is approaching
torture imo.

I'm gonna respectfully disagree. I think as a game, its definitely interesting. And to be honest, it seems like it might be fun to play. I see a lot of elements of a number of different games combined that do seem to make it a bit of an 'all around' kinda game. Snooker, banks, 1 pocket, 14&1, etc..

Do I think this will save pool or be the wave of the future? No. But if I walked into a pool room and someone asked if I wanted to give it a shot, yeah. I actually would.
 
I really enjoyed watching the match, and the 60 point shoot out run was icing on the cake. Bonus Ball is legit, anyone who doesn't think so either hasn't watched or doesn't want to see.
 
Bonus ball is really cool.

Really loving it so far ... Excellent production and once you know all the details of the lighting and the scoreboard, it REALLY makes it interesting.

GREAT JOB, and I really wish BB the best of luck !

REV
 
Regarding the time clock, I liked it. I also liked how the players even used it to their advantage, like in a football game. The Frost team used it in such a way during one game they were way behind in to force a playoff.
 
To Nathan:

If you change the colors of the balls, please pretty please pay attention to choices that make it difficult for color blind people to follow along. (roughly 8 or 9% of male population). The biggest one is red-green color blind, which makes it impossible to differentiate between red/green/brown, and blue/purple. For example, the absolute worst combination of ball colors would be :red, green, brown.

And if you do consider new sets of balls, maybe something like:
solid red = 1 point
striped blue/yellow = 2 points
solid black = 3 points

This way, a standard rack of balls can more easily be used to simulate the game.
 
I'm still interested. I'm not sure if the timing for this is right, starting out right as we head into summer. I can't see me paying to watch this at this time. Maybe come the fall....I don't know.

As others have said the production value is real nice. There is something that's just a bit off to me though. Not sure what it is. It's almost like this is being shot from the scene of one of those 90's movies that is depicting the future. If that makes any sense. Maybe it's just the color schemes that are throwing me off.

The other thing I noticed was that heads are being clipped. Someone may have already mentioned this. You have the girls there and all you can see are their legs half the time. Even the players when they are standing at the head of the table have their heads missing.

I am interested in seeing how this plays out. I'm not crazy about the actual game but all of our games had to be created at one point in time, so I'll be open minded about it.
 
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