>90 degree rail spin shots (SloMo)

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I posted this over on OnePocket.org, but I thought maybe some of my cohorts here on AZB would enjoy this video, and perhaps start a good discussion about what's happening.

I noticed that even though the true contact point should have overcut the OB back into the rail, the CIT ( collision-induced throw) not only offset the angle, but apparently, also the CIS (collision-induced spin), thus sending the OB home to its pocket.

What do you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgQyhSxIHvw

Special thanks to Bill Smith, aka "Mr3cushion" for the challenge!

Thanks,

-Blake
 
Morning bump.

I really think a lot of you would like this video. These are some pretty cool shots.

Apologies if a too-soon bump is uncouth. I'm not selling anything though.

:)

-Blake
 
Good demonstration of the various englishes a slice shot. You can see, depending on what english you use, where the cueball goes, which is good for knowing where you're going to leave the cueball for the next shot as opposed to a scratch. :wink:
 
Let the battle begin. SloMo if you want a ton of response to the thread just rename it the ball first backwards cut,

Thanks for taking the time to put these together.
 
Eagleshot said:
Let the battle begin. SloMo if you want a ton of response to the thread just rename it the ball first backwards cut,

Thanks for taking the time to put these together.
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Lol, no thanks!

I did credit Mr 3 Cushion for giving me the inspiration to shoot / try this. I do respect his game.

:)

Anyway,

Enjoy!

-Blake
 
Blake excellent demonstration of a shot all players should have in their bag. I actually passed on just this shot to win a match in league earlier in the year. I missed the bank :(.

I think people watching the video should note he did these on the short end of the tables and used his cue and along with ball spacing to repeatedly gauge the setup. When practicing use a consistent CB distance and shoot the same shot multiple times to get the feel, along with the important consistent swerve. The in the kitchen version with the OB in the middle of the foot rail is more difficult due to the distance of both the CB and OB to pocket.

Notice when Blake made the shot the CB generally struck the OB such that the OB did not go straight into the pocket rather it went toward the pocket by first going into the rail. On these shots the CB path off the OB was slightly toward the end rail rather than straight across the table as it would if the OB went straight to the pocket. I only watched it once so I am not sure if the CB ever went straight across the table but I expect more often than not the CB slightly overcuts the OB and thus the CB generally will never go up table and rarely goes straight across off the OB. The second time back across the table is always either a straight path across or slightly up table in these nice controlled shots by Blake.

Speed, spin and rail target all play into control factors for this type of shot, the slower CB speed will allow the spin to have a bigger effect. Definitly a TOI shot.

Great demonstration video.
 
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Great post, great video. I'm subscribed to you on YouTube for good reason! It's amazing how I KNOW this is exactly what happens with the cue ball and object ball when I'm playing in real time, but seeing it in slow motion is really something else.
 
They are hit rail first as anyone can see. The shot was suppose to of been hit ball first as claimed on onepocket forum.
 
SloMoHolic said:
Morning bump.

I really think a lot of you would like this video. These are some pretty cool shots.:)

-Blake
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It is an excellant shot.
I am NOT sure how many pool players,( even the" A "players& Pro level players ) can make that shot in one attempt.

Many years ago I saw a top Pro player late Tony Ellin making that shot in a tournament match. You are given only one chance in matches and not 10 attempts.

I liked it:cool:
 
vagabond said:
It is an excellant shot.
I am NOT sure how many pool players,( even the" A "players& Pro level players ) can make that shot in one attempt.

Many years ago I saw a top Pro player late Tony Ellin making that shot in a tournament match. You are given only one chance in matches and not 10 attempts.

I liked it:cool:
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I pratice the cut too..yet when it comes up , I'm more likely to play it three rails to the
side pocket ; or one rail back at me in the corner..If I'm just playing for fun I'll give the
cut a go..as for the long table shot..its two rails to the corner, three rails to the side,or one rail back at me..playing nine ball..hit it firmer an it goes four rails back down to the
corner..but again thats playing with out pressure.
have a good one.
 
elvicash said:
Blake excellent demonstration of a shot all players should have in their bag. I actually passed on just this shot to win a match in league earlier in the year. I missed the bank :(.

I think people watching the video should note he did these on the short end of the tables and used his cue and along with ball spacing to repeatedly gauge the setup. When practicing use a consistent CB distance and shoot the same shot multiple times to get the feel, along with the important consistent swerve. The in the kitchen version with the OB in the middle of the foot rail is more difficult due to the distance of both the CB and OB to pocket.

Notice when Blake made the shot the CB generally struck the OB such that the OB did not go straight into the pocket rather it went toward the pocket by first going into the rail. On these shots the CB path off the OB was slightly toward the end rail rather than straight across the table as it would if the OB went straight to the pocket. I only watched it once so I am not sure if the CB ever went straight across the table but I expect more often than not the CB slightly overcuts the OB and thus the CB generally will never go up table and rarely goes straight across off the OB. The second time back across the table is always either a straight path across or slightly up table in these nice controlled shots by Blake.

Speed, spin and rail target all play into control factors for this type of shot, the slower CB speed will allow the spin to have a bigger effect. Definitly a TOI shot.

Great demonstration video.
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great video blake

i was surprised to see the cue ball go towards the short rail
i never would have thought the shot could be made by cutting it into the rail
 
SloMoHolic said:
Morning bump.

I really think a lot of you would like this video. These are some pretty cool shots.

Apologies if a too-soon bump is uncouth. I'm not selling anything though.

:)

-Blake
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Always enjoy your video's Blake!
Keep them comin!
 
backplaying said:
They are hit rail first as anyone can see. The shot was suppose to of been hit ball first as claimed on onepocket forum.
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From OnePocket.org:


mr3cushion said:
I have an idea, why don't you post a video claiming you can make the shot from positions 2 and 3 hitting RAIL FIRST! I know I'd like to learn how to do it! Now, don't forget ALL the camera views and slomo camera work that you required of me!

Bill Smith "Mr3Cushion"
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SloMoHolic said:
Hi Bill,

I hope you don't take offense to this, but I just tried your shot and made it from all three positions, going rail first. I captured it in simultaneous HD video and slow motion video. I'll put it together in a little bit. (I'm watching Bonus Ball now :yikes: ).

...

Also, I know that making these three shots rail-first in no way proves that they can't be made ball-first. It only proves that they can be made rail-first.

And my cue ball didn't quite react the same way yours did, but it was close. You'll see what I mean. Perhaps it was due to a difference of equipment. My cloth is very old and needs to be replaced!

Thanks for the challenge. I had no idea I could kick-cut a ball from such an extreme angle! Great shot!

Sincerely,

-Blake
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'Nuff said.
 
I'd sure like to see a video of someone that says they can make it hitting ball first! (and not using a masse' shot) I don't think it can be done.

As to where the cb ends up, that is totally dependent on the carom angle off the ob. You wouldn't think so, but there is a small margin of error (as shown in the video) to make the ball. That margin of error gives a small change in the carom angle, which translated over the length of the table can be as much as a diamond and a half.
 
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Wow, thanks for the kind words, guys!

elvicash
weakfingers
vagabond
bbb
pablocruz

It's a great shot! Obviously aggressive, especially in 1P, but it could still come in handy some day if you need it.

Thanks to Bill Smith, Mr. 3 Cushion for bringing it to my attention. I still have MUCH to learn from you!

I'm glad you enjoyed this video.

Weakfingers, I'm uploading a new SloMo video right now that has nothing to do with pool, but you might like it. Some clips from Eeyore's 50th Birthday celebration.

Craziness in Austin...

Enjoy.

;)

-Blake
 
Neil said:
I'd sure like to see a video of someone that says they can make it hitting ball first! (and not using a masse' shot) I don't think it can be done.

As to where the cb ends up, that is totally dependent on the carom angle off the ob. You wouldn't think so, but there is a small margin of error (as shown in the video) to make the ball. That margin of error gives a small change in the carom angle, which translated over the length of the table can be as much as a diamond and a half.
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Alas, I haven't yet been able to make it going ball-first, but I believe it is possible. I'm still working on that.

But your second point is right on. Look at the first clip in the video, and you'll see that I must have "cut" that ball 30 degrees into the rail. But the CIT and CIS, along with a slight "bank", send the OB right in the hole. Incredible.

Thanks for checking it out!

-Blake
 
I think it's funny that the first thing I notices was JJ in the background.
Watching bonus ball and recording.
 
SloMoHolic said:
Alas, I haven't yet been able to make it going ball-first, but I believe it is possible. I'm still working on that.

But your second point is right on. Look at the first clip in the video, and you'll see that I must have "cut" that ball 30 degrees into the rail. But the CIT and CIS, along with a slight "bank", send the OB right in the hole. Incredible.

Thanks for checking it out!

-Blake
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I thought Mr Smith had a video out there ball first long table?
I pretty sure I've seen Bob J. make the shot long table as well.
keep at it..
 
spanky79 said:
I think it's funny that the first thing I notices was JJ in the background.
Watching bonus ball and recording.
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Yep, if you listen closely, it's almost like he's talking about my table! I got a kick out of the good timing.

:)
 
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