Bonus Ball Schedule Changes

[JumpinJoe]

I think the better question is why didn't Ultimate and Southern Classic reschedule their events??!!??

:grin-square:

They had a schedule out sir long ago. Bonus ball was suppose to be over and done with season 1 already. They were slated to start thanksgiving weekend. If they had their shit together they would not have been delayed like 3/4 times and for like 5 months.

 

[JumpinJoe]

$1000 that's before taxes and expenses so what do they honestly make playing bonus ball?? If bonus ball truly cared about the players then would look at a list of the major tourneys an not have league the weeks of major tournaments just my opinion

Yes that's before taxes. And the captains are the only ones making $1,030. The other players get $930.
So $1,860 bi weekly. $3,720 monthly. Also subtract 2 air flights for a lot of players, and the extra expenses of housing for these commuting back home.

So at the end of the day, the best in the land are clearing an average of say $625 a week, or $2,500 a month.

And don't forget this is only for 6 months if season 2 never happens. So my question to the PROS, is it worth it to risk other industry events you have always depended on and may need to depend on again in the future for a measly $15k

 

[Poolshootindon]

New Soap Opera

You know, I just took me a peek at the pro players list for the Ultimate 10-Ball Championship and the Southern Classic. Ultimate is June 16-20 and Southern Classic runs right after it on June 21-29. I noticed that Johnny Archer is playing in both events. It is kind of neat that they run consecutively for the pro players as far as travel.

What I don't understand, is how come the Bonus Ball has a gap in their schedule for June 16-20, allowing the players to compete in the Ultimate, yet the Bonus Ball resumes play on June 21st -- the *EXACT SAME TIME* as Southern Classic? What is that all about?! :angry:

Here's the Bonus Ball schedule ---> HERE

In another thread, Fast Lenny wrote to Mark Griffin that Mark's events are safe from Bonus Ball schedule. Is Bonus Ball going to change their schedule for Mark Griffin's event to allow the players to go to Mark Griffin's tournaments?

Well, what about Greg Sullivan's Southern Classic on June 21-29? If Bonus Ball can accommodate Ultimate and Mark Griffin's events, why can't they do it for Greg Sullivan's Southern Classic? It would seem to me that this would not only be nice for the pro players, allowing them to earn some extra dough, but it would make sense economically speaking for them if they're already in Tunica.

If Bonus Ball schedule ran simultaneously with Ultimate *and* Southern Classic, I wouldn't pose this question, but I just looked at the Bonus Ball schedule, and it seems to me like Bonus Ball altered their schedule to allow the players to compete in Ultimate. If Bonus Ball can do it for Ultimate, why not Southern Classic? Especially since both tournaments, Ultimate and Southern Classic, are back to back in the same exact place, same town, same venue.

Now, I recognize this Ultimate promoter is the darling of the blue bloods in the pool world today because of his kind generosity and willingness to make something happen. But to run over Greg Sullivan like this, who's been making something happen for years, well, this doesn't sit right with me as a pool fan. In fact, after looking at that Bonus Ball schedule, I think it stinks to high heaven.

Is this a deliberate move on Bonus Ball's part to run over Greg Sullivan's Southern Classic? How come that Johnny Archer always gets favoritism, this time from Bonus Ball, and the other players can't play in Southern Classic like he is? What's up with that?

If Johnny can do it, then so, too, should those other players.

Something doesn't gel right here. If BB is going to accommodate one, they should do it for all, and that not only includes the players, but it also includes valued pool promoters like Greg Sullivan.

I'm all for the players being able to earn a living, but not with this kind of hanky panky with the Bonus Ball schedule. Something ain't right here.

Jam.. From earlier discussions I was under the impression that Bonus Ball was the Holy Grail and Pool had just been saved.

Now it seems to be causing more of a separation of the Pool community than unity.

How about we make a new Soap Opera.

We can call it " As The Pool World Turns".

Don :thumbup:

 

[watchez]

Yes that's before taxes. And the captains are the only ones making $1,030. The other players get $930.
So $1,860 bi weekly. $3,720 monthly. Also subtract 2 air flights for a lot of players, and the extra expenses of housing for these commuting back home.

So at the end of the day, the best in the land are clearing an average of say $625 a week, or $2,500 a month.

And don't forget this is only for 6 months if season 2 never happens. So my question to the PROS, is it worth it to risk other industry events you have always depended on and may need to depend on again in the future for a measly $15k

I'm sure the pros have been sold that the money will increase over time, just like any good pyramid scheme preaches.

JAM - I lose track but I thought you were pro-BB?

 

[JAM]

I'm sure the pros have been sold that the money will increase over time, just like any good pyramid scheme preaches.

JAM - I lose track but I thought you were pro-BB?

Actually, I am pro professional player, and if BB can provide an income to the pros, then I'm pro-BB.

I admire Nathan's innovativeness as well as Fast Lenny's enthusiasm. After all, they're the face of BB on AzBilliards.

That said, how dare BB schedule their event right on top of the Southern Classic, a tournament that's been in the books long before BB came to the pool scene. :angry:

What bothers me about it is this. As soon as BB discovers that their schedule interferes with Ultimate, they change their schedule, allowing the BB players to attend Ultimate in Tunica, but then they resume BB play the first day of the Southern Classic. :frown:

The Southern Classic is happening at the *EXACT SAME* venue, location, hotel as the Ultimate -- *AND* begins immediately followng the day Ultimate ends. It would make sense for the players to stay in Tunica and compete in both events, giving them a chance to save on travel expenses to and from Vegas and maybe cash in one of the events. As we know, Southern Classic has multiple events, several of which are tailored for the pros.

Why would BB accommodate Ultimate, after stepping on their schedule, and not accommodate Southern Classic? They could have easily done this. I mean, after all, by the looks of the stands on the BB set, nobody is flocking to their doors to watch this up front and close in Vegas, except the pro players and their girlfriends, like Jesse's kittykat. Looks like the info she's received thirdhand was wrong, poor gal. :embarrassed2:

Then there's Johnny Archer directing traffic, in the ear of Larry from Canada, and ordering the BB players to leave Tunica after Ultimate to return to Vegas. In other words, Johnny Archer is telling the BB players to diss Greg Sullivan, a man who's given these guys free entry, free room and board, put free money in their pocket for expenses for years, long before BB came to the fore.

The pro players are following Johnny Archer like trained little pigs to the BB stage in Vegas. Meanwhile, when BB implodes -- and we all know what its future holds -- Johnny will still have a roof over his head in Georgia, a stakehorse who will cough up dough and other niceties at Johnny's whim, sponsors who want to use Johnny's likeness on their products while he's still releveant, and a pool room to generate income.

The other BB pros who are following Johnny's direction will be left in the dust. Make no mistake about it here. Johnny is looking out for Johnny, not the future of professional pool, when he directs these BB players to not compete in the Southern Classic.

I blame Johnny Archer for this scheduling snafu. He could have stopped it, like he did for Ultimate, but he didn't. I know what it's like to help someone in this pool industry with my time and effort, only to be kicked in the teeth down the road. I haven't ever forgotten how I felt -- and how I still feel about it. Well, I'm sure this is what Greg Suillivan feels like, but it's more like a thousand-fold. After all he's done and then to have this happen. :

So, yes, Watchez, I am pro-BB. I want the players to have a normal income. I'm all for that, but not after learning how BB is handling their schedule changes, which, by the way, have been changed over and over and over again. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. :smile:

 

[center pocket]

There is a logical solution to all of this.

Bonus Ball should accommodate all the stateside major tournaments this season. All stateside major tournaments schedule their events during Bonus Ball's off season starting next year.

Its a simple compromise. Will it drag out the BB season 1? Of-course maybe by a month or 6 weeks. In return BB gets no schedule conflicts with major tournaments in future seasons.

Since BB has their own venue, it should be super easy to reschedule a week of play. In comparison, rescheduling entire tournaments is probably a nightmare.

 

[JAM]

There is a logical solution to all of this.

Bonus Ball should accommodate all the stateside major tournaments this season. All stateside major tournaments schedule their events during Bonus Ball's off season starting next year.

Its a simple compromise. Will it drag out the BB season 1? Of-course maybe by a month or 6 weeks. In return BB gets no schedule conflicts with major tournaments in future seasons.

Since BB has their own venue, it should be super easy to reschedule a week of play. In comparison, rescheduling entire tournaments is probably a nightmare.

Well said. Especiallay when the other tournaments were scheduled LONG BEFORE Bonus Ball.

Bonus Ball has had so many fits and starts, schedule changes, I would have much more respect for all those involved if they do the right thing.

If they don't, we'll see how this plays out. I miss Glass City Open. I don't want to miss Derby City Classic. This is an event for players of all caliber, all ages, all genders, and it brings joy to many pool peeps around the world. How dare Bonus Ball do this!

 

[meximan2469]

Hopefully this clears things up

Actually, I am pro professional player, and if BB can provide an income to the pros, then I'm pro-BB.

I admire Nathan's innovativeness as well as Fast Lenny's enthusiasm. After all, they're the face of BB on AzBilliards.

That said, how dare BB schedule their event right on top of the Southern Classic, a tournament that's been in the books long before BB came to the pool scene. :angry:

What bothers me about it is this. As soon as BB discovers that their schedule interferes with Ultimate, they change their schedule, allowing the BB players to attend Ultimate in Tunica, but then they resume BB play the first day of the Southern Classic. :frown:

The Southern Classic is happening at the *EXACT SAME* venue, location, hotel as the Ultimate -- *AND* begins immediately followng the day Ultimate ends. It would make sense for the players to stay in Tunica and compete in both events, giving them a chance to save on travel expenses to and from Vegas and maybe cash in one of the events. As we know, Southern Classic has multiple events, several of which are tailored for the pros.

Why would BB accommodate Ultimate, after stepping on their schedule, and not accommodate Southern Classic? They could have easily done this. I mean, after all, by the looks of the stands on the BB set, nobody is flocking to their doors to watch this up front and close in Vegas, except the pro players and their girlfriends, like Jesse's kittykat. Looks like the info she's received thirdhand was wrong, poor gal. :embarrassed2:

Then there's Johnny Archer directing traffic, in the ear of Larry from Canada, and ordering the BB players to leave Tunica after Ultimate to return to Vegas. In other words, Johnny Archer is telling the BB players to diss Greg Sullivan, a man who's given these guys free entry, free room and board, put free money in their pocket for expenses for years, long before BB came to the fore.

The pro players are following Johnny Archer like trained little pigs to the BB stage in Vegas. Meanwhile, when BB implodes -- and we all know what its future holds -- Johnny will still have a roof over his head in Georgia, a stakehorse who will cough up dough and other niceties at Johnny's whim, sponsors who want to use Johnny's likeness on their products while he's still releveant, and a pool room to generate income.

The other BB pros who are following Johnny's direction will be left in the dust. Make no mistake about it here. Johnny is looking out for Johnny, not the future of professional pool, when he directs these BB players to not compete in the Southern Classic.

I blame Johnny Archer for this scheduling snafu. He could have stopped it, like he did for Ultimate, but he didn't. I know what it's like to help someone in this pool industry with my time and effort, only to be kicked in the teeth down the road. I haven't ever forgotten how I felt -- and how I still feel about it. Well, I'm sure this is what Greg Suillivan feels like, but it's more like a thousand-fold. After all he's done and then to have this happen. :

So, yes, Watchez, I am pro-BB. I want the players to have a normal income. I'm all for that, but not after learning how BB is handling their schedule changes, which, by the way, have been changed over and over and over again. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. :smile:

I made the WPBL schedule. If you want answers to any of the questions feel free to PM me directly.

Here are a few bullet points to help you out.

- Ultimate 10 ball takes place during the off days of our schedule so it was much easier to move around one day.

- We made a 26 week commitment to our players and as it is we are barely finishing before Thanksgiving, Mosconi Cup and the Christmas season.

- If we avoided Southern Classic that would be 2 weeks, CSI events in July add another 2 weeks, The US open 9 ball add another week. End of November turns into early mid January.

- Consistency: We want our fans to know that every week they can tune into WPBLtv.com and see Live matches.

- Each team has (2) Alternates they may use at anytime no one has been told they cannot attend any tournaments. The Players are making their own choices.

- Each player was asked which events they wished to attend while the scheduling process was being made Atlanta and Houston asked for the Southern Classic .....so they don`t play those weekends.

- ``kittykat`` is obviously Barry Bremner or ``vpbb123`` who was banned from this forums months ago and also has signed a piece of paper that specifically says he may not be doing anything like this..... He is not to be viewed as a representative of the WPBL or any of its affiliates.


-$1,000,000 added money. No entry fees. A true invitational.

Thanks for your time.

Dave

 

[JAM]

I made the WPBL schedule. If you want answers to any of the questions feel free to PM me directly.

Here are a few bullet points to help you out.

- Ultimate 10 ball takes place during the off days of our schedule so it was much easier to move around one day.

- We made a 26 week commitment to our players and as it is we are barely finishing before Thanksgiving, Mosconi Cup and the Christmas season.

- If we avoided Southern Classic that would be 2 weeks, CSI events in July add another 2 weeks, The US open 9 ball add another week. End of November turns into early mid January.

- Consistency: We want our fans to know that every week they can tune into WPBLtv.com and see Live matches.

- Each team has (2) Alternates they may use at anytime no one has been told they cannot attend any tournaments. The Players are making their own choices.

- Each player was asked which events they wished to attend while the scheduling process was being made Atlanta and Houston asked for the Southern Classic .....so they don`t play those weekends.

- ``kittykat`` is obviously Barry Bremner or ``vpbb123`` who was banned from this forums months ago and also has signed a piece of paper that specifically says he may not be doing anything like this..... He is not to be viewed as a representative of the WPBL or any of its affiliates.


-$1,000,000 added money. No entry fees. A true invitational.

Thanks for your time.

Dave

Whoever made this schedule is a nincumpoop. How dare you ignore the pioneers and valued promoters of the pool industry with this scheduling.

It actually reveals your inexperience in the business world. You don't schedule over already-existing events in a struggling pool envirnoment in the United States.

Oh, are you from Canada, helping your Canadian enterprise on American soil? Then I guess you don't give a damn about our American promoters, do you?

Shame on you, Johnny Archer, Larry, and Jesse's kittykat.

 

[JAM]

What a joke. This guy says he "made a commitment" for the Bonus Ball schedule to be completed by a date certain -- this, after numerous schedule changes.

It is obvious the tail is wagging the dog here with Bonus Ball. Larry the Canadian doesn't have competent staff with proper experience doing their jobs, and it shows big time.

In the end, the losers will be the pro players when BB can't issue checks anymore. It's quite sad to see this happen.

Today, there are many players who came out of the woodwork for the IPT, and when it sunk, these same players never return to the pool scene. And who can blame them?

IPT was much better organized, had competent and EXPERIENCED staff, and it only stayed afloat for a little more than a year. Plus, IPT played a recognized pocket billiard game that everybody who plays pool knows how to play.

I wonder how much those orange and purple balls will be worth when BB sinks. About as much as our IPT hats, lapel pins, and jerseys, I guess.

 

[center pocket]

I made the WPBL schedule. If you want answers to any of the questions feel free to PM me directly.

Here are a few bullet points to help you out.

- Ultimate 10 ball takes place during the off days of our schedule so it was much easier to move around one day.

- We made a 26 week commitment to our players and as it is we are barely finishing before Thanksgiving, Mosconi Cup and the Christmas season.

- If we avoided Southern Classic that would be 2 weeks, CSI events in July add another 2 weeks, The US open 9 ball add another week. End of November turns into early mid January.

- Consistency: We want our fans to know that every week they can tune into WPBLtv.com and see Live matches.

- Each team has (2) Alternates they may use at anytime no one has been told they cannot attend any tournaments. The Players are making their own choices.

- Each player was asked which events they wished to attend while the scheduling process was being made Atlanta and Houston asked for the Southern Classic .....so they don`t play those weekends.

- ``kittykat`` is obviously Barry Bremner or ``vpbb123`` who was banned from this forums months ago and also has signed a piece of paper that specifically says he may not be doing anything like this..... He is not to be viewed as a representative of the WPBL or any of its affiliates.


-$1,000,000 added money. No entry fees. A true invitational.

Thanks for your time.

Dave

It seems some compromise was made. In BB's defense it was probably impossible to avoid all the tournaments that are spread out through out the year. I also understand their need for consistency. I really hope Greg's event still has a good showing. That being said, I do like BB and will try to watch as much as I can.

 

[meximan2469]

Whoever made this schedule is a nincumpoop. How dare you ignore the pioneers and valued promoters of the pool industry with this scheduling.

It actually reveals your inexperience in the business world. You don't schedule over already-existing events in a struggling pool envirnoment in the United States.

Oh, are you from Canada, helping your Canadian enterprise on American soil? Then I guess you don't give a damn about our American promoters, do you?

Shame on you, Johnny Archer, Larry, and Jesse's kittykat.

That Canadian enterprise you speak of has brought over 1.5 million dollars into your economy and created over 50 jobs.

 

[JAM]

That Canadian enterprise you speak of has brought over 1.5 million dollars into your economy and created over 50 jobs.

And how many jobs do you think Bonus Ball is going to kill with your schedule snafu? How many lives do you think it's going to affect when Derby City Classic ceases to exist? We love our Derby City Classic here in America.

Your scheduling stinks. How dare you step on our beloved and valued American pool promoters with your scheduling.

HOW DARE YOU! :angry::angry::angry:

SHAME ON YOU!

SHAME ON YOU!

SHAME ON YOU!

 

[meximan2469]

And how many jobs do you think Bonus Ball is going to kill with your schedule snafu? How many lives do you think it's going to affect when Derby City Classic ceases to exist? We love our Derby City Classic here in America.

Your scheduling stinks. How dare you step on our beloved and valued American pool promoters with your scheduling.

HOW DARE YOU! :angry::angry::angry:

SHAME ON YOU!

SHAME ON YOU!

SHAME ON YOU!

Ok it`s quite obvious we aren`t going to have a rational discussion here. I guess I should have known that going in.

 

[JAM]

Ok it`s quite obvious we aren`t going to have a rational discussion here. I guess I should have known that going in.

Retreat is your only option, I guess, now that you've outed yourself as being the one who created the offensive schedule to long-established American pool entities.

What were you thinking? How can you step on the pioneers of American pool? Surely, Canadians can understand this. You don't come into our country and step on one of our own to further your own gain.

This is extremely offensive. If you can work around Ultimate's schedule, then you better work around Southern Classic's. If you don't fix this, you'll see the consequences in due time.

 

[pooler]

Wow

Whoever made this schedule is a nincumpoop. [...]

I am quite unsure whether the above quote is pro or against BB ;
nonetheless, I must admit that I am growing to admire JAM’s extremely rich vocabulary.

Myself, being a non-native-english speaker I would never ever dreamt of an existence of such a word.

After doing a little search I found this:
nincompoop
“A braindead self important little turd given an impressive sounding job title to keep him blissfully ignorant of the world shattering nefarious machinations of his keepers.”
Link (position #5):
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nincompoop

Thank You, we all learn something new, day by day ...

Now, back to the topic...

 

[jay helfert]

Well said. Especiallay when the other tournaments were scheduled LONG BEFORE Bonus Ball.

Bonus Ball has had so many fits and starts, schedule changes, I would have much more respect for all those involved if they do the right thing.

If they don't, we'll see how this plays out. I miss Glass City Open. I don't want to miss Derby City Classic. This is an event for players of all caliber, all ages, all genders, and it brings joy to many pool peeps around the world. How dare Bonus Ball do this!

Tap Tap Jam, my feelings exactly.

 

[JAM]

I hope Matchroom Sports recognizes what this Canadian enterprise is doing here to our American players. After all, the Mosconi Cup, as far as I'm concerned, is the Rolls-Royce of pool events.

When the UPA exhibited cronyism, Matchroom Sports changed their policy for picking members of Team USA.

Nothing would make more more happier than to see them make Southern Classic a Mosconi Cup points event.

Either way, Matchroom Sports has their finger on the pulse of pool in a global scale. I just hope they can extend an life-saver to American pool during this Canadian interference of our American pool way of life.

Long live Matchroom Sports. Long live Greg Sullivan. Long live American professional players.

 

[JD_Hogg]

I hope Matchroom Sports recognizes what this Canadian enterprise is doing here to our American players. After all, the Mosconi Cup, as far as I'm concerned, is the Rolls-Royce of pool events.

When the UPA exhibited cronyism, Matchroom Sports changed their policy for picking members of Team USA.

Nothing would make more more happier than to see them make Southern Classic a Mosconi Cup points event.

Either way, Matchroom Sports has their finger on the pulse of pool in a global scale. I just hope they can extend an life-saver to American pool during this Canadian interference of our American pool way of life.

Long live Matchroom Sports. Long live Greg Sullivan. Long live American professional players.

It's revenge for invading us wit all ur Walmarts closing down all our little business's.

We sending down BB to shut down all the pool promoters south of the border..all 2 of them.

 

[JAM]

It's revenge for invading us wit all ur Walmarts closing down all our little business's.

We sending down BB to shut down all the pool promoters south of the border..all 2 of them.

Ah, spoken like a loyal Canadian!

We have a few more than two, though I agree that American pool is hurting right now. To have this Canadian interference in our pool world is disruptive.

It's a shame that BB didn't stay up there in Canada. I see so many Canadian players coming to the States to reside and compete. Canada could have benefited from Bonus Ball, but instead, they come to our country and damage the American pioneer pool promoters by forcing the players to pick Bonus Ball over Southern Classic. This is outrageous and is a slap in the face to Greg Sullivan, who's always stood by those players.

I don't know how Johnny Archer can look at himself in the mirror knowing full well how this is affecting those who supported him in the past. Shame on Johnny Archer. Shame on Bonus Ball. Shame on whoever created that Bonus Ball schedule.

This is a travesty, and I hope Bonus Ball pays for it through the nose when it's all said and done. This Canadian entity is barking up the wrong tree when they try to damage one of ours. :angry: