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PoolSharkAllen said:
In your eyes, I may be a troll; however, it's indisputable that you are a forum bully. The evidence is shown below, in which you've engaged in a systematic campaign to trample over the lives of dozens of people, destroying their reputations and their businesses:
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A systematic campaign? You mean with a plan and all? As in I get up every morning and check my list of tasks to trample over and destroy lives?

Whose reputation have I destroyed Allen? Whose life have I trampled on?

I made some apologies for the way I went about defending myself and those apologies stand. I was super aggressive, insulting, mean-spirited and determined to out-insult all of those people. But you act like I picked them out of the crowd and just went after them for no reason. To this day you refuse to admit that they also had a part in whatever arguments we had and still have. And not a small part.

So tell me Allen,

How do you feel about it if someone lies about my business?

How do you feel about it if they defame me (means lie about me to tarnish my reputation)?

How do you feel about it when they call my wife a $3 whore and say she looks like one they had in China?

Why don't you condemn people who do that?

I think I know, because you are one of the ones doing the defaming. Makes sense that you would not criticize your brothers-in-arms.
 
I trained a woman to run a machine at the company where I work. We reviewed safety every day and it was made clear how to use the equipment properly...also the consequences of cutting corners (as much as could be explained). 6 months after that person went to work on the night shift, she cut a corner...reached into a moving machine. The results were horiffic...

I used to try and temper my actions when I see young technicians who cut corners...but I have learned the consequences when things go bad. Thus my reaction, even to a simple careless omission, may seem radically harsh to the trainee. They have not seen what I have seen. They have not experienced one of their trainees being helplessly wound into a machine.

What's the moral here...?

Roy had his reason to blow up and that reason is Roy's alone. Maybe some of us would sympathize if we knew more, or if the OP was a genuine jackweed who deserved it.

This time, it appears Roy blew it...and mouthed off to an inexperienced owner. One who doesn't know cues or how to tactfully seek a free appraisal, but someone who was sincere in his quest for information and felt a personal attachment to his cue.

I am sure. with so many years of selling Southwest cues, that Roy has unwittingly "helped" a person or two learn about a given cue, perhaps even providing a pin number, only to find his cue copied shamelessly and sold as authentic. These kinds of people sound legitimate enough...seem sincere enough...then leave you with a scarred memory for your care of them. Not saying Roy was right here...but I admit there are some out there that deserve some harsh language...and I don't fault the man for being passionate about his life's work, or recalling the pain of lessons learned.

I had a buddy selling a Balbushka and the "interested buyer" needed dimensions of the cue before sending his deposit...sounded reasonable until those dimensions included a micrometer measurement every inch from joint to butt cap.

There are bad people out there, con artists and those who will rob you without compunction. While Roy needs to accept that his behavior is inexcusable, some of us might try to consider the moves that could turn a seller hard and angry. Roy's been around.

To Joe V, Sean, Little Kenny... you guys DO impress me. It can't always be easy to stay professional with buyers, idiots, good people, tire kickers, lyers, and young collectors...sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
 
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Thats for those particular sites to worry about, not me. You follow the instruction that are there and move on. Did my part.

Dude, you have zero clue to how the internet works. Even if you grab the image it clearly shows the URL that is associated with the image. You keep saying this BS that he didn't know, and its totally false. He knew, just like you knew when you grabbed those pics and used them in the article.

Let me tell you, it doesn't bother me and I am not hurt over it. It just clearly shows the character of YOU and HIM. Obviously YOU didn't check the original image location or copyright issues when you decided to enhance your article, so don't act like you know something when you're as clueless as your buddy.

Thats it, plain and simple. I know of at least 100 other sites that have used, or are using images I created. I could care less. BUT those sites, aren't scum sucking leeches and lying decieving nits. So I don't have any issues with them taking the image.

Yeah hanger on.. thats me. But I've forgotten more about cues than Roy OR you will ever know, so when a hobbyist knows more than the supposed professional, maybe its time for that professional to hang it up.

JV

JB Cases said:
So you checked on the licenses for every gif on those "freeware" sites you claim to have gotten your images from? You saw the copyright agreements and know for a fact that all those images were on those sites as legitimately free for use?

Of course you didn't.

Roy didn't take your image from you. He found it on the net and grabbed it. When you found out it was there instead of calling him and asking him to take it down you acted like he stole the Mona Lisa and went into a state of depression over it that has still not subsided.

As for the pictures I submitted I told the publisher that I had collected them over many years and had no idea who they "belonged" to because there was no attribution ON THEM. I said he should make that disclaimer and he did not. It's all documented.

Regardless of that I submitted the work as an article on the history of Fellini cases and as such any pictures I find on the web that are relevant would probably be covered under fair use anyway. Again you act all hurt over an innocent use that brought no harm to anyone.

Yes my site sucks Joe, but it has more than 400 original cases on it and is in use every day by customers from around the world. It's informative and showcases other case makers with a deep appreciation for the art of case making. I keep it simple so that it's easy for us to update it. And it still looks much better than yours.

Regarding sales, well, if you want to act like an expert and knock other people for what you consider to be a lack of professionalism then perhaps you should be a bonafide professional in the industry you want to knock the pros in. You are by your own admission a hobbyist but in reality you aren't even that. You are what would be termed a flunky and hanger-on. You ride on Mark's coattails or whomever you can finagle your way in with and bandy your "opinions" around as if you are an expert.

So really, you criticizing Roy, is pretty much the pot calling the kettle black as the saying goes when it comes to displaying professionalism because you have no clue what it means to be or act like a professional.
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classiccues said:
Yeah hanger on.. thats me. But I've forgotten more about cues than Roy OR you will ever know, so when a hobbyist knows more than the supposed professional, maybe its time for that professional to hang it up.

JV
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So you claim but in fact you don't know that much at all.
 
JB Cases said:
So you claim but in fact you don't know that much at all.
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Evidently I know more about cues than you do cases. You don't see me turning over a case with no top on it.

Why don't you do that out an open window, you can start your video by saying.. "Well one of my customer that was playing pool on the table at the top of the space needle had this happen to him, the cue fell 75 stories hit two gargoyle statues, bounced back into the case and stabbed him through the bottom plate. Thats why here at JBClowncars we now use steel plates in the bottom of our cases.. ... bla bla bla bla blah...

BTW let me ask you a couple of questions...

How many threads are there here that say "Joe Van talked to me like I was dirt regarding a cue, or Joe Van offered me 50.00 for my brand new SW, or Joe Van wanted to import cases and not say where they came from? Or that Joe Van couldn't get SouthWest cues and contracted another US maker to manufacture them right down to the tapers? How many? You want to talk professional, go pound sand.

How many threads are out there where Joe Van got butt hurt by Ken Kerner, or Bill Grassley, or Joe Salazar, or Martin Bick and he is now exploding on them every chance he gets and wants to show the world that he is better than them? NONE.. You should STFU go make cases and clean your own house.

JV
 
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How did this bread become about JB?

I can't believe the response from Roy. Unprofessional doesn't even begin to explain it. Customers are tire kickers, and some actually do business. You need to treat every tire kicker like he's that customer, cuz he may just BE that customer later on.

JB, let it die. This kind of response will be met with punishment from the masses. It's well deserved punishment. Don't take the bullet. You ain't superman. You have your own bullets to take from time to time. Your loyalty is duely noted. I can appreciate a loyal person. I value loyalty in my life and business, it's hard to come by these days.

There's nothing more to gain from further defense of yourself or Roy. So let it go. You don't need to defend your reputation, it's just fine.

Forum, I'd say let it go. JB is vocal, loyal, and opinionated, works hard in our sport, and produces great cases.

As for me, I'm going to the pelicans game this afternoon :cool:
 
cuesblues said:
If I could interject here, not that I really want to get involved, but John has "tacitly" admitted to having mental problems several times.
Real progress is John agreeing to spend less time on AZ :smile: more time building cases similar to Jack Justis cases, personally signed, and at a slightly reduced price.
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lol, those of us who have read John over the years and perhaps met him a couple of times know he's... well, not quite right :-) I think the highlight of *our* relationship was back in the RSB days when I put him on tilt and he sent me a creative little email that used one word as verb, adjective, and noun in one short, sweet sentence:

"F*ck you you f*cking f*ck."

John is always good for a laugh with his endless verbosity, ability to selectively twist facts and arguments around, and issue his nonsensical "bets." He's kind of like the crazy uncle who lives up in the attic and comes down for dinner every night to rail against whatever he perceives the injustice du jour to be.

Lou Figueroa
 
I really wanted to get one of the Justis style case because I don't like the interior of a Justis. I just can't bring myself to do it. Something is wrong with both Roy and JB. If you have turrets you don't type out bad things on a keyboard, It comes from subconscious mind and you have no control over it. He has complete control over an email answer and no excuse for what he said.
 
JB Cases said:
I know you like to bet.

Want to make a little sweat bet?

I bet you $100 that I can prove beyond a shadow of doubt that neurological conditions exist which cause otherwise nice people to behave badly and irrationally.

I will make the bet even sweeter.

I will bet a $175 case against four copies of Pool Wars. If I win then I will donate those four copies to four friends who could use a little insight into the pool world you and I love.

I am not excusing Roy's behavior only saying that I believe that there is an underlying reason for it that I don't think Roy can control. I could be wrong but after knowing him for so long I honestly think he has faulty wiring.

Things that you and I blow off and say, win some lose some, make him go off like a rocket. That's not normal behavior and I know Roy thinks about it.

The fact is though that as much as I used to believe that between stimulus and actions lies choice, the more I read about what we are learning about how the brain works the more I am convinced that we get wired to respond in certain ways and really don't have hardly any free will about it without tremendous effort. You might be thinking ah, that's all BS an asshole is an asshole and I used to be right there with you.

Now though I am beginning to have a little more sympathy for the people who just can't seem to control themselves and lot more respect for the people who can.

I feel like there is a big difference between a person who has outbursts like this and a person who makes a deliberate and calculated move to piss someone off. The latter is a true asshole, the former is an unfortunate one in my opinion.

I, unfortunately, am a deliberate one. ;-)
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Sounds to me like your friend Roy needs to enroll in anger management classes, the sooner the better. His problem is not neurological, it's called having a bad attitude and no self control. Bottom line he can't control his temper. That's a choice, not a medical or psychological condition.

When he does that I will begin to have some respect for him. He needs to realize that he has a problem and so do you.
 
jay helfert said:
Sounds to me like your friend Roy needs to enroll in anger management classes, the sooner the better. His problem is not neurological, it's called having a bad attitude and no self control. Bottom line he can't control his temper. That's a choice, not a medical or psychological condition.

When he does that I will begin to have some respect for him. He needs to realize that he has a problem and so do you.
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bottom line is you are not a doctor but full of judgement. you should know better being a story teller that there is always another side to every story.

how do you feel about using deception and disguises to hustle money? since we are going to feel morally outraged because roy wasn't sugar sweet to someone where does lying about one's abilty in order to steal money fall on the spectrum of things people should not do to each other?
 
jay helfert said:
Sounds to me like your friend Roy needs to enroll in anger management classes, the sooner the better. His problem is not neurological, it's called having a bad attitude and no self control. Bottom line he can't control his temper. That's a choice, not a medical or psychological condition.

When he does that I will begin to have some respect for him. He needs to realize that he has a problem and so do you.
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Jay you need to think about one thing. That being dealing with people. I see it all the time when I shop. Customers treating people who work in stores like crap, and the flip side of that statement also.

Maybe Roy is giving back what he gets. Also Roy has no BOSS to report Roy to, he is the Boss. I understand he is doing well in business. So what he does works for him.

Now it is up to you to spend your money where you wish be it with Roy, or someone else. That is you power as a customer.
 
lfigueroa said:
lol, those of us who have read John over the years and perhaps met him a couple of times know he's... well, not quite right :-) I think the highlight of *our* relationship was back in the RSB days when I put him on tilt and he sent me a creative little email that used one word as verb, adjective, and noun in one short, sweet sentence:

"F*ck you you f*cking f*ck."

John is always good for a laugh with his endless verbosity, ability to selectively twist facts and arguments around, and issue his nonsensical "bets." He's kind of like the crazy uncle who lives up in the attic and comes down for dinner every night to rail against whatever he perceives the injustice du jour to be.

Lou Figueroa
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You definitely have the gift for putting people on tilt as all good trolls do.

Funnily enough in person you never act this way. Schade, I had hoped that the pleasant guy i had a nice conversation with at the DCC was the real Lou but it seems that the defaming instigator is the real one. Oh well not the first.time I was fooled by an actor.
 
fasted71465 said:
I really wanted to get one of the Justis style case because I don't like the interior of a Justis. I just can't bring myself to do it. Something is wrong with both Roy and JB. If you have turrets you don't type out bad things on a keyboard, It comes from subconscious mind and you have no control over it. He has complete control over an email answer and no excuse for what he said.
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Really. You know this how? Stop with the buyer card already, that doesn't work on me. Go buy a Justis, watch my video and i will teach you how to modify your own interior. Because you will certainly NOT get me to bow to your idea of how the world should work. You trying to manipulate me and punish me for giving my opinion is worse than what Roy did.

You failed to notice I said several times i do NOT agree with how Roy handled it.
 
classiccues said:
Evidently I know more about cues than you do cases. You don't see me turning over a case with no top on it.

Why don't you do that out an open window, you can start your video by saying.. "Well one of my customer that was playing pool on the table at the top of the space needle had this happen to him, the cue fell 75 stories hit two gargoyle statues, bounced back into the case and stabbed him through the bottom plate. Thats why here at JBClowncars we now use steel plates in the bottom of our cases.. ... bla bla bla bla blah...

BTW let me ask you a couple of questions...

How many threads are there here that say "Joe Van talked to me like I was dirt regarding a cue, or Joe Van offered me 50.00 for my brand new SW, or Joe Van wanted to import cases and not say where they came from? Or that Joe Van couldn't get SouthWest cues and contracted another US maker to manufacture them right down to the tapers? How many? You want to talk professional, go pound sand.

How many threads are out there where Joe Van got butt hurt by Ken Kerner, or Bill Grassley, or Joe Salazar, or Martin Bick and he is now exploding on them every chance he gets and wants to show the world that he is better than them? NONE.. You should STFU go make cases and clean your own house.

JV
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there is enough out there about you. that you are genocidal is more than enough by itself.
 
classiccues said:
How many threads are out there where Joe Van got butt hurt by Ken Kerner, or Bill Grassley, or Joe Salazar, or Martin Bick and he is now exploding on them every chance he gets and wants to show the world that he is better than them? NONE.. You should STFU go make cases and clean your own house.

JV
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Joe,
I'm trying to understand including me in this reference.
Is there a thread with me "Butt Hurting" someone?
Ken Kerner
 
JB Cases said:
Funnily enough in person you never act this way. Schade, I had hoped that the pleasant guy i had a nice conversation with at the DCC was the real Lou but it seems that the defaming instigator is the real one. Oh well not the first.time I was fooled by an actor.
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We're all being fooled by an actor named John Barton. The real JB is the one who had the gall to mock, taunt and ridicule a disabled Vietnam war veteran as shown below:
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Free tech support, free aiming system? Awesome. I just want to say that while I have a long way to go yet I tried this method and with my eyes closed I made 76% of the shots.

I would like to caution you about making public statements of visual prowess when that is the reason you are (presumably) drawing disability. Insurance companies and social security frowns on it when people are declared disabled and then later found to be doing things contrary to their declared disability. If I were a judge I'd really question how someone drawing disability payments could have the visual ability to not only imagine a fully formed sphere in space but then to line up to that imaginary ball well enough to make 98% of the makeable shots.

Have you showed off this ability to the people who declared you disabled?

I mean I think you're CURED!!!!! Hallelujah Ghost Ball!!! Although I have to say I have known a few folks who can't read a menu and they can shoot balls in like champions......

But surely if you can make balls with a 98% success rate then you can do lots of work and not get disability payments right? 56 is far too young to live on the dole in my opinion. Not for such a great man as yourself. You should be out there teaching pros how to pocket balls because I think your pocketing percentages are way higher than theirs. Well maybe not way higher but only missing 2 balls out of every hundred you face is amazingly strong.

I have a question though.

What is makeable for you?

Are you saying you can make all the shots diagrammed below from the cue ball position 98 out of 100 times?​
Frankly, I am embarrassed for the forum that JB is allowed to get away with this.
 
HighEndCues said:
Joe,
I'm trying to understand including me in this reference.
Is there a thread with me "Butt Hurting" someone?
Ken Kerner
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He is trying to put himself in your league by association. He is saying that there are no threads where people complain avout you and your colleagues in the high end cue business and trying to place himself in with your group. It is a sales trick to make the reader equate him with you and the other dealers.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
We're all being fooled by an actor named John Barton. The real JB is the one who had the gall to mock, taunt and ridicule a disabled Vietnam war veteran as shown below:
Originally Posted by JB Cases
Free tech support, free aiming system? Awesome. I just want to say that while I have a long way to go yet I tried this method and with my eyes closed I made 76% of the shots.

I would like to caution you about making public statements of visual prowess when that is the reason you are (presumably) drawing disability. Insurance companies and social security frowns on it when people are declared disabled and then later found to be doing things contrary to their declared disability. If I were a judge I'd really question how someone drawing disability payments could have the visual ability to not only imagine a fully formed sphere in space but then to line up to that imaginary ball well enough to make 98% of the makeable shots.

Have you showed off this ability to the people who declared you disabled?

I mean I think you're CURED!!!!! Hallelujah Ghost Ball!!! Although I have to say I have known a few folks who can't read a menu and they can shoot balls in like champions......

But surely if you can make balls with a 98% success rate then you can do lots of work and not get disability payments right? 56 is far too young to live on the dole in my opinion. Not for such a great man as yourself. You should be out there teaching pros how to pocket balls because I think your pocketing percentages are way higher than theirs. Well maybe not way higher but only missing 2 balls out of every hundred you face is amazingly strong.

I have a question though.

What is makeable for you?

Are you saying you can make all the shots diagrammed below from the cue ball position 98 out of 100 times?​
Frankly, I am embarrassed for the forum that JB is allowed to get away with this.
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to get away with what? when a person brags about drawing disability but then later brags about their abilty to play pool while slandering others then that obvious fraudulent activity should be pointed out.

why aren't you morally outraged that a person practically admits to fraud on the forum. your moral compass seems to be way off. I have to admire your ability to quote me from any thread. You must have all my posts bookmarked and categorized for easy retrieval.
 
JB Cases said:
to get away with what? when a person brags about drawing disability but then later brags about their abilty to play pool while slandering others then that obvious fraudulent activity should be pointed out.

why aren't you morally outraged that a person practically admits to fraud on the forum. your moral compass seems to be way off. I have to admire your ability to quote me from any thread. You must have all my posts bookmarked and categorized for easy retrieval.
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What was the nature of the disability?

There are many on here that are technically disabled but have no trouble lifting a 17-21oz cue.
 
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