JB stoops to new lows

[JB Cases]

I'm curious to the answer of this as well. Don't know that story, and will with hold judgement. However, unless it was for something pretty damn serious, reporting a competitor to authorities, especially in another country, sounds about as low and petty as one can go.

Yeah it's pretty low but when the competitor makes allegations on a worldwide public forum that are untrue to cast aspersions and attempt to harm the other guy's business then it's even lower.

When the competitor flat out lies about the other guy's product, attacking the very foundation of his business then it's lower.

I am not proud of calling the "man" - in this case the code enforcement folks in Coconut Creek on Jack, it was a low thing to do, but again if you mess with the bull don't be surprised if you get the horns.

I fully expect that someday the JackPack will make good on their threat to have me harassed by the Chinese authorities, by Homeland Security, by the FBI, CIA, FDA, US Customs, the Coast Guard, PETA, and whoever else they can think of.

I take that as part of the territory we are in now. My "papers" are in order so bring it.

 

[JB Cases]

So at this point, 19 pages later, I only have one question left...


Is no one else's dad feeling good enough after F-day to step up and fight my dad?????

My dad is fighting lung cancer so he won't be fighting your dad anytime soon. This isn't about that Justin, this is about knocking people's business with LIES and DEFAMATION not a penis measuring contest.

Please don't trivialize it down to that.

I would never win a penis measuring contest anyway.

 

[JB Cases]

In agreement with many of your common sense statements in the is thread JB, I find myself posting this saying for the second time today.

Be careful for what you wish for, you might get it. I guess people just got affordable JJ cases now.

I'll take mine Sans any stamps on it. A signature will suffice.

Just kidding, I have no desire to own a JJ case or a tribute.

I have been using a hard shell case made in Japan that has a very protective interior in it.
Actually very close to your new Butterfly interior. I think you'd approve. Zippers and removable as well.

I still have my heart set on a JB Butterfly case with the heavy duty nylon that you use.
Then the baggage handlers can throw that one around all they like.

Mine has a combo lock on it. Any possibility that you could incorporate one on yours or the ability to put a lock on the zippers? I like the idea of a combo lock on mine.

After I take my cues out at the hall or bar, I lock her up and know that no one is going to be messing with the cues left inside.

Send me a picture of the case please, you have my email I think. Of course when you're ready we will try to do whatever you want. I am sure I can put some sort of lock on the case for you. I have access to many combination locks and today when I go to the leather and hardware market i will keep it in mind and take some pix of ones I think might work on our style of case.

 

[one stroke]

Yeah it's pretty low but when the competitor makes allegations on a worldwide public forum that are untrue to cast aspersions and attempt to harm the other guy's business then it's even lower.

When the competitor flat out lies about the other guy's product, attacking the very foundation of his business then it's lower.

I am not proud of calling the "man" - in this case the code enforcement folks in Coconut Creek on Jack, it was a low thing to do, but again if you mess with the bull don't be surprised if you get the horns.

I fully expect that someday the JackPack will make good on their threat to have me harassed by the Chinese authorities, by Homeland Security, by the FBI, CIA, FDA, US Customs, the Coast Guard, PETA, and whoever else they can think of.

I take that as part of the territory we are in now. My "papers" are in order so bring it.

Wow ... The only thing missing here is Once upon a Time
So the real fact of the matter is I stand correct in my calling you out on your intentions not that it was Nostradamus like or anything
you could have just came with this the honest answer and saved all this aggravation but in a short period of time I have drawn the conclusion that you like it in fact that's a understatement you love it
You love to argue you love to put down his case and build yours up any chance you get
and no price is too high and no action is to low
It's all fair play in your book. and in your mind its all justifiable
Hummmm


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[JB Cases]

Wow ... The only thing missing here is Once upon a Time
So the real fact of the matter is I stand correct in my calling you out on your intentions not that it was Nostradamus like or anything
you could have just came with this the honest answer and saved all this aggravation but in a short period of time I have drawn the conclusion that you like it in fact that's a understatement you love it
You love to argue you love to put down his case and build yours up any chance you get
and no price is too high and no action is to low
It's all fair play in your book. and in your mind its all justifiable
Hummmm


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That's right, at this point I don't care because the Jack Pack has never stopped trying to harm my business. They have never stopped trying to needle me, never stopped trying to "put me on tilt" so to speak.

Until you start putting your condemnation on your fellow Pack mates you won't get any credibility from me.

I know that I have acted in a shitty manner and gone too far in the past. And I know that I am taking it to the extreme right now. But I feel that this is the best course of action for many reasons primary among them that I refused to be bullied and shoved into the corner by bullies with more money than sense.

 

[JB Cases]

You lie like a MF'er. I know you know about Roy and him wanting to bring in Rons cases and have Ron not say anything. Your dislike for Ron is because he told people. Let me tell you if this industry had a backbone you wouldn't be able to sell a taco

Just received this in rep comments from Joe Van Buren.

The fact is I dislike Ron Thomas because he called up Roy and cut him off for merely selling my cases. This was in 2008. I had nothing against Ron and had never said a negative word about the man or his products. In fact I had said I thought his cases were the best American cases and pointed people to him.

The story about Roy (and me) having some plot to make cases for Ron and keep it a secret so Ron could sell them as made in America goods is complete nonsense. After Ron cut Roy off Roy called me and asked if I could make that style of case and I said I would try and thus GTF cases were born.

Roy did tell Ron in one of the few and contentious calls they had after that he should let us build his cases and he would have a better product. Roy was being sarcastic and no real offer was made to Ron to make his case and certainly not with the intention of supplying him under the table so he could sell as "made in the USA". Roy told me what he said after the fact and he and I laughed about it.

I want to make it cleat that I think Joe Van Buren has been running a smear campaign against me spreading lies like this for a number of years. This is a small industry, things get around.

 

[classiccues]

I have it from Ron and anyone here can call him up that Ron was approached by Roy to do exatcly that. Bring in a case from CHina with Rons name on it and keep it hush. ANYONE can call Ron and verify the story.

Just to be clear, Ron was not going to sell them, as stated below. The idea was to use his name, like Jack and the Justis line if Justis West cases. Except this was to be kept on the down low. He said NO.

Sorry, I don't spread lies. Anyone here is free to call Ron, he has not been shy in the past with this story.

JV

Just received this in rep comments from Joe Van Buren.

The fact is I dislike Ron Thomas because he called up Roy and cut him off for merely selling my cases. This was in 2008. I had nothing against Ron and had never said a negative word about the man or his products. In fact I had said I thought his cases were the best American cases and pointed people to him.

The story about Roy (and me) having some plot to make cases for Ron and keep it a secret so Ron could sell them as made in America goods is complete nonsense. After Ron cut Roy off Roy called me and asked if I could make that style of case and I said I would try and thus GTF cases were born.

Roy did tell Ron in one of the few and contentious calls they had after that he should let us build his cases and he would have a better product. Roy was being sarcastic and no real offer was made to Ron to make his case and certainly not with the intention of supplying him under the table so he could sell as "made in the USA". Roy told me what he said after the fact and he and I laughed about it.

I want to make it cleat that I think Joe Van Buren has been running a smear campaign against me spreading lies like this for a number of years. This is a small industry, things get around.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Jack made a comment on the forum that I don't have business license a few years ago.

So I did a little research into his "business". Turns out that the city where he lives does not allow for manufacturing in the neighborhood he lives in.

I called them up and said I was interested in buying a house on Jack's block and if I would be ok to make leather cases there in my garage. They said no, it's not zoned for any kind of fabrication business.

I said ok thanks. Then I sent Jack an email and told him to knock it off because he was operating a business out of his house illegally. Glass houses -throwing stones that sort of thing.

He told me to go ahead and report him. So I did. I was pretty sure nothing would come of it but I wanted to show him that he can't continue to screw with me and not have some consequences.

The fact is that Jack IS operating illegally. That the zoning commission or whomever is responsible for enforcing it CHOOSES not to bother with it in Jack's case doesn't mean it's not illegal.

People need to realize that when they take things to new levels that they should be prepared for all that comes with it. You want to call me out on every possible level you can think of? All right, let's go there and see who comes out of it.

All this comes down to the idea that I am some sort of mega corporation trying to trample the little guy. All bullshit.

I started out with less than $100 in my attic and moved to a basement room that was almost too small to turn around in. From just me, to a few helpers I have grown my very REAL business into something that affects the LIVES of many people.

Over the twenty years I have been in this business I have been responsible for the employment of dozens of people directly and profits from our cases have contributed to the employment of hundreds of people, thousands actually.

So when Jack knocks me with lies and innuendo, when the Jack Pack takes their lead from him and knocks me with lies and defamatory statements I take it seriously.

And I hit back.

Jack Justis makes cases as hobby out of his Florida home. He has no real business. He operates on a "home office" license because he cannot get a business license to manufacture leather goods in his home due to the zoning laws. He competes with case makers who do operate as licensed businesses with overhead and employees in commercial spaces.

Ok fine, so what, this is a free country right, work where you want and how you want.

I agree.

I AGREE

But don't go off making remarks to insinuate that your competition is operating illegally IF you are already operating illegally.

THAT's the POINT.

If you want to ratchet things up to those levels then don't be surprised at what stones get overturned and what is revealed. All this could have been avoided if two things would not have happened,

1. Jack didn't make bullshit fake excuses to cover up his lack of protection when challenged on it.

2. Jack didn't make false allegations and continued lies about me and my products.

If I were a retired hobby case maker making all the cases I chose to make out of my house with no overhead and those cases were not that great to start with - ok - but not great - then I would simply shut the hell up and enjoy the reputation and orders and not try to stir up the hornet's nest.

A very simple statement of, "I build the cases the way I think works best" would have been enough and we wouldn't be here.

How could I argue with that? I build the cases the way I think works best is all he had to say......fair enough Jack, keep up the good work, you do make some very pretty cases, see you at the next show, let the customers examine all choices and make their choice. We can be friends and disagree about the way a case is built, no problem.

Instead, what we get are lame excuses as to WHY he builds the cases the way he does all in an attempt to not have to change. When in fact he didn't have to change in the first place if he has a line of customers who are HAPPY with what he makes.

Cues need airflow - BUSTED
Cues need to move - BUSTED
Snug fit damages finish - BUSTED
Restricting movement is bad - BUSTED
Padding for the bottom is not needed - BUSTED

Do you know WHY I started offering replacement interiors for Justis case?

I did it because when all this crap started I then started to take a much harder look at the Justis cases and I found out that the interior tube fits very loosely in the skin. So in the course of the heated exchanges I mentioned that I thought that this was sloppy work to have a super loose leather bag with a tube dropped in it.

I thought and still think that this was done to make it super easy for Jack to put the tubes in. If so then smart for him but lousy for the customer in my opinion.

But then Jack came back with the "reason" given that he DELIBERATELY makes the case so loose so that the customer can easily remove and replace the interior if they need to.

So I thought well ok then if that's true then I will make a version of our interior and offer that to Jack's customers. And I did.

BUT that would have NEVER occurred to me to do if not for this ongoing feud that Jack started and which he continued to fuel with snide remarks motivating me to investigate his product and practices more and more.

I have never made a single remark about my product that I am not prepared to back up 100%. I don't make up bullshit excuses as to why I do what I do, I have practical and TRUE reasons for what I do and not all of them are good ideas. When I find that I have done something that turns out to not be a good way to do it I change it.

I change it. I don't make up bullshit stories to justify it, I change it.

Now, if I were in Jack's shoes I would not want to have ANY discussion at all about protection or quality. None. I would want to keep as quiet as a church mouse and enjoy the fruit of my labor without anyone looking too closely at my stuff.

In my shoes I want everyone to look closely at my stuff, I want it examined, poked, prodded, dissected, and criticized fairly.

So yeah I called the "man" to go pay Jack a visit. And the JackPack has said they will retaliate by calling the Chinese police to make sure my "papers" are in order, has said they will call US Customs and Homeland Security to harass me at the border, and said they will call Queer Eye for the Straight Guy to criticize my fashion choices.

Point being if you choose to take it to unreasonable levels then unreasonable things happen.

If the Jack Pack continues to raise the bar then I will continue to be more motivated to do whatever I feel I need to do. I have tried many times to simply stop and ignore them but they are very good at throwing their jabs and snide remarks, almost like a game between them to see who can get me to break first.

Well boys I don't know who won the bet but the consumers are the big winners with a $300 Justis Replica coming soon. Hope you're happy now. And jsut for you I will STAMP Made in China right on it in such a way that people will be proud to show off the label.

It looks like JB is subjecting everyone to yet another one of his tirades. Back in February, JB wrote a "Apology" letter to the forum which appears to have been insincere. In his "Apology" he wrote:

Originally Posted by JB Cases
I am not saying that I was right or wrong on any topic. But I have handled things very very badly in the past. I have met hate with hate, met verbal violence with more verbal aggression, taken personal slurs to heart and tried to dole out even nastier ones.

Mike banished me for six months for making what I thought was a fairly innocent comment about people obviously wanting to fight and fighting being allowed on AZB for the most part. Whether that lengthy ban was warranted for that comment or not I still did plenty of attacking in the past that warranted a lengthy ban.

I came to the conclusion that whether I am right or not when I go-off on someone then no one cares who was right. The topic is then lost and it becomes only name calling and insults. And I have to say that when the adrenaline gets going then it's addictive to want to get in the best zingers.

But it's not productive. At all. Maybe entertaining on some level but ultimately sad and hurtful. Believe it or not I am a peaceful person and I don't hold grudges. A few years ago I tried to eliminate the word hate from my vocabulary and not even use it casually as in I hate red pool cues. It's time to do that again.

I have been in this business for 25 years. I started selling cues as a teenager. I started making cue cases when I was 23 years old. I have been extremely lucky in my life to have been able to travel the world with this sport. I have tried to share those experiences where relevant on these forums. To that end I do think I have put up a lot of good content.

Unfortunately I spoiled a lot of it with the mean-spirited and nasty fights I have been in.

So for that I want to apologize.

------------------------------------------------------------

To the forum. I am sorry for subjecting you all to my tirades and rants when I felt I was only defending myself. I was often way out of line.

Joe Van Buren: I am sorry that I did not respond professionally to your comments. Where I have been out of line and met your insults with more personal attacks I am truly sorry for that.

Jack Justis: No matter what I think about how you slighted me I had no grounds to wage an all-out campaign against you. We make leather bags not nuclear missiles. Again, I am very sorry about my actions towards you.

Bobby Chamberlain: I apologize for going after you. You were only defending your friend and I wrapped you up in the general animosity I was feeling. I should have responded to your comments professionally and courteously.

Dave Wilson: Your job is tough and I apologize for making it tougher.

Ok, well I am sure I will remember more later or possibly those who feel I owe them an apology will let me know. In any case the bottom line is this. No matter what the topic is it can always be discussed and debated without personal insults. When those insults happen though they don't have to be met with even more insults.

I know that now. That doesn't mean that I won't ever want to go off on someone if they are being deliberately mean. Inside I want to but I understand that I need to keep it professional.

So again, to the forum, thank you for indulging and tolerating me and I do sincerely apologize for subjecting you to my bad side in the past. All I can really say is to use the only quote from Thomas Wayne that resonates with me at the core, "passion is a hard thing to conceal".

John Barton​

It appears that JB is now making nuclear missiles instead of leather cases so we can look forward him provoking more fights that he himself admits are often way out-of-line.

 

[wrldpro]

I'm curious to the answer of this as well. Don't know that story, and will with hold judgement. However, unless it was for something pretty damn serious, reporting a competitor to authorities, especially in another country, sounds about as low and petty as one can go.

You are very correct. Alot of people say things on a keyboard but JB took it to a level that was as low as anyone could do. I feel really bad for Jack Justis and his family and friends that had to see officers walk into his house with a paper to investigate.
Im sure some people may have said they may do this and may do that concerning Barton but to my knowledge no one has had him investigated yet but he sure leaves the door open creating a dozen new enemies every week.

 

[Palmerfan]

Classic..

Wow ... The only thing missing here is Once upon a Time
So the real fact of the matter is I stand correct in my calling you out on your intentions not that it was Nostradamus like or anything
you could have just came with this the honest answer and saved all this aggravation but in a short period of time I have drawn the conclusion that you like it in fact that's a understatement you love it
You love to argue you love to put down his case and build yours up any chance you get
and no price is too high and no action is to low
It's all fair play in your book. and in your mind its all justifiable
Hummmm

He starts a thread called "JB stoops to new lows"...just praying to start crap, then tells Barton that "I have drawn the conclusion that you like it in fact that's a understatement you love it You love to argue"...the biggest sh*t stirrer on AZ by far who endlessly trolls to snipe..gets laughed at and destroyed in a nonsense thread HE CREATED is telling someone else how they love to argue..nothing short of epic

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Working on a Slap Top at the moment John. When I get my new PC, I will email some pics. Its actually a very simple combo lock. The zipper ends snap into the lock from above and it has 3 dials on it.

Pretty sure you have seen something like this before as it is probably available to you from the many hard ware suppliers.

 

[wrldpro]

I have it from Ron and anyone here can call him up that Ron was approached by Roy to do exatcly that. Bring in a case from CHina with Rons name on it and keep it hush. ANYONE can call Ron and verify the story.

Just to be clear, Ron was not going to sell them, as stated below. The idea was to use his name, like Jack and the Justis line if Justis West cases. Except this was to be kept on the down low. He said NO.

Sorry, I don't spread lies. Anyone here is free to call Ron, he has not been shy in the past with this story.

JV

Joe it just goes to show that Barton will throw anyone under the bus and lie and start trouble with anybody to just make some money.So its been many more people in the billiard industry other than jack Justis that Barton has been obsessed with.It is a very deadly pattern for sure.
He has been banned from just about every billiard forum several times but im sure he is innocent and didn't deserve it.The only reason Jimbo hasn't banned him is because that forum is wide open and its entertainment for him.

 

[StonedCEO]

Had no idea Justis was in my backyard. 20% of Creek is in foreclosure. As long as he's paying his property taxes, and no one in his neighborhood is complaining, they don't care. Semi retired guy, minding his own business, makes and sells some leather goods as a hobby? Pretty sure he does not have a stream of employees, and customers swarming the neighborhood. Hahaha.

I've got several thousand sq ft zoned light industrial less than 10 minutes away. Could certainly donate a few hundred sq ft., or a mailing address if ever needed.

 

[classiccues]

I have said a thousand times, if he stops being a tool, I could care less if he copied Fellinis and called them Gellini's.

Everytime and its on record, that he goes on tilt, its everyones fault but HIS own. This case is because of the Jack Pack, well in the eyes of the Jack Pack, your apology was hollow and your actions after, just as hollow and required some intervention.

Every post, he brings up Justis, every one of them. I am glad I dont read the aiming BS, becuase I am sure that top dead center of the cue ball is called Coconut Grove Florida.

I will however always be anti-overseas manufacturing, and that just the way it is. Whether its John, or Balabushka or Predator cues, don't buy them for that reason alone.

JV

 

[one stroke]

He starts a thread called "JB stoops to new lows"...just praying to start crap, then tells Barton that "I have drawn the conclusion that you like it in fact that's a understatement you love it You love to argue"...the biggest sh*t stirrer on AZ by far who endlessly trolls to snipe..gets laughed at and destroyed in a nonsense thread HE CREATED is telling someone else how they love to argue..nothing short of epic

It's by his own admission Einstein do you have a reading comprehension problem I pale in comparison to JB in the shit stirring dept just take a look at his apology list that ought to tell you something right there he has no remorse over anything he says or does to him it's all justified ,
Wasn't it you that called Danny H a drug addict and a child molester. and your here talking about me LMFAO your something


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[classiccues]

I propose a real bet....

I bet that the Jack Pack, pick 3 names, can resist bringing the name John Barton into ANY post, longer than John Barton can resist bring Jack Justis into a post...

Those that fail, permanent banning. Oh wait, we know this won't work because John has had more screen names on this site,than any 5 guys in the history of he site.

Wilson once banned Johns screennames and the membership fell by 10%

Oh well, it was worth the thought.

JV

 

[JB Cases]

I have it from Ron and anyone here can call him up that Ron was approached by Roy to do exatcly that. Bring in a case from CHina with Rons name on it and keep it hush. ANYONE can call Ron and verify the story.

Just to be clear, Ron was not going to sell them, as stated below. The idea was to use his name, like Jack and the Justis line if Justis West cases. Except this was to be kept on the down low. He said NO.

Sorry, I don't spread lies. Anyone here is free to call Ron, he has not been shy in the past with this story.

JV

keep your story straight. twenty minutes ago you said you got the story from someone you claim I told after I said you got lied to by Ron.

John,
I was told by someone you told. Go **** off.

But lets get this straight.. shitty treatment to you by Jack and you make copies, shitty to Roy and you make Thomas / Fellini copies. You're such a liar its pathetic. Be a man and say the truth for once in your life.

Again.. **** off.

JV

You lie like a MF'er. I know you know about Roy and him wanting to bring in Rons cases and have Ron not say anything. Your dislike for Ron is because he told people. Let me tell you if this industry had a backbone you wouldn't be able to sell a taco

Roy never ever told Ron Thomas that he should have his cases made in China and not tell anyone.

Roy said to Ron that he should let us make Ron's case and that then they would be BETTER than what Ron is making.

He said that to Ron just to **** with him not as any serious offer to have me make Ron Thomas cases. Ron treated Roy like shit and if it were not for Ron's shitty treatment GTF cases would not exist.

No one treated Ron better than Roy did, no one bought and sold more Thomas cases than Roy did. What did Thomas do in return? He took cases Roy PAID for and sold them at the US Open and then sold the leftovers to Brianna at the same show. Thus while Roy sits there with no cases that he paid for MONTHS prior he gets to see threads about Ron Thomas at the US open, and threads about Brianna selling newly acquired Thomas cases.

So of course Roy went ballistic about it as he should have. Then it takes Thomas another ****ing six months to make good on the full up front payment Roy had made for the cases - then after that Thomas calls Roy out of the blue and says, I see you are carrying Barton case and Roy says yeah so what? And Thomas says well as long as you are I won't sell any cases to you.

What the **** do I have to do with Ron Thomas and Roy at that point? Nothing at all.

So Roy's next phone call is to me and says can you make the Fellini/Thomas style case? I say I don't know, I have always wanted to try it but haven't gotten around to it. Roy says, well Thomas just cut me off for selling your cases so get to it and make me a replacement. And that's how GTF cases came to be.

So don't tell me who has morals and ethics and backbone. The fact is Ron Thomas tried to **** with me for no good reason at all. I never said a bad word about Ron Thomas EVER on any forum prior to that, and in fact praised his work and pointed someone in his direction twice.

Ron is a ****ing LIAR.

Well after GTF was established Roy told him that we could make his cases just to needle him, never with any intention of actually making them.

Now I guess Ron has embellished the story into Roy making a serious offer to OEM his cases under the table. Well guess what GENIUS Roy couldn't even make that offer without consulting me first because I would be the one who had to make the cases.

Now that said I am going to let you in on something else that your ignorant ass does not know. It's George whom you praised for being made in America was shopping for a Chinese supplier and they found one who could duplicate their cases. But at the end of the day they were unable to order enough to make it worthwhile for the Chinese maker so the tubes are now home to mice sitting in the yard of the maker who happens to be down the street from me. How do I know this? I made the prototypes for that maker and taught them how to make the It's George cases at the request of the Chinese trade agent and the distributor involved in helping It's George find a Chinese supplier.

You get lied to by Ron Thomas and take it as gospel while I sit here and know the full story and the truth about him and about many other events. But instead of coming to me and simply asking me first you turn around and spread those lies even further. I am 100% sure you have run a smear campaign against me but I will make this Thomas allegation of your public as well and clear the air on it.

Try again because you missed with this one.[/QUOTE]

 

[wrldpro]

Had no idea Justis was in my backyard. 20% of Creek is in foreclosure. As long as he's paying his property taxes, and no one in his neighborhood is complaining, they don't care. Semi retired guy, minding his own business, makes and sells some leather goods as a hobby? Pretty sure he does not have a stream of employees, and customers swarming the neighborhood. Hahaha.

I've got several thousand sq ft zoned light industrial less than 10 minutes away. Could certainly donate a few hundred sq ft., or a mailing address if ever needed.

Very well said. I have been there and stayed many times and Jack has a beautiful home and all his neighbors that I have seen are very nice. Jack and his Wife Toots are 1st class people and enjoy their friends and family at their home and especially all the grandchildren. Its ashame that Jack had to be treated like scum by having a no good person persuade the local Authorities investigate him.Just goes to show that Barton a guy that is in charge of a case company that ships im sure more than 50% of his products into America will say or do anything that can create any profit for himself.
As stated Barton hates Americans and likes ----.

Everyone knows John Barton doesn't like Americans to succeed.Remember the American Dream is Dead in John Bartons own words as per his own comments below.

Post # 170
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showth...12#post4202712

Quote:
Originally Posted by JB Cases View Post
Because the American Dream is dead and gays give the best head.

 

[Wedge]

I am In

I propose a real bet....

I bet that the Jack Pack, pick 3 names, can resist bringing the name John Barton into ANY post, longer than John Barton can resist bring Jack Justis into a post...

Those that fail, permanent banning. Oh wait, we know this won't work because John has had more screen names on this site,than any 5 guys in the history of he site.

Wilson once banned Johns screennames and the membership fell by 10%

Oh well, it was worth the thought.

JV

Wedge will not use the name " John Barton"into any further posts before John Barton does. That shouldn't last long!!!

 

[JB Cases]

I have only been banned from two billards forums both for the same reason, overzealous responses to bullies.

otherwise never been banned in any of dozen or so forums i am member of.