How can Charlie Williams Dragon Promotions at a charity event for his dieing long time friend, in his use to be home town try to cash in and profit for his gain, how does a person like that sleep at night carma is a *****, cant wait to hear other comment, and I want the world to know.
charity event ripped off by pro at pockets billiards
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Your hate post doesn't have much credibility when it's from a brand new anonymous poster with ZERO details about what happened.
FAIL.
Ray
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Im not siding with either one of you,but I don't see where his post counts really matters. I noticed you have over 12,000 posts,that doesn't make me believe you anymore than I would believe him. he may have a point,may not,i have heard nothing but good stuff about the way pockets is now. when I went in there a few weeks ago,the tables were in very bad shape,and they had the back door to the room wide open. im definitely looking forward to going there again.however, I was wondering what happened with john Schmidt? I was told he forfeited because of a foot injury.
The point is...this account was created as an attempt to bash Charlie Williams when in fact there is no real information. Just general statements.
This is lame anonymous keyboard fail. It would have a lot more credibility if it was from someone with 12,000 posts that everyone knows who it is or provide more specific details.
It is hard to see how that matters.
Ray
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Ok bigtruck, I want to remain anonymous. The charity event was aug. 3 at pockets billiards in va. Charlie grew up and started at pockets. The owner who did a lot for him growing up, was diagnosed with lung cancer. Charlie decided to promote a huge charity event for the owner. The owner's daughter put just as much work/time into the event as Charlie did plus she ran the business too. After everything was a great success charlie decides to bill pockets for $3300. Charlie won the tournament which was $700 & planned to keep the money along with $1200 in travel expenses for him and another pro & money from the pool school. After the daughters talked to charlie, he donated his tourny winnings and 1/2 of the travel expenses. They still paid $2000. Plus the pros didnt stay at hotels, they stayed with other customers and borrowed another customers car for 4 days, so how they come up with $1200 travel and produce no itinerary receipt doesn't make since. So bigtruck, I was there very close friends with the owners and this really happened. Ive never been a forum member but I became one just to let this be known to everyone!
Thank you for the more detailed account. That is some real BS for sure. A real scum bag
move.
I don't think anyone would be surprised though.
Ray.
I'm so glad that someone brought this situation to light! I'm in Pockets daily and close friends with everyone. All this is true and has everyone in this area disgusted! This event was a huge display of love and appreciation for a great man fighting cancer. Nobody there was rich, but everybody pitched in and made it very successful. One man donated his personal pool table to be raffled prior to the event, and another young man donated his playing cue, j/b cue and case to be raffled also. Me and some friends painted the inside of Pockets before this event without being asked to, and paid for the paint and supplies ourself and NEVER even considered allowing any form of compensation, not even free table time! People showed up in hundreds not to see Charlie but to support Allen Cox in his fight. The tournament was ran by the local APA director, Kelly Cox the daughter created the flyers and worked hard promoting the event. Everything was an awesome display of love until Charlie tried to profit $4000 on the event between his 1st place finish money and the bill he had the nerve to turn in. Not to mention there was food being cooked outside by a catering company to raise money and Charlie had his food comped because of his roll in the event. I could probably keep right on going, but y'all get the idea! Frigging disgusting
I will back greg up that everything he say is 100% true!!!!
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I copied this account over to the main forum where there is more traffic. If anyone has anything to add, please add it there to.
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If anyone has anything to add, they can do it here.
I hope everyone reading this thread will stop for a minute and say a little prayer for the Mr Cox & family who are still fighting a real battle.
Ray
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To clarify this situation, the complete story is not being told.
The event was pre-budgeted from the start months ago and Charlie Williams was asked to produce and organize the event through his company Dragon Promotions.
Pockets had requested he bring another pro such as Johnny Archer or Allison Fisher or a name to help draw more interest. John Schmidt was available and willing to come.
CW sent an expense sheet as well as planned revenue sheet to cover all costs as well as create a profit for the family.
Through his efforts DP brought in nearly $7000 cash and $7000 in products as well as many thousands of dollars in services.
Every penny was collected by the Cox family.
Dragon Promotions invested 100 free hours into the event and Charlie Williams $2500 cash. No profit was gained by anyone other than Pockets and the Cox family.
In addition, CW has contributed numerous amount of time the past 15 months consulting, promoting, and helping their business stay afloat on his own time. The charity event was also instrumental in helping Pockets get 2 badly needed A/C units installed for free.
This family members who have taken over Pockets do not have any business experience. They have taken over daily work out of no other choice. Thus they are learning as they go. E.g. The event was advertised as $900 added, and they protested the tournament prize money was mismanaged as they were short on funds. They did not understand that the added money actually came from the house which actually came from the sponsor money DP raised. They wanted to pocket all sponsor money without any expenses to the event.
In all, Pockets netted $3600 cash and $7000 in products including new cloth and balls for their poolroom. Excluding free promotions DP did via internet and magazine ad. CW personally went over the financials and budget with them after the event, and they gave acknowledgement on the numbers being accurate and voiced they only wished they made more.
All above is documented by written correspondences between DP and the Cox family.
The event was pre-budgeted from the start months ago and Charlie Williams was asked to produce and organize the event through his company Dragon Promotions.
Pockets had requested he bring another pro such as Johnny Archer or Allison Fisher or a name to help draw more interest. John Schmidt was available and willing to come.
CW sent an expense sheet as well as planned revenue sheet to cover all costs as well as create a profit for the family.
Through his efforts DP brought in nearly $7000 cash and $7000 in products as well as many thousands of dollars in services.
Every penny was collected by the Cox family.
Dragon Promotions invested 100 free hours into the event and Charlie Williams $2500 cash. No profit was gained by anyone other than Pockets and the Cox family.
In addition, CW has contributed numerous amount of time the past 15 months consulting, promoting, and helping their business stay afloat on his own time. The charity event was also instrumental in helping Pockets get 2 badly needed A/C units installed for free.
This family members who have taken over Pockets do not have any business experience. They have taken over daily work out of no other choice. Thus they are learning as they go. E.g. The event was advertised as $900 added, and they protested the tournament prize money was mismanaged as they were short on funds. They did not understand that the added money actually came from the house which actually came from the sponsor money DP raised. They wanted to pocket all sponsor money without any expenses to the event.
In all, Pockets netted $3600 cash and $7000 in products including new cloth and balls for their poolroom. Excluding free promotions DP did via internet and magazine ad. CW personally went over the financials and budget with them after the event, and they gave acknowledgement on the numbers being accurate and voiced they only wished they made more.
All above is documented by written correspondences between DP and the Cox family.
Although I do not know Charlie personally, I have met him, been to many of his events, and witnessed his honesty and integrity during games and even during conversations with others. The man has never demonstrated anything but professionalism and the highest level of ethics in my presence. As I remember, Dragon Promotions have been involved with charity events and youth tournaments in the past and have been an example in the industry for such work. During emotional moments like the death of a loved one or a dear friend, we often point fingers or lash out before we think--because we are hurting--and this may be one of those cases. These professionals contribute by providing their time and experience in promoting a profitable event. For the most part, they are not millionaire athletes that can write a check and hang out for two or three days with no income. They can only provide their time and management expertise. I commend Charlie Williams and the DP Staff for attending this event and doing what they could to make it a success. From reading the above information concerning Charlie's concessions, it sounds as if he did much more than he was anticipating in this event. The misunderstanding is unfortunate, and the death of a great man is tragic. But please don't insult a good man and good intentions because he attempts to professionally manage an event like this. It is, after all, what he does for a living. I am sure he will be much more cautious in the future when someone asks him to help out by appearing at a promotion.
I cant imagine why people are always picking on him!!!!
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We all know CW is a POS , always has been, always will be, It sad. And yes I will be glad to say it to his face.
Thank you . We agree. We actually communicated with some of the people involved and showed them the documentation and it has cleared up many issues.
There were mistakes made by another party. CW made absolutely no money on the event and fulfilled all obligations and responsibilities he volunteered for .
Charlie uses the Dragon Promotions name as a vehicle to promote his personal endeavours and if another pro or 2 happens to benefit by riding his wave, so be it.
It isn't the first time, won't be the last. Caveat emptor, with him and with DP.
Heaven forbid he uses a little accounting magic to allow the family to keep the money raised through the event. Legitimate businesses use their names to create goodwill and improve their public images, not to put a couple $ in their pockets, and to do so at the expense of a family that is battling one of worst things imaginable is disgusting.
And then to come on here and try to justify his profit? Typical.
I remember a benefit event we had in the DC area for Children's Hospital and some AZBro who posted in this thread laid a whuppin down on everyone- for fun- he donated 100% of the winnings to the benefit fund.
That life approach is a perfect example of why the pookster has class and Charlie has none.
It isn't the first time, won't be the last. Caveat emptor, with him and with DP.
Heaven forbid he uses a little accounting magic to allow the family to keep the money raised through the event. Legitimate businesses use their names to create goodwill and improve their public images, not to put a couple $ in their pockets, and to do so at the expense of a family that is battling one of worst things imaginable is disgusting.
And then to come on here and try to justify his profit? Typical.
I remember a benefit event we had in the DC area for Children's Hospital and some AZBro who posted in this thread laid a whuppin down on everyone- for fun- he donated 100% of the winnings to the benefit fund.
That life approach is a perfect example of why the pookster has class and Charlie has none.