Diamond has made a LOT of changes in the last 13 years, I would know...I've seen them all, and helped with some
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Diamond has made a LOT of changes in the last 13 years, I would know...I've seen them all, and helped with some
Hey Glen,
What is safe to use to clean dirt stains off the cloth of a diamond? Will soap work or will it effect the glue?
Thanks in advance
What is safe to use to clean dirt stains off the cloth of a diamond? Will soap work or will it effect the glue?
Thanks in advance
HOT water and woolite, and a wash cloth, tightly squeezed out.
Got it! Thanks again
I spoke to the people at Diamond and they confirmed that they are only making "Pro-Cut" pockets now, and are no longer making tables with "League-Cut" pockets as a regular thing. Many Diamonds are essentially custom-made, however, or made-to-order, and they will cut the pockets however you want them.
I play on nine-year-old 9-footers with League-Cut pockets at a pool room and really like them, and this past week found a bowling alley that has 11 Diamond 7-footers, two of which have the Pro-Cut pockets. So I played a number of practice tables on both the League-Cut and Pro-Cut 7-footers just to get a feel for the difference. They really didn't play all that much differently for me, although my home table has very tight pockets (my nickname for my own table is "Rattle and Hang"). The League-Cut pockets did seem more accepting.
The real difference to me was this: about five times while clearing five tables on the League-Cut pockets, balls went in that I didn't think should have gone in--the aim was just a bit too far off, and I was surprised the balls fell anyway. And, on the tables with the Pro-Cut pockets, there were at least two times where balls rattled and I thought it was a cheat--that is, I felt that I had hit the ball true enough that it should have dropped, but it jawed instead.
In both cases what I used to evaluate this was simply my "feeling of surprise." Surprise that the ball did drop when I thought it wasn't going to, and surprise that it didn't drop when I felt that it should.
Your mileage may vary of course.
I play on nine-year-old 9-footers with League-Cut pockets at a pool room and really like them, and this past week found a bowling alley that has 11 Diamond 7-footers, two of which have the Pro-Cut pockets. So I played a number of practice tables on both the League-Cut and Pro-Cut 7-footers just to get a feel for the difference. They really didn't play all that much differently for me, although my home table has very tight pockets (my nickname for my own table is "Rattle and Hang"). The League-Cut pockets did seem more accepting.
The real difference to me was this: about five times while clearing five tables on the League-Cut pockets, balls went in that I didn't think should have gone in--the aim was just a bit too far off, and I was surprised the balls fell anyway. And, on the tables with the Pro-Cut pockets, there were at least two times where balls rattled and I thought it was a cheat--that is, I felt that I had hit the ball true enough that it should have dropped, but it jawed instead.
In both cases what I used to evaluate this was simply my "feeling of surprise." Surprise that the ball did drop when I thought it wasn't going to, and surprise that it didn't drop when I felt that it should.
Your mileage may vary of course.
If you hit a shot down the rail harder on a diamond, it's a lot harder for the ball to go in. Either hitting the facing or touching one of the points or hitting the rail a bit. So people soft hit the shots to the balls roll in. A good test of a table is to hit a ball almost straight on the rail with a hard draw shot. If the table is setup right, it will go in. If not, it will rattle out off the facings.
Just an FYI -
Back in 2003 or so, Diamonds were used by APA.
They were very concerned that the tables would be too tough for their players etc.
The end result was the matches were going about 15 minutes faster - I believe this was the singles event.
Diamonds were used about 1.5 to 2 years before they cancelled the contract because I bought the BCA Leagues.
They only variable between years was Diamonds and not Valleys.
I think this shows that the tables are not as tough as people are trying to say. I think the differnece is that you can shoot soft and the cue ball goes straight - and players realize they can shoot softer - which means more balls go in.
Just my thoughts.
Mark Griffin
Back in 2003 or so, Diamonds were used by APA.
They were very concerned that the tables would be too tough for their players etc.
The end result was the matches were going about 15 minutes faster - I believe this was the singles event.
Diamonds were used about 1.5 to 2 years before they cancelled the contract because I bought the BCA Leagues.
They only variable between years was Diamonds and not Valleys.
I think this shows that the tables are not as tough as people are trying to say. I think the differnece is that you can shoot soft and the cue ball goes straight - and players realize they can shoot softer - which means more balls go in.
Just my thoughts.
Mark Griffin
Im starting to question Kens shot making ability lol. I love playing on Diamond tables. I think its consistantly easier to make balls when you can count on the roll your going to get.