Aiming with english, did you know...? (A little fun fact for you)

[Bob Jewett]

A few years ago Bob Byrne showed me a semi-practical shot with negative elevation with both balls on or near a cushion, but I can't remember the exact situation. (It was not a reverse-masse shot.) It was played with follow to help get the elevation.

Mr. Byrne informs me that the shot is on page 101 of his book, "Complete Book of Pool Shots." Suppose both balls are frozen to the long rail with the rail to your left. The technique allows you to play the shot with right follow.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Good stuff, I will try it.

Could be a great proposition shot. (as long as your customer didn't read the thread or the book)

Mr. Byrne informs me that the shot is on page 101 of his book, "Complete Book of Pool Shots." Suppose both balls are frozen to the long rail with the rail to your left. The technique allows you to play the shot with right follow.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Through the webbing, reminds me to never bet on any shot on a pool table.

Lol.


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That's good advise.

 

[3kushn]

There's one shot in particular that I've had to deal with this phenomenon and control it - that's the force follow three rail shot with inside english (around a "half ball" hit).

I make sure my cue is level and like I said in my last post I have to align to the "wrong" side of the object ball (the side opposite the one I'm hitting).....if I align to the center as usual I'll over-cut the ball every time.....it took me a long time in my career to figure this out. Some older champion told me, I can't remember who it was, maybe Wade Crane,

I used to make it (by educated guess), but only when in "dead stroke" - mainly by aiming to undercut it 2-3 inches inside the pocket, this works, however, the way I'm describing is a more accurate way to play it. imho

The shot I'm thinking you're describing is one I used to toil with when I played.

Example:
OB is an inch maybe 2" off the long rail between 1/2 and 2 diamonds from the corner. CB is maybe 6" of the same rail. Position is 3 rails.

Is that what you're talking about?

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Just put a piece of chalk on the short rail and then place the cue ball in the chalk hole. Now take your cue and shoot the cue ball upwards (45 degrees) with side English. The cue ball will deflect away from the side of the English. When the cue ball lands back on the cloth it will also curve in the same direction. Example: use right English and the cue ball will deflect right and curve right.

It's just an old hustling trick.

 

[Tennesseejoe]

We all know about the three factors in aiming with english, throw, deflection, & curve, whatever you want to call them. But did you know that a level cue with max top & side english will cause the cueball to deflect and curve in the same direction, opposite of the side of english you apply? Yep, the cueball will curve away from the line and not back into it.

Just throwing that little fun fact out there, I'm not even sure if this is the right place for it.

I would like to add a question to this OP. If using max top and side English, WITH A LEVEL CUE, will this give a different axis than just using max side English with a LEVEL CUE?

 

[(((Satori)))]

I would like to add a question to this OP. If using max top and side English, WITH A LEVEL CUE, will this give a different axis than just using max side English with a LEVEL CUE?

It will put a different rotation on the cueball. I believe the forward + side is needed to put the reverse masse effect on the cueball. I'm no science guy though.

 

[CJ Wiley]

You then hit it with extreme inside to go three rails around the table.

The shot I'm thinking you're describing is one I used to toil with when I played.

Example:
OB is an inch maybe 2" off the long rail between 1/2 and 2 diamonds from the corner. CB is maybe 6" of the same rail. Position is 3 rails.

Is that what you're talking about?

I'm talking more along the lines of the cue ball being on the foot spot and the object ball 2" off the rail one or two diamonds up on the side rail on the opposite end of the table.

You then hit it with extreme inside to go three rails around the table....you may have been describing a different version of this, just couldn't tell for sure.

 

[3kushn]

I'm talking more along the lines of the cue ball being on the foot spot and the object ball 2" off the rail one or two diamonds up on the side rail on the opposite end of the table.

You then hit it with extreme inside to go three rails around the table....you may have been describing a different version of this, just couldn't tell for sure.

Yes I think it's the same problem/solution.
Usually hit the short rail. I was taught like you said, aim at the long. Next time I find myself on a pool table I'm gonna try your way. Sounds more predictable.