Perception in CTE Pro 1

mohrt said:
Give it a month, not a day. Practice the shots as demonstrated. All the understanding will come. This is the only way forward. You can't possibly come back after one practice session with definitive results. This is the point where you decide to be a finger pointer, or put in the time to really get it. As you might observe, many don't get past here.
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Good response :-)

@Rubell:
No matter what are you going to change: it will always take time. This is a very cruicial point for every player if he wants to change something completley! No matter if you want to get rid of bad issues in fundamentals-- or now as in your case to switch to Pro1/CTE-- this WILL take a longer time! Guaranteed!
You will have to change too many things you never did before. And you will not find any *one-way-description*.

From what i read, you don t believe in the system. And without this belief........it s senseless. Sorry if that sounds a bit rude.

lg
Ingo
 
rubell, you seem like an intelligent and level headed guy. You can choose to listen to crap Lou throws in, or not. Frankly, it is useless but do as you choose.

In reference to your analogy about explaining software to a 7 year old. Not a real good analogy since it is likely the 7 year old has no understanding of software at all other than a computerized play toy. Nonetheless, let's say you explained software to them, they turned on a computer and looked at it for an hour. Do you think that would suddenly offer them enlightenment?

I don't believe you see the folks who have adopted CTE/Pro One jumping on TOI, Perfect Aim or other aiming threads telling people those systems are useless and there is only one perfect system. This is what Lou-ser would attempt to have you believe. Those that have adopted CTE/Pro One seem to say to a man that it requires a substantial effort to become proficient at it. Stevie Moore is clearly a world class player and he told me he used CTE for almost 2 years before completely converting to Pro One. Stevie worked hard to rebuild his stroke and his game to make CTE/Pro One work. My point here is this system isn't something you pick up overnight. Believe me, early on, I was frustrated with Stan many times with what I thought were cryptic responses. After having invested 8 months of effort and gaining a much better understanding, I also understand why he answered that way. How can you argue with success though? Stevie Moore. Stan's Son Landon. Watch Stan's videos of 100 ball + runs. Watch DLK (?) and his video of a 200+ straight pool run. It may not be for you but it is impossible to make a case that it doesn't work. If Lou-ser wants to diss CTE/Pro One, let him put his money where his mouth is and come play any of those guys for a few thousand dollars. I've seen videos of him playing, rest assured, that isn't happening.

If you don't wish to invest the time or don't think the system is for you, I don't think any of the CTE/Pro One advocates will rag you one bit about it. I don't believe the system is for everyone. It is challenging to learn. It is much more challenging to master. However, I am convinced that it is the most perfect ball pocketing aiming system.

One more thing. It seems you're a reasonably skilled player. Imagine trying to explain a "feel" aiming system to a 7 year old. Imagine trying to explain overlap, ghost ball or fractional aiming to a 7 year old. Or even to a 27 year old that has never played pool. You take that knowledge for granted at this point because you are already comfortable with it. CTE/Pro One is so substantially different that at first, it can seem that way to someone. As I said, you seem like a good guy and you're asking fair questions. Good luck with whatever you do and I hope you keep enjoying the game.
 
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Ratta said:
Good response :-)

@Rubell:
No matter what are you going to change: it will always take time. This is a very cruicial point for every player if he wants to change something completley! No matter if you want to get rid of bad issues in fundamentals-- or now as in your case to switch to Pro1/CTE-- this WILL take a longer time! Guaranteed!
You will have to change too many things you never did before. And you will not find any *one-way-description*.

From what i read, you don t believe in the system. And without this belief........it s senseless. Sorry if that sounds a bit rude.

lg
Ingo
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I am glad to try something new and get an experience if something is explained. I love learning. After reading/watching instructions I asked exact questions on what some terms mean, how to do. Imagine I do not know these English words. I am not questioning if it works or challenging anything. I am not arguing if something is right or wrong. I am trying to understand what shall be done to achieve the result. Some terminology is not explained what it means.

By the way, nice quote, straight to the point. I guess I play a role of grandma now. :-)
 
The fact is, you aren't putting in the time, and you don't fully understand the steps. I don't care if you say you are or do, because you aren't.

Pro One isn't something you can just learn in a day or a week. The DVD isn't something you can just watch one time, and then expect it to work. It's not a magic bullet and takes real time and effort. Which is why Lou's review is such nonsense.
 
BeiberLvr said:
The fact is, you aren't putting in the time, and you don't fully understand the steps. I don't care if you say you are or do, because you aren't.

Pro One isn't something you can just learn in a day or a week. The DVD isn't something you can just watch one time, and then expect it to work. It's not a magic bullet and takes real time and effort. Which is why Lou's review is such nonsense.
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BeiberLvr, I am not sure if you read my previous post. In order to put the time and effort, I need to know what to do. I had very basic questions the answers for which I did not receive. Simple as that and I do not understand what not to understand in it. :-)

I am not mocking it, not challenging, not doing anything besides asking some questions, which are not a rocket science. What this word means, what that word means. Without it, it is like reading for me a foreign language without having a sufficient vocabulary.
 
Disclaimer: I do not dispute that someone to learn CTE Pro 1, one must put a lot of effort and spend significant time. I understand it.
 
Let me explain what I mean. When, for example, I ask:

> So, perception is not behind center to edge and it is not behind edge to "A", so what is it? As I understand it is between???

It means I ask only these questions, without side thoughts or hidden agenda. If the first question cannot be answered precisely, can the second question be answered?

Then, if I am not mistaken, I asked what the word "center" means, what the word "lock" means, what the word "right", "wrong", "perception", etc.

If one word cannot be explained well, maybe another can be explained. Otherwise, it is like reading something without knowing the words. At least if I knew the meaning of some words, I would understand some other words from context when trying at a pool table.
 
rubell said:
Let me explain what I mean. When, for example, I ask:

> So, perception is not behind center to edge and it is not behind edge to "A", so what is it? As I understand it is between???

It means I ask only these questions, without side thoughts or hidden agenda. If the first question cannot be answered precisely, can the second question be answered?

Then, if I am not mistaken, I asked what the word "center" means, what the word "lock" means, what the word "right", "wrong", "perception", etc.

If one word cannot be explained well, maybe another can be explained. Otherwise, it is like reading something without knowing the words. At least if I knew the meaning of some words, I would understand some other words from context when trying at a pool table.
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The system (with the exception of really thin cuts) uses two unique visuals. Center of the CB to the edge of the OB, and the edge of the CB to the left quarter(A), right quarter(C), or center of the OB(B).

There is only one way to see both lines.
 
I gave up on Pro1/CTE. I wasted my year and half of my life practicing this system.

I see a shot that is 15 degree and more so I see center to edge of the OB and edge of the cue ball is at B.......I get down.....omg I ****ing miss! lmao hahaha sorry I couldn't be acting this way.

so that pretty much all I got to say about that now as Forrest Gump put it.

I just shoot the way Hal Taught me......so I stick with what he taught me.
 
I gave up and I did the most incredible thing I ever done in my life.....I got rid of that dvd pro1/cte and gave it to someone else. it was evil being in my house and I couldn't stand it being in my dvds shelve and It was whispering at me at night saying " Jeremy watch me one more time" and I was angry that I couldn't figure it out and given up on learning the system so I had to give it to someone else so the dvd can ruin someone else life.
 
Cults and Evil

It would have been nice to wait until at least October before using words such as cults and evil in reference to CTE PRO ONE.

Stan Shuffett
 
If you are thinking degrees then that is one major issue.

I think visuals and sweeps - it becomes very obvious with dedicated table time.

Jpool1985 said:
I gave up on Pro1/CTE. I wasted my year and half of my life practicing this system.

I see a shot that is 15 degree and more so I see center to edge of the OB and edge of the cue ball is at B.......I get down.....omg I ****ing miss! lmao hahaha sorry I couldn't be acting this way.

so that pretty much all I got to say about that now as Forrest Gump put it.

I just shoot the way Hal Taught me......so I stick with what he taught me.
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Let me also add that it doesn't matter (to an extent, of course) where you stand to pick up the visuals.

Why?

Because you can't pick up the visuals with your body. As mentioned numerous times, "The eyes lead, and the body follows." The two most important things when finding the visuals are your eyes and head. Moving your head or eyes to the left or right even a small amount will change what you see, and there's only one position for your head or eyes to see the correct visuals on each shot.

In the diagram below, it doesn't matter if I stand at position A or B. I can still find the correct visuals by simply moving my head until my eyes pick up the correct visuals.

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BeiberLvr said:
Let me also add that it doesn't matter (to an extent, of course) where you stand to pick up the visuals.

Why?

Because you can't pick up the visuals with your body. As mentioned numerous times, "The eyes lead, and the body follows." The two most important things when finding the visuals are your eyes and head. Moving your head or eyes to the left or right even a small amount will change what you see, and there's only one position for your head or eyes to see the correct visuals on each shot.

In the diagram below, it doesn't matter if I stand at position A or B. I can still find the correct visuals by simply moving my head until my eyes pick up the correct visuals.

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You are 100% correct. Great point and excellent diagram to show it!

Stan Shuffett
 
rubell said:
Let me explain what I mean. When, for example, I ask:

> So, perception is not behind center to edge and it is not behind edge to "A", so what is it? As I understand it is between???

It means I ask only these questions, without side thoughts or hidden agenda. If the first question cannot be answered precisely, can the second question be answered?

Then, if I am not mistaken, I asked what the word "center" means, what the word "lock" means, what the word "right", "wrong", "perception", etc.

If one word cannot be explained well, maybe another can be explained. Otherwise, it is like reading something without knowing the words. At least if I knew the meaning of some words, I would understand some other words from context when trying at a pool table.
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Most everything you are trying to drill into here with words will be answered through table time. You won't know every tiny detail before you begin your practice, these details reveal themselves once your eyes figure out what to do.
 
Gerry Williams said:
The system works perfectly when the effort is put in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg3MbcOf9WI&feature=c4-overview&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g

All shots hit with the same visual and sweep - CTE-ETC Right Sweep

I haven't hit a ball all summer - the system is the strongest out there.
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In my opinion not even close.:smile:

Any system that takes you to the ghostball, puts you in the worst possible position to run out correctly.You are actually making it harder on yourself.

Any system that has the same line up and same sweep but produces a different angle according to different shots leaves the user in a bad way.Again making it harder on yourself but with lots of practice just maybe you can over come it.:smile:

Best system out there....???

Anthony
 
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8pack said:
In my opipion not even close.:smile:

Any system that takes you to the ghostball, puts you in the worst possible position to run out correctly.You are actually making it harder on yourself.

Any system that has the same line up and same sweep but produces a different angle according to different shots leaves the user in a bad way.Again making it harder on yourself but with lots of practice just maybe you can over come it.:smile:

Best system out there....???

Anthony
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You realize this is trolling, yes? You are either just trying to start arguments, or you really know nothing about what you are saying. It's hard to read what you post with a straight face, there are so many holes in it.
 
mohrt said:
You realize this is trolling, yes? You are either just trying to start arguments, or you really know nothing about what you are saying. It's hard to read what you post with a straight face, there are so many holes in it.
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Just giving my opinion mohrt.:smile:
 
8pack said:
Just giving my opinion mohrt.:smile:
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So any aiming system that takes you to the shot line (line through the ghostball) puts you in the worst position possible to runout. :confused: That is some great insight there.
 
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