American legs weak on foreign soil? Or simply not good enough?

Cdryden said:
Lol, your logic is as blind as it is ignorant.

So despite our"awful" technique, American players have been among the elite players worldwide for well over 100 years.

Maybe you should open your eye's and realize that your way isn't the only way or the best way for all. But no, you'd rather keep your hear buried in the sand and continue to believe that the uk is the best at everything and everyone else is wrong!

No wonder people think the British got a cob stuck up their ass, CAUSE THEY DO!

Oh well, pocket point/push pool or whatever you prefer to go by these days, your entitled to your opinion, I just wish you would learn the difference between opinion and fact.
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Hmm, interesting on too many levels to bother with, but why were Americans dominant for 100 years and are not now?

There, you have your answer.
 
Ron Swanson is the guy at the pool hall that everyone hates. He tells you how to fix every little part of your game, but cant run 1 rack. He's a punk, no more, now less.

I'd be blown away if this dumb ass can run 4 balls.

Ron, your next screen name should be Troll Fodder.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Hmm, interesting on too many levels to bother with, but why were Americans dominant for 100 years and are not now?

There, you have your answer.
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I wouldn't say ANY country or continent is "dominent" in tournaments. Most are in the mix with various players. The reason being, short race format. Rolls play a way bigger part than any form of play. That's why when good players match up, they want a longer set to even the rolls hopefully.

Are Amercan's not in the mix now? What European just snapped of DCC, and the various US opens, or Turning stone, or any other number of tournaments where there were plenty of foreign players? Thorsten just got the 14.1 world, where are all his other tournament wins?
 
Cdryden said:
His mentality reminds me of Phil Helmuth playing poker.

Phil after loosing" It doesn't make sense, I play the right way, he doesn't. I should win....it's not fair.... why wont he play my way" Lol childish mentality.
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Good old Phil, that's a perfect analogy.

I have to spread some green around before I can give you more. You deserve one for that commnet!
 
Ron Swanson said:
Hmm, interesting on too many levels to bother with, but why were Americans dominant for 100 years and are not now?

There, you have your answer.
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Why weren't the British dominate 100 years ago. Why is the sky blue? Why doesn't generic frosted flakes taste as good? Wake up!

Here is my point. Just because your way works good for you does not mean it is right or the only way. I have nothing against a snooker stance or any other for that matter. I have very sound mechanics. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. There is not a one size fits all in pool technique. People are built different which demands variations. It's obvious that you have never taught any sports mechanics to anyone, or had them taught to you. If you had you would understand this.

When I was a pitcher in high school I remember talking to our pitching coach about another pitchers ability to throw a curve ball. I asked him why mine broke different thant his and why I couldn't do it his way. He explained that his way wont work for me, I was 6 inches taller and my body mechanics were quite different than his which changes everything.

A pool stroke isn't a cookie cutter type of thing. You can try to emulate and assimilate other peoples technique but you will find that some things just don't work for you.

But continue to think that if everyone did it your way it would save pool if it makes you happy, it's obvious that no one here can talk sense to you. I'm must be out of my mind for even bothering to try and discuss it with you.
 
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Cdryden said:
Why weren't the British dominate 100 years ago. Why is the sky blue? Why doesn't generic frosted flakes taste as good? Wake up!

Here is my point. Just because your way works good for you does not mean it is right or the only way. I have nothing against a snooker stance or any other for that matter. I have very sound mechanics. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. There is not a one size fits all in pool technique. People are built different which demands variations. It's obvious that you have never taught any sports mechanics to anyone, or had them taught to you. If you had you would understand this.

When I was a pitcher in high school I remember talking to our pitching coach about another pitchers ability to throw a curve ball. I asked him why mine broke different thant his and why I couldn't do it his way. He explained that his way wont work for me, I was 6 inches taller and my body mechanics were quite different than his which changes everything.

A pool stroke isn't a cookie cutter type of thing. You can try to emulate and assimilate other peoples technique but you will find that some things just don't work for you.

But continue to think that if everyone did it your way it would save pool if it makes you happy, it's obvious that no one here can talk sense to you. I'm must be out of my mind for even bothering to try and discuss it with you.
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The USA have had all the legends of the game because nobody else until recently really played the game? Appleton who is on the way to hall of fame, way more titles than SVB, world champion, international champions cup, back to back US open etc has only being playing American pool for 7 years compared to SVb, Archer whoever all their life. I believe what swanson is trying to say is that there is an influx of other players outside the US who are now dominating the sport and they have been playing far less than our US players. Why ? is it technique? mentality? foundation? exercise? etc.
 
dundeewizard said:
The USA have had all the legends of the game because nobody else until recently really played the game? Appleton who is on the way to hall of fame, way more titles than SVB, world champion, international champions cup, back to back US open etc has only being playing American pool for 7 years compared to SVb, Archer whoever all their life. I believe what swanson is trying to say is that there is an influx of other players outside the US who are now dominating the sport and they have been playing far less than our US players. Why ? is it technique? mentality? foundation? exercise? etc.
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DAZ beat SVB on TAR too... O wait no, SVB throttled him. Why??? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Longer set? No way, it's only because Shane breaks good...
 
dundeewizard said:
The USA have had all the legends of the game because nobody else until recently really played the game? Appleton who is on the way to hall of fame, way more titles than SVB, world champion, international champions cup, back to back US open etc has only being playing American pool for 7 years compared to SVb, Archer whoever all their life. I believe what swanson is trying to say is that there is an influx of other players outside the US who are now dominating the sport and they have been playing far less than our US players. Why ? is it technique? mentality? foundation? exercise? etc.
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Its money. pool doesn't pay so we pay sports in america that have money.
 
gopi-1 said:
Why can't we make it a ten man team? I'm sure the Filipinos are up to it. No obscure games, let's stick to 8, 9 and 10 ball. No
One Pocket, and Banks, that cancels out your English pool and Snooker . We could also add 14.1/Straight Pool in there...
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Yes. Let's make it a ten man team if you want.. If you haven't got ten players that can play the other cue sports then ok, we will stick to your rules...

Let's play for $2m a corner and you have to nominate whether it is raining and the referee is a girl called Beryl..
 
voiceofreason said:
What you mean like all the world championships and all the prestigious world events?
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You're throwing around the word prestigious pretty loose...


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CreeDo said:
Lot of handflapping because one guy, Shane, hasn't won a specific event or two.

If Shane simply wasn't good enough he'd usually lose to the guys who HAVE won world titles.
So which world title winner has tortured him?
Toastie? Shane beat him at SBE.
Darren? Shane beat him in long ten ball sets on TAR.

Shane's obviously good enough, just give him a race long enough to iron out the rolls.
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None of the world titles he hasn't won are in those formats, so what's your point?
 
jhanso18 said:
I think you hit the nail on the head pretty good. Even Shane doesn't travel much. No real pay off in it.

I think Europeans can play well. When it comes to REAL pool, not Mosconi cup, USA is still stronger by a decent margin. There aren't many guys that could grind out a long set with your second tear pro's like Bartrum, Shuff, or Mike D. let alone the big guns. The biggest problem the Europeans have, is that they think race to 13 is a long set...
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What is REAL pool if it is not all the top world events with the top prize money, tv, prestige, viewing figures and exposure?

Who bets the most? Really?

I bet there are players in the millionaires suit at the Balageo racking em for $100,000 a rack right now - that can barely hold a cue..
 
voiceofreason said:
None of the world titles he hasn't won are in those formats, so what's your point?
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World Championships should be race to 13 MINIMUM. It's no ones fault that they don't set up a tournament to see who is really best.

For all intents and purposes, 1 on 1 tournaments like TAR or some of the other venues is the only way to know who is truly best. And anyone with a brain will tell you that will vary by the week, maybe even day.

As far as talent pool goes, we all know Asia's is deepest by leaps and bounds. North America to Europe is a wash, maybe a slight edge depending on games and format.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Hmm, interesting on too many levels to bother with, but why were Americans dominant for 100 years and are not now?

There, you have your answer.
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Americans have been dominant for 100 years. Until 2006 England barely paid any interest to American pool at all. Given a few years and three or four players swapping from English pool and snooker to your game and woosh... world beaters before you know it..
 
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