American legs weak on foreign soil? Or simply not good enough?

Ron Swanson said:
I said you cannot cue a ball, not you cannot pot one. Whilst all great players, many of those you list have appalling technique, and play well in spite of it, not because of it.

Someone mentioned the england football team earlier, and he gets no argument from me there are systemic problems with our technique, and has been for decades. The trouble is, your average British football fan/player/punter doesn't see the problem, so it persists.

The problem you have is cultural, just as ours is with football. If you don't change your culture you're finished as a pool playing nation. And saying this only gives me a modicum of pleasure - it is in all of our best interests to have a strong pool scene in the US.

It really is up to you. If you are happy with the state of pool in America, good luck to you - you're going to need it.
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Since when did standing square to the table with an open bridge and taking 20 minutes on your pre shot routine become the proper technique to "cueing" a ball?

Keith McCready would walk all over your proper technique with a grin on his face.
 
pro9dg said:
There are a few good points here. What would make a difference would be for someone to pick up a Messiah tab. Right now there is one savior for the game in the USA. You will see him lead out Team Europe at the Mirage in December.

Johan Ruysink has just relinquished his long time contract with the Dutch Pool Federation and is available for a new challenge.
He is a man with a plan and it would be Revival Time for the game in the USA.
Maybe Mark Griffin or some other visionary to pick up his salary tab. Then all you guys on here could look forward to a bright future.
Invest in the future
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That's a good idea, but nothing will happen without a strong organising body first. Structure, then people.
 
DAVE_M said:
Since when did standing square to the table with an open bridge and taking 20 minutes on your pre shot routine become the proper technique to "cueing" a ball?

Keith McCready would walk all over your proper technique with a grin on his face.
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Keith McCready would be left quivering in a corner after his first attempt at playing a snooker playing with 'proper technique'. You lot don't know what you don't know, but congratulations for your support. It's sweet.

And I think you'll find snooker players, on average, play much quicker and more fluently than their pool playing counterparts, who get down, get up, shake their head, get down, get up, chalk their cue, shake their head, walk around the table, get down, get up, then get down and finally, finally shot a straight stop shot into a bucket from 3 feet, often to a loud round of snores.

Another topic, but the pace of pool drives me nuts. There is something FUNDAMENTALLY wrong with pool when snooker is the quicker game.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Keith McCready would be left quivering in a corner after his first attempt at playing a snooker playing with 'proper technique'. You lot don't know what you don't know, but congratulations for your support. It's sweet.

And I think you'll find snooker players, on average, play much quicker and more fluently than their pool playing counterparts, who get down, get up, shake their head, get down, get up, chalk their cue, shake their head, walk around the table, get down, get up, then get down and finally, finally shot a straight stop shot into a bucket from 3 feet, often to a loud round of snores.

Another topic, but the pace of pool drives me nuts. There is something FUNDAMENTALLY wrong with pool when snooker is the quicker game.
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Showing your lack of intelligence again eh? To start, Keith was slaying world beaters for big money when he was still in high school, so I don't think snooker has anything that could make him quiver in fear. And he is anything but slow. Honestly, do you know anything about the game and it's players?
 
Cdryden said:
Showing your lack of intelligence again eh? To start, Keith was slaying world beaters for big money when he was still in high school, so I don't think snooker has anything that could make him quiver in fear. And he is anything but slow. Honestly, do you know anything about the game and it's players?
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Read Dave's post (#101) again and let me know if there's anything else I can help you with.
 
DAVE_M said:
Since when did standing square to the table with an open bridge and taking 20 minutes on your pre shot routine become the proper technique to "cueing" a ball?

Keith McCready would walk all over your proper technique with a grin on his face.
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Read it Ron, whats your point?
 
The Mosconi Cup itself isn't a great indicator, since its a really short race format (for TV, and that's cool) and the 9 is racked on the spot, which is commonplace for the Euros, but only comes into play for the US during the Cup, and the few international tournaments that any US player competes in.

Compare and contrast all the factors you like, but The Cup itself doesn't necessarily prove anything.
 
justadub said:
The Mosconi Cup itself isn't a great indicator, since its a really short race format (for TV, and that's cool) and the 9 is racked on the spot, which is commonplace for the Euros, but only comes into play for the US during the Cup, and the few international tournaments that any US player competes in.

Compare and contrast all the factors you like, but The Cup itself doesn't necessarily prove anything.
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Agreed. The MC proves nothing. The World Cup of Pool, however, amply demonstrated where the powerhouses really are. This would only become even more apparent with longer races, more players per team, different breaking positions or any of the other easy excuses thrown up to distort reality.

Question is, will the US/Euros continue to fall and Asia continue to rise indefinitely? That is by no means certain, but we certainly need to take note of what they are doing.
 
Ron Swanson said:
That your response bore no relation to what you quoted.
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You said Keith would be scared playing snooker, I said no chance. You implied Keith is slow, I asked if you know anything about american players, anyone who does knows that Keith is anything but slow! My responses are right on the money. You gibberish on the other hand, leaves most scratching their head in disbelief that anyone can be that ignorant.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Are they the best in the world? Sorry, I'm underwhelmed by this list. No future world champs in there, my friend.
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???????? Johny and Earl are both world champs, and I don't think I'd bet against them playing ANY european in a longer set. Race to 20+ games.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Keith McCready would be left quivering in a corner after his first attempt at playing a snooker playing with 'proper technique'. You lot don't know what you don't know, but congratulations for your support. It's sweet.

And I think you'll find snooker players, on average, play much quicker and more fluently than their pool playing counterparts, who get down, get up, shake their head, get down, get up, chalk their cue, shake their head, walk around the table, get down, get up, then get down and finally, finally shot a straight stop shot into a bucket from 3 feet, often to a loud round of snores.

Another topic, but the pace of pool drives me nuts. There is something FUNDAMENTALLY wrong with pool when snooker is the quicker game.
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Snooker is a simpler easier game to be fair..
 
Ron Swanson said:
Agreed. The MC proves nothing. The World Cup of Pool, however, amply demonstrated where the powerhouses really are. This would only become even more apparent with longer races, more players per team, different breaking positions or any of the other easy excuses thrown up to distort reality.

Question is, will the US/Euros continue to fall and Asia continue to rise indefinitely? That is by no means certain, but we certainly need to take note of what they are doing.
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Racking position, at least in the case of "9 on the spot", certainly seems relevant to me.

For pro's, the break dictates the winner in 9-ball more often than not. Having that cut break grooved from playing that way all year seems to be an advantage, at least to me.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Lol.



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Does the USA even have 10 players that can make a century?

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