Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

Jimmy "Pretty Boy Floyd" Mataya used to walk by when I was practicing and say........

real bartram said:
Your sure Chris is a very good player
Not sure why but that's a funny line

1 man and no aiming system
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The only time I've ever seen you play was in Tunica playing that guy from Missouri (I can't remember his name). You looked like you played pretty good to me, but I wasn't exactly making a "scouting report".

Jimmy "Pretty Boy Floyd" Mataya used to walk by when I was practicing and say "you'll make a darn good shooter one day".......I always took that as an incredible compliment. :D
 
CJ Wiley said:
The only time I've ever seen you play was in Tunica playing that guy from Missouri (I can't remember his name). You looked like you played pretty good to me, but I wasn't exactly making a "scouting report".

Jimmy "Pretty Boy Floyd" Mataya used to walk by when I was practicing and say "you'll make a darn good shooter one day".......I always took that as an incredible compliment. :D
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CJ Wiley said:
The only time I've ever seen you play was in Tunica playing that guy from Missouri (I can't remember his name). You looked like you played pretty good to me, but I wasn't exactly making a "scouting report".

Jimmy "Pretty Boy Floyd" Mataya used to walk by when I was practicing and say "you'll make a darn good shooter one day".......I always took that as an incredible compliment. :D
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CJ Wiley said:
Technically you're wrong in making that statement.

I stated "they're just a "hair" over 4" pockets"......in case you didn't "real eyes" it, and it's stated clearly.....you can argue how wide a "hair" is, but then you'd be taking the position that I was being literal - and with the ruler plainly visible it's clearly a figure of speech ie: "The football team was a "hair" from making a first down on that play"......'The Game is the Teacher'.....but just by a "hair". ;) ...
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CJ -- Have you forgotten? When your video of 29 in a row in one pocket was posted seven months ago, your claim that the pockets were a halr over 4" was thoroughly debunked. When one number is used to describe a pocket's size, conventionally it is the mouth dimension (nose to nose). Many other factors also affect a pocket's degree of difficulty, but the mouth on those corner pockets is about 4 ½". Here's a paragraph from one of my posts at that time:

"But here's why I chimed in. This, apparently, is the table on which Earl performed his million-dollar magic. That is an historical event. CJ is making a documentary about it that will become part of pool's historical record. CJ has mentioned a number of times how tight the table is. He has used the term "triple-shimmed" a number of times to describe the table. Well, "triple-shimmed" really doesn't mean much in terms of a table's degree of difficulty (how wide was it before shimming? how thick are the shims?). Now, with this video, we have actually gotten a look at this table. And, in the video, CJ says the table has "just a hair over 4" pockets." By conventional standards, that is an incorrect statement, and I think CJ should be aware of that, and not repeat the mistake, when he creates the definitive documentary on Earl's historical feat."
 
AtLarge said:
CJ -- Have you forgotten? When your video of 29 in a row in one pocket was posted seven months ago, your claim that the pockets were a halr over 4" was thoroughly debunked. When one number is used to describe a pocket's size, conventionally it is the mouth dimension (nose to nose). Many other factors also affect a pocket's degree of difficulty, but the mouth on those corner pockets is about 4 ½". Here's a paragraph from one of my posts at that time:

"But here's why I chimed in. This, apparently, is the table on which Earl performed his million-dollar magic. That is an historical event. CJ is making a documentary about it that will become part of pool's historical record. CJ has mentioned a number of times how tight the table is. He has used the term "triple-shimmed" a number of times to describe the table. Well, "triple-shimmed" really doesn't mean much in terms of a table's degree of difficulty (how wide was it before shimming? how thick are the shims?). Now, with this video, we have actually gotten a look at this table. And, in the video, CJ says the table has "just a hair over 4" pockets." By conventional standards, that is an incorrect statement, and I think CJ should be aware of that, and not repeat the mistake, when he creates the definitive documentary on Earl's historical feat."
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LMFAO! I can't believe how OFTEN things like this keep coming up.

It is just like the people debunking Mosconi's 526 run on an 8-foot table with BIG pockets!

If it is SO EASY to do, REPLICATE IT and post your video!!!
 
CJ Wiley said:
I just got this email sent to me from the "MAN CLUB" .....I didn't know "The MAN" club even existed anymore, I thought it went out in the 90s.

We regret to inform you that your apology will NOT be accepted and you are ordered to return the other "player's" toys immediately. Upon completing this task you are now required to ask John Barton's permission to make any more posts on this thread.....only upon John's approval will your input be taking seriously. And please quit using the phrase "I got sucked in", it's embarrassing.

Thanks for your cooperation in this sensitive matter. :thumbup:

Sincerely,

The M.A.N. Club

(Men Against Nits)
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What's funny is that he doesn't even know what he should be apologizing for.

It would be the complete lack of respect shown in posts like the one below. As I said earlier even if you don't know who San Jose Dick is he was in fact a damn good player in his day and can debate pool on your level in my opinion. Lou however should shut up and listen and continue to be a student as he claims he is.

lfigueroa said:
lol, SJD, what he has said is so unbelievably lacking in insight it's hard to take much of anything he says seriously. Somewhat obviously "The Game" has not taught him enough.

Lou Figueroa
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HawaiianEye said:
LMFAO! I can't believe how OFTEN things like this keep coming up.

It is just like the people debunking Mosconi's 526 run on an 8-foot table with BIG pockets!

If it is SO EASY to do, REPLICATE IT and post your video!!!
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Yep. I go you one better. I would bet that Lou, who thinks CJ is clueless, can NOT duplicate CJ's feat.

BTW I haven't received any email yet. I am guessing that the corporation is losing faith in their horse. How much pressure is Lou under now? Not only the thought of POSSIBLY losing to me but then to lose other people's money on top of it. And they better never let me know who's on the donor list or I will never let them forget it if I should win.

All I can lose is money, me being the underdog.
 
lfigueroa said:
I have no superior knowledge. What I have is being a student of the game of 1pocket for almost 20 years. I've played the game, watched the Accu-Stats tapes, listen to the expert commentary, and traveled to tournaments and gotten to play players like Efren, Scott, Jose, Cliff, Alex, Larry, Chris, Warren, and on and on. I play and I watch and I learn, that's all.

Lou Figueroa
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Fair enough.
 
the tournament TV PRIME SPORTS VIDEO can be seen at www.cjwiley.com

AtLarge said:
CJ -- Have you forgotten? When your video of 29 in a row in one pocket was posted seven months ago, your claim that the pockets were a halr over 4" was thoroughly debunked. When one number is used to describe a pocket's size, conventionally it is the mouth dimension (nose to nose). Many other factors also affect a pocket's degree of difficulty, but the mouth on those corner pockets is about 4 ½". Here's a paragraph from one of my posts at that time:

"But here's why I chimed in. This, apparently, is the table on which Earl performed his million-dollar magic. That is an historical event. CJ is making a documentary about it that will become part of pool's historical record. CJ has mentioned a number of times how tight the table is. He has used the term "triple-shimmed" a number of times to describe the table. Well, "triple-shimmed" really doesn't mean much in terms of a table's degree of difficulty (how wide was it before shimming? how thick are the shims?). Now, with this video, we have actually gotten a look at this table. And, in the video, CJ says the table has "just a hair over 4" pockets." By conventional standards, that is an incorrect statement, and I think CJ should be aware of that, and not repeat the mistake, when he creates the definitive documentary on Earl's historical feat."
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Don't you guys think you're "splitting hairs" with all this "how to measure a pocket exactly" routine? :boring2: I'll make a point to ask my pool table mechanic to see if anything's changed in the last 17 years that would effect the table's pocket size.

If anyone wants to see the table {at the tournament's semi finals} when Earl ran the 11 racks the tournament TV PRIME SPORTS VIDEO can be seen at www.cjwiley.com .....maybe someone can tell if the pocket is larger now or not.

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CAUTION;....Potential thread ender !

Well I must say this has been one of the most informative threads I have ever seen on a pool forum !..Not to mean it was informative in the sense that I learned anything new about pool, but it certainly gave a lot of new insight into the mindset of people who I had been giving WAY to much credit to, for having a clue, as to what they are talking about !

By that I mean there were the usual interloper's who didn't have the faintest clue, and simply went along with their 'hero's' and assumed that they knew WTF THEY were talking about !...No, the real enlightenment for me, came in the realization how LITTLE those hero's really knew about the nuts and bolts of pool in general !

It was somewhat of a shock, to find that the most vocal, opinionated, and condescending player, EVER to grace this forum, actually knows LESS then the very people he has been talking down to !..This includes our very 'pool savvy' tournament promoter/director/author !...Given the champ's impressive credentials as a player, (which he is quick to point out in almost every post) I find it amazing that he has not absorbed any more about the inner workings of the game, and his peer's..which just may be due to 'self-absorption' !

Then there is the ex-patriot cue case maker from China, who may be just a little perturbed !.. He does seem to understand the pecking order, and 'insider' pool workings much better than the champion player ! But, alas, he appears to be losing his dubious title of, "Most obnoxious, insensitive posts per thread" to the champ, who, at last count, is winning by at least a margin of 2 to 1 !
But bless his little heart, even though he admits he can't play a lick, he is always good for several dozen posts, (regardless of thread topic) designed to entice (aka aggravate) someone into a game, for MANY thousands of dollars !..He may not play like the champ, but, by God he ain't gonna be out hi-rolled !

In closing, let me say, You did great Mr. Hawaiian Eye..You got Mr. Bartrum to confront the Champ !..Wasn't that your main goal ? Some thought it might silence him, but NO, it only made him even more vocal. Oh well, at least we know (maybe) where he stands on One Pocket vs. Nine ball !..Ya gotta give him credit though, he stood up very well, under the most negative press he's ever been exposed to on 'his' forum !..Even very few "banger's" came to his aid !...Maybe they [sic]
"Real Eyes" he was (gasp !) wrong !!!!

John, will you give me this round ? :confused:

SJD

PS..There were several other "eye openers" but I don't want to come off as too biased ! ;)

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SJDinPHX said:
Well I must say this has been one of the most informative threads I have ever seen on a pool forum !.
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Thanks for visiting ....come back when you can stay longer. :D
 
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HawaiianEye said:
LMFAO! I can't believe how OFTEN things like this keep coming up.

It is just like the people debunking Mosconi's 526 run on an 8-foot table with BIG pockets!

If it is SO EASY to do, REPLICATE IT and post your video!!!
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I think after all these years we know they will never post any videos of themselves.

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CJ thanks for all you are doing for pool now and will do in the future. Hope to make it to Texas one day and check out your new place!:thumbup:
 
CJ Wiley said:
Thanks for visiting ....come back when you can stay longer. :D
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I was "sucked into" my last post, due to your unkind evaluation of the best game on a pool table !.. :thumbup:

CJ Wiley said:
I'd say about 50% of all shots playing one pocket (when not running out) are pretty simple to execute and even most intermediate players could accomplish the task.....not so in "2 Shot" 9 Ball.

Many of the great "old time" one pocket players shot as many ball away from their pocket as towards their pocket. Then they'd run 4 or 5 balls and freeze you to the stack.....the hardest part of playing that game is staying awake. ;)
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Also, Mr. Wiley..........................................
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SJDinPHX said:
Well I must say this has been one of the most informative threads I have ever seen on a pool forum !..Not to mean it was informative in the sense that I learned anything new about pool, but it certainly gave a lot of new insight into the mindset of people who I had been giving WAY to much credit to, for having a clue, as to what they are talking about !

By that I mean there were the usual interloper's who didn't have the faintest clue, and simply went along with their 'hero's' and assumed that they knew WTF THEY were talking about !...No, the real enlightenment for me, came in the realization how LITTLE those hero's really knew about the nuts and bolts of pool in general !

It was somewhat of a shock, to find that the most vocal, opinionated, and condescending player, EVER to grace this forum, actually knows LESS then the very people he has been talking down to !..This includes our very 'pool savvy' tournament promoter/director/author !...Given the champ's impressive credentials as a player, (which he is quick to point out in almost every post) I find it amazing that he has not absorbed any more about the inner workings of the game, and his peer's..which just may be due to 'self-absorption' !

Then there is the ex-patriot cue case maker from China, who may be just a little perturbed !.. He does seem to understand the pecking order, and 'insider' pool workings much better than the champion player ! But, alas, he appears to be losing his dubious title of, "Most obnoxious, insensitive posts per thread" to the champ, who, at last count, is winning by at least a margin of 2 to 1 !
But bless his little heart, even though he admits he can't play a lick, he is always good for several dozen posts, (regardless of thread topic) designed to entice (aka aggravate) someone into a game, for MANY thousands of dollars !..He may not play like the champ, but, by God he ain't gonna be out hi-rolled !

In closing, let me say, You did great Mr. Hawaiian Eye..You got Mr. Bartrum to confront the Champ !..Wasn't that your main goal ? Some thought it might silence him, but NO, it only made him even more vocal. Oh well, at least we know (maybe) where he stands on One Pocket vs. Nine ball !..Ya gotta give him credit though, he stood up very well, under the most negative press he's ever been exposed to on 'his' forum !..Even very few "banger's" came to his aid !...Maybe they "Real Eyes" he was (gasp !) wrong !!!!

SJD

PS..There were several other "eye openers" but I don't want to come off as too biased ! ;)
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This is your idea of a truce? :-)

All I see that is personally good is that there is now a small chance to get lou to the table. Pretty sure it won't happen but the crawfish backflipping excuses that will be forthcoming from his side would make Mary Lou Retton give up the Lou in her name from shame.
 
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CJ Wiley said:
Don't you guys think you're "splitting hairs" with all this "how to measure a pocket exactly" routine? :boring2: I'll make a point to ask my pool table mechanic to see if anything's changed in the last 17 years that would effect the table's pocket size.
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Pocket size and measurement has gone over many times here, the quick and easy way for you to tell if the pocket opening is 4-1/2 at the tip of the mouth-cushion nose/tip.. A pool ball is 2-1/4, so two balls equal 4-1/2, take two striped pool balls side by side and align the stripes to make one complete stripe and place the center of the stripe at the opening points/tips of the pocket opening.... Blahhhh digging up a vid, to much typing'

Here it is> simple way to find a 4-1/2 pocket http://youtu.be/lG9CqK95U2E
Another way is to use a protractor and subtract a 1/16th of a inch or so depending on the pocket compound miter angles.


Rob.M
 
JB Cases said:
Yep. I go you one better. I would bet that Lou, who thinks CJ is clueless, can NOT duplicate CJ's feat.

BTW I haven't received any email yet. I am guessing that the corporation is losing faith in their horse. How much pressure is Lou under now? Not only the thought of POSSIBLY losing to me but then to lose other people's money on top of it. And they better never let me know who's on the donor list or I will never let them forget it if I should win.

All I can lose is money, me being the underdog.
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Already told you: I am not going to email you diddly-do-da. It's all going to be out in the open, baby ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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