Everyone has been paid at the US OPEN

[DogsPlayingPool]

256 x 500 = 128000

135,000 - 128,000 = 7,000 Added Money! not $50,000 as advertised!!!

170 x 500 = 85000 135,000 - 85,000= $50,000 added as advertised!!!

pinklady's photo of the prize money breakdown is important!!! payout of $175,000 posted ???


Based on my math money is funny!!

i added it ALL up and get $131,400 prize fund not $135,000 like on poster!!! 85,000 from 170 players $131,400 - 85,000= $46,400 added not 50,000 as advertised

30,000
15,000
10,000
7,000
2 x 5000 =10,000
2x 3500=7000
4 x 2500= 10000
4 x 1900=7600
7 x 1400= 9800
7 x 1000=7000
15 x 700 = 10500
15 x 500=7500

$131,400
kd

Keep editing, Kid, your math is still wrong. Add up the players and your list only totals 60 places but they paid to 64.

7 x $1,400 and 7 x $1,000 should be 8 players each. So your short 2 players and $2,400 here.

15 players at $700 should be 16 players and 15 players at $500 should also 16 players. So your short another 2 players and $1,200.

Add the $3.600 to your total and you come up with the $135,000 that's on the flyer. Pot's right.

 

[dom_poppa]

Keep editing, Kid, your math is still wrong. Add up the players and your list only totals 60 places but they paid to 64.

7 x $1,400 and 7 x $1,000 should be 8 players each. So your short 2 players and $2,400 here.

15 players at $700 should be 16 players and 15 players at $500 should also be16 players. so your short another 2 players and $1,200.

Add the $3.600 to your total and you come up with the $135,000 that's on the flyer.

this.

there is no shortage of money.

 

[MahnaMahna]

There is also no shortage of exclamation points.

 

[pt109]

There is also no shortage of exclamation points.

That's better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was getting worried about you.
:smile-us-down:

 

[JAM]

I think this thread has kind of run its course, unless Johnny Archer elects to come forth with his thoughts on what happened.

Johnny is a classy kind of guy and does *not* like conflict. I believe he truly does want what is best for the players and pool in general. If he doesn't want to hash it out on this public forum, which I think is wise on his part, then that should be the end of it. What gives any of us the right to know what happened if it doesn't affect us? I didn't play in the Open. If I think there's some hanky panky going on, then I can not support the event in future years, if I want.

[Wow! This is the first time I have been able to use "can not" as two words instead of one word "cannot." I have been looking for an example to share with my colleagues.]

One thing I would mention about signatures on checks is this. For tax reasons, in order for a person to claim a tax deduction, their name has to be on that check, showing that it was them that paid it. IOW, Barry's name may need to be on that check as the signatory for tax reasons. I might be wrong about this, but that's how I understand the 75,000-plus pages of the United States Tax Code when it comes to tax writeoffs.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

The tax write-off shouldn't be an issue, Jam. I assume Barry's signature is on the check(s) he wrote that got deposited to the escrow account. Same difference; he can certainly document the money he paid out to the players one way or another.:thumbup:

 

[JAM]

The tax write-off shouldn't be an issue, Jam. I assume Barry's signature is on the check(s) he wrote that got deposited to the escrow account. Same difference; he can certainly document the money he paid out to the players one way or another.:thumbup:

Someone had mentioned that the checks initially were not going to be signed by Barry; IOW, somebody else would issue the checks on Barry's behalf. That is what I was referring to. For tax reasons, if he's going to claim it as a deduction, he needs to be a signatory on the check.

 

[SakuJack]

[Wow! This is the first time I have been able to use "can not" as two words instead of one word "cannot." I have been looking for an example to share with my colleagues.]

lol, why would you want to?

 

[JAM]

lol, why would you want to?

FWIW, it is a rarity that one can use "can not" as two words. I wouldn't begin to expect you to understand, though. If you surf the Main Forum, you might find another one of my posts to reply to for your daily fodder.

 

[SakuJack]

FWIW, it is a rarity that one can use "can not" as two words. I wouldn't begin to expect you to understand, though. If you surf the Main Forum, you might find another one of my posts to reply to for your daily fodder.

Haha! Defensive much? I know it's rare to be able to use "can not" as two words, I also know that "cannot" will suffice anyway and is practically always the cleaner of the two. I was just curious as to why you'd want to use the two words - no need to get so crazy about it.

 

[JAM]

Haha! Defensive much? I know it's rare to be able to use "can not" as two words, I also know that "cannot" will suffice anyway. I was just curious as to why you'd want to use the two words - no need to get so crazy about it.

Here we go again. Slow day at the office? Find another post to dissect and pick apart. This one has been beat to death. With my 26,000-plus posts, I'm sure you can find something better to argue about than this.

And, FWIW, after you edited your post, you're dead wrong. You don't want to enter a debate with me about the English language, Pal. You lose.

 

[SakuJack]

And, FWIW, after you edited your post, you're dead wrong. You don't want to enter a debate with me about the English language, Pal. You lose.

Explain how I'm dead wrong, please? There are certain instances where can not may be preferable, but (certainly in modern usage) cannot will always suffice. And sentences containing the phrase "can not" tend to be clunky as hell anyway.

And I wouldn't count on that.

 

[JAM]

Explain how I'm dead wrong, please?

And I wouldn't count on that.

You would use can not when the not forms part of another construction such as not only.

Although it appears in general most people do not see a notable difference between can not and cannot, there is in fact a difference.

If you can not do something, then you can also do it, but if you cannot do something, then it means the thing is impossible to do.

For example, I can walk or I can not walk to school, but I cannot fly to school (unless I take an airplane).

Next?

 

[SakuJack]

You would use can not when the not forms part of another construction such as not only.

Although it appears in general most people do not see a notable difference between can not and cannot, there is in fact a difference.

If you can not do something, then you can also do it, but if you cannot do something, then it means the thing is impossible to do.

For example, I can walk or I can not walk to school, but I cannot fly to school (unless I take an airplane).

Next?

Fair enough, but like I said, in modern usage they're generally interchangeable, and sentences where "can not" is preferable are generally clunky as hell (see your walk to school example) and should probably be avoided anyway.

Like I said before, I don't know why you're acting so crazy over this. It was an innocent enough question where no malice was intended.

 

[JAM]

Fair enough, but like I said, in modern usage they're generally interchangeable, and sentences where "can not" is preferable are generally clunky as hell (see your walk to school example) and should probably be avoided anyway.

Like I said before, I don't know why you're acting so crazy over this. It was an innocent enough question where no malice was intended.

You're the one acting crazy. If you want to discuss pool, let's go at it, but don't challenge me on grammar or the English language or punctuation. I can give you the breaks and the 2-and-out in this department. Move on to another topic.

 

[SakuJack]

You're the one acting crazy.

Sure I am...

I wouldn't begin to expect you to understand, though. If you surf the Main Forum, you might find another one of my posts to reply to for your daily fodder.

Here we go again. Slow day at the office? Find another post to dissect and pick apart. This one has been beat to death. With my 26,000-plus posts, I'm sure you can find something better to argue about than this.

Anyway, I'm out. Work to do, etc. But just out of interest, what time is it over there?

 

[JAM]

...Anyway, I'm out. Work to do, etc. But just out of interest, what time is it over there?

It is 4:41 a.m., EASTERN TIME. I have a press briefing to get to at 8 a.m.; thus, why I woke up early this morning to get my jobs out before I leave. Woke up at 1:30 a.m. Been working the entire time while engaging in a fruitless colloquy with you.

 

[SakuJack]

It is 4:41 a.m., EASTERN TIME. I have a press briefing to get to at 8 a.m.; thus, why I woke up early this morning to get my jobs out before I leave. Woke up at 1:30 a.m. Been working the entire time while engaging in a fruitless colloquy with you.

Thanks, just curious. Anyway, thanks for the discussion - and calm down! I'm not always criticising what you write.

 

[JB Cases]

I do agree that the tournament should be head at Q-Masters, but I don't think the field should ever be limited. They should encourage as many entries as possible. The more money in, the more money out. Also, Q-Masters has so many tables, they could speed the tournament up quite a bit by holding it there. It may not look as nice, but it's a great way to continue a great tournament with a long history.

I feel like with 50 good pool rooms around the country it should be possible to have 4-5 qualifiers over the course of a year and thus fill up the main event.

In the 9 Ball World Championships they run many qualifiers to fill it up. When Ronnie Alcano won it he won the last qualifier to get in.

Qualifiers are a great way to fill up the main field. With some planning the rooms could afford to raise enough money to fund the trip for the people who win the qualifiers. And I think Barry should offer a $10,000 bonus to the room whose qualifier entrant finishes the highest in the Open. Or $5000 to the room and $5000 to the player.

If they did this then they would have a full field every year with no worries about the money. Barry could offer a free spectator pass or a highly discounted one to all the players around the country who play in the qualifiers.

There are many ways to draw off the larger body of pool players and have many thousands paying into the pot so that the best of the best who earned their spot can play. Barry should have a one month period at the conclusion of the US Open where it's completely OPEN for anyone to pay their entry fee and sign up for the following year. Then after that the only way to get in is to win a qualifier.

There are many incentives that Barry could give to rooms in addition to the highest finisher bonus. - US Open swag., Official US Open partner. Free PPV for the room. Ultra VIP treatment for any room owner and guests who attend. All expenses paid trip for the room owner that runs the most qualifiers. etc... Some sort of bonus to the player who played in the most qualifiers - like a free entry.

Charge a little extra to fund all this. A little extra from each player playing won't mean much to the individual players but it will mean a lot to have the extra resources for the event's success. For example asking for $100 would be $500 for the entry fee and $100 per qualifier for the tournament management/promotion etc.. That adds about 20-25k to the pot to pay for the highest finisher and other things mentioned above. If a qualifier had say 30 people in it then the entry fee could be $20 and that takes care of the $600. It should not matter to Barry how the room comes up with $600 per entry, just that they do.

For sure some rooms will just go ahead and put their best players in under the guise of winning a qualifier with one entrant, some pros will sponsored by rooms who want to have the pro playing under their banner.

Regarding Escrow. Set up an account with a law firm that qualifier money is paid into. Then when the Open rolls around there will be a nice fat account with all the money securely waiting on the players.

And I think that this can work for every big tournament.

I think I would be nuts to try and do a tournament and HOPE that I got enough entries.

 

[JAM]

Thanks, just curious. Anyway, thanks for the discussion - and calm down! I'm not always criticising what you write.

Look at yourself: Now you don't seem so proud. Now you don't talk so loud. How does it feel?