NO Match for Harriman/Schmidt

Sorry to those that misunderstood:

1) John signed a contract with Str8shots

2) The contract John signed had clauses regarding John's behavior

3) John was invited to play in a TAR match

4) John accepted.

It seems to me that for John to accept, he either forgot he signed a contract or he thought he could do both, perform in the TAR match and behave in a way that was in keeping with his contract. John mentions his sponsorship early on, so I doubt it was that John forgot he had a contract. Sorry, but I don't think its too much of a stretch that John accepted the match figuring he was a big boy and could conduct himself in a way that would honor his contract and play in a popular match.

The contract is about his behavior. it doesn't say "you can't play TAR".

So John figures he can conduct himself admirably and his sponsor feels he can't.

If you think its "good for pool" for players to sign on with sponsors who:

a) have no faith in their players

and

b) think having less pool matches promotes the sport.

Then you are wrong.

Thanks

Kevin
 
Btw I think misspelling streight shotskies in your own way is in order for obvious reasons.


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Nick B said:
Jam,
Thx for the clarity. The question still stands how was that negative for Str8 that Jayson participated like a gentleman. If JS acts in a comperable method same thing should apply.

Nick
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It's not playing in a TAR match that's the potential problem. It's the potential for a nuclear melt down that would be completely unprofessional and, if it happened, would hurt John and those associated with him.

I really like John, and have since we first met. Obviously, if you look at our history, we don't always see eye to eye on things. I, for one, am very impressed and proud of John for his open statement to Danny and any others he has had differences with in the past. It certainly appears that John is attempting to move in a positive direction and remove some of the controversy from his life. It drags him down, and he certainly deserves to be happy.

The potential for trouble with John and Danny is almost inescapable. I know them both personally, and both are great players, and great people. They just get under each others skin.

As much as I would like to see this match, it might be best that it doesn't happen. I even thought about taking a few days and going out to Vegas to watch it in person. It would be a great match!


Well, I wish the best for both of them, and also for Str8 Shots. Pool needs more positive lights these days.
 
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JAM said:
And to criticize her website, what, are you kidding me? Take a look at a lot of pool websites and see if there's a frigging mission statement.
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Are there other entities that dictate what matches pool players can participate in? If so, then I expect to see a mission statement for clarification of exactly what that organization intends for those pool players and their potential customers.

I pretty much asked for that clarification of what they do way back in post #5. I've looked at the website, as have many others, and it is a hodgepodge of news and events not necessarily related to Str8 Shots. It also looks as if they may sell dart paraphernalia, but even that isn't clear. There is no indication of what events they sponsor or a schedule.
 
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Look at the risk vs reward here. The reward is HUGE if they play. The risk is they have a blowout and this would be bad for pool HOW???




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i think it's drummed-up quit a bit of PR for John!

he gets paid - doesn't have to play.
all the locals have obviously heard about this by now - and will come watch him actually play.

again, well done!
 
beetle said:
Are there other entities that dictate what matches pool players can participate in? If so, then I expect to see a mission statement for clarification of exactly what that organization intends for those pool players and their potential customers.

I pretty much asked for that clarification of what they do way back in post #4. I've looked at the website, as have many others, and it is a hodgepodge of news and events not necessarily related to Str8 Shots. It also looks as if they may sell dart paraphernalia, but even that isn't clear. There is no indication of what events they sponsor or a schedule.
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I did not seem to encounter the same problems as you in navigating her website.

I don't believe I have ever seen a mission statement on any pool website, FWIW!

In fact, some pool industry members have extremely poor communication practices, sometimes not responding to inquiries for weeks at a stretch.

Everybody is entitled to run their business how they see fit. We're in a fragmented industry here. These aren't Fortune 500 companies or even Fortune 100 companies.

If you click on the Junior tab of their website, there is plenty of information of what they are doing for junior pool players.

Pool needs an organization to cultivate the youth. To lambaste this woman for trying do something good for youth is quite sad to me, but you-all are certainly entitled to rip her apart and let her know what a POS you think she is for not letting John Schmidt play Danny Harriman. That's the way we do it here on AzBilliards. Never give credit to somebody trying to effect a change for the betterment of pool. :(
 
kvinbrwr said:
Sorry to those that misunderstood:

1) John signed a contract with Str8shots

2) The contract John signed had clauses regarding John's behavior

3) John was invited to play in a TAR match

4) John accepted.

It seems to me that for John to accept, he either forgot he signed a contract or he thought he could do both, perform in the TAR match and behave in a way that was in keeping with his contract. John mentions his sponsorship early on, so I doubt it was that John forgot he had a contract. Sorry, but I don't think its too much of a stretch that John accepted the match figuring he was a big boy and could conduct himself in a way that would honor his contract and play in a popular match.

The contract is about his behavior. it doesn't say "you can't play TAR".

So John figures he can conduct himself admirably and his sponsor feels he can't.

If you think its "good for pool" for players to sign on with sponsors who:

a) have no faith in their players

and

b) think having less pool matches promotes the sport.

Then you are wrong.

Thanks

Kevin
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thats better. :thumbup:

you still trying my patience with your taking a post out of context though.:D

it is not only about john and his perceived lack of behavior.
 
Maybe what Kimberley is saying is that pool is a great game played by people that you can't trust to honor their agreements. So what is good for pool is for Str8Shots to put these people under contract and then prevent them from playing, thereby forcing them to behave honoably.

less matches.

less change for the players to "be bad"

good for pool.

Cool
 
JAM said:
....To lambaste this woman for trying do something good for youth is quite sad to me, but you-all are certainly entitled to rip her apart and let her know what a POS you think she is for not letting John Schmidt play Danny Harriman. That's the way we do it here on AzBilliards. Never give credit to somebody trying to effect a change for the betterment of pool. :(
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read my post #307 - perhaps she's outsmarted us all?
 
As if all the jr players will be viewing the ppv and quit pool because John and Danny are having a dramatic match.

This is ludicrous.



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RBC said:
It's not playing in a TAR match that's the potential problem. It's the potential for a nuclear melt down that would be completely unprofessional and, if it happened, would hurt John and those associated with him.

I really like John, and have since we first met. Obviously, if you look at our history, we don't always see eye to eye on things. I, for one, am very impressed and proud of John for his open statement to Danny and any others he has had differences with in the past. It certainly appears that John is attempting to move in a positive direction and remove some of the controversy from his life. It drags him down, and he certainly deserves to be happy.

The potential for trouble with John and Danny is almost inescapable. I know them both personally, and both are great players, and great people. They just get under each others skin.

As much as I would like to see this match, it might be best that it doesn't happen. I even thought about taking a few days and going out to Vegas to watch it in person. It would be a great match!


Well, I wish the best for both of them, and also for Str8 Shots. Pool needs more positive lights these days.
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this post sums it up pretty accurately. :thumbup:
 
I am left with the same opinion. They are going to end up doing the match once everything is negotiated.

John and Danny are clear that they are the ones who they have to negotiate with now also.

And something tells me a stiff penalty also comes along with the cancelation of contract also if John so happens to violate it.
 
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lorider said:
thats better. :thumbup:

you still trying my patience with your taking a post out of context though.:D

it is not only about john and his perceived lack of behavior.
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Yikes, what's going to happen when your patience runs out?
 
I'll check out the website again. Evidently I missed their schedule of events, code of conduct statement, source of income, list of donations, etc.

People are justifiably criticizing her for a decision they don't agree with. You could be accused of lambasting our viewpoint, as well.

FWIW, I think the discussion has been mostly civil, but obviously with a big faction that does not agree with her decision, it has triggered a lot of replies.

JAM said:
I did not seem to encounter the same problems as you in navigating her website.

I don't believe I have ever seen a mission statement on any pool website, FWIW!

In fact, some pool industry members have extremely poor communication practices, sometimes not responding to inquiries for weeks at a stretch.

Everybody is entitled to run their business how they see fit. We're in a fragmented industry here. These aren't Fortune 500 companies or even Fortune 100 companies.

If you click on the Junior tab of their website, there is plenty of information of what they are doing for junior pool players.

Pool needs an organization to cultivate the youth. To lambaste this woman for trying do something good for youth is quite sad to me, but you-all are certainly entitled to rip her apart and let her know what a POS you think she is for not letting John Schmidt play Danny Harriman. That's the way we do it here on AzBilliards. Never give credit to somebody trying to effect a change for the betterment of pool. :(
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Can Johnny come out and play?

No, you know Johnny has contractual obligations.

Can we come in and watch him try to spell that?
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