There Is NO Hope For Pro Pool IMO

Just three years ago on here a few promoters, pro players, and amateur players were complaining there were too many tournaments. What happened to that? When pro players say there are too many tournaments because they can't afford to go to many you no the system of independents will never work. Bonus ball knocked off a few majors so that isn't a problem now. Members that have been on AZB for a few years could make a list of at least 20 things/reasons that U.S pro pool will never go anywhere. Johnnyt
 
CJ Wiley said:
What has been going on for the past 13 years must die for the future game to live.

I believe if they would have done the oppostite of what's been going on it would have been much better. They have tournaments where there's 400 players and just a few fans, and it should be the other way around.

TV is the Key!!! Having tournaments without TV is like a tree falling in the forest, it makes no sound unless someone's around to hear it. Pool's the same way, tournaments without TV do absolutely nothing for the overall growth, and over the years this has been proven.

The overall industry is down over 40% from the "out of public sight, out of the public mind" scenario.......if we keep seeing these patters we will keep seeing exactly the same results.......the old rules, formats and concepts must die for the future to live.
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If some of the ideas on this thread were to be merged into one, pool (and pro pool) will stand a better chance. I agree CJ, we need to forget the past (how many years as it has not worked) but on the same hand we need to forget about TV :shocked2:

Not forget TV all together but at the moment pool is just not ready to be screened. I believe it could be ready in 3-5 years if a solid action plan was put forward (I have ideas)...
NO point in dressing up for the ball if there isn't one :thumbup:
 
RED LITE said:
I have been addicted to pool for more than half my life.

That said, for the general public pool is boring; more boring than golf. :boring2:

So, no fan demographic, no fan base, no monied sponsors.

No pro pool.

RL
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AAHH! We're getting closer...
FANS - short for fanatical.
ALL YOU NEED IS ONE FAN! :thumbup:
 
voiceofreason said:
The shoddy state of professional pool affects me how?
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It doesn't and it doesn't affect me either!
This is a key issue for pool in general.
IF you enjoy throwing a football but then have no interest in a P Manning then football goes... NOWHERE and doesn't have TV networks fights over annual airtime!
 
Will someone please answer this

voiceofreason said:
The shoddy state of professional pool affects me how?
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I have been to the Derby City Classic the last few years as a spectator cause I like watching the guys that play really well play. Its kind of the total pool experience for me, but other than that, how does "Pro Pool" affect the average player.
 
I'm from the UK so things are a bit different here. But really... how am I affected?

My local league contains a number of divisions of teams (currently 3, but it's been both 2 and 4). I can play interleague (representing my league against other localish leagues) or county pool if I want.

The state or not of the game at the top level has no impact whatsoever on local pool. Never has and never will.

It's basically the same as it was 20 years ago and I predict in 20 years it will remain remarkably unchanged...

Occasionally, it gets a bit of TV but that has no impact, in fact, people would rather play than watch it and that has always been the case. The most excitement really is if a top professional pops up in a county match or something...

So, I ask again..

If professional pool was to double, treble, quadruple even it's current TV exposure and prize money... What impact would that really have?
 
The only way pro pool would possibly effect most would be if there was a National Pro Pool League (NPPL) with 4 to 6 league areas, like, NE, SE, NC, SC NW, SW, C, or maybe even 8 leagues. This way we get to root for the players in the league in our area. Well I can dream, can't I? Johnnyt
 
voiceofreason said:
I'm from the UK so things are a bit different here. But really... how am I affected?

My local league contains a number of divisions of teams (currently 3, but it's been both 2 and 4). I can play interleague (representing my league against other localish leagues) or county pool if I want.

The state or not of the game at the top level has no impact whatsoever on local pool. Never has and never will.

It's basically the same as it was 20 years ago and I predict in 20 years it will remain remarkably unchanged...

Occasionally, it gets a bit of TV but that has no impact, in fact, people would rather play than watch it and that has always been the case. The most excitement really is if a top professional pops up in a county match or something...

So, I ask again..

If professional pool was to double, treble, quadruple even it's current TV exposure and prize money... What impact would that really have?
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So basically, if your local pool league (minor league) had a direct link to Pro pool (major league if there was one) you would have more interest? :thumb up:
Or am I missing something?
 
Well the other thing that make sense to me is to compare opportunities for employment to kids graduating high school in 1965, and 2013, imho there were way more job available, plus apprenticeship programs, and last a military that was hungry for young blood. Plus many kids went off to college with the promise of a high paying job upon getting their degree.

Today many of those opportunities that were available are no longer. Many employers now have al their manufacturing done out of the USA, and last we got a big recession.

So using 1965, verses 2013 is a good example of why people may not be flocking to Pool Rooms, that are now closed.
 
Johnnyt said:
The only way pro pool would possibly effect most would be if there was a National Pro Pool League (NPPL) with 4 to 6 league areas, like, NE, SE, NC, SC NW, SW, C, or maybe even 8 leagues. This way we get to root for the players in the league in our area. Well I can dream, can't I? Johnnyt
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This is a good idea. Just spare me the bonus ball. Bar box 8 ball is the game EVERYBODY plays and can relate to. Give people something they can understand AND cheer for. This is not rocket science.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well the other thing that make sense to me is to compare opportunities for employment to kids graduating high school in 1965, and 2013, imho there were way more job available, plus apprenticeship programs, and last a military that was hungry for young blood. Plus many kids went off to college with the promise of a high paying job upon getting their degree.

Today many of those opportunities that were available are no longer. Many employers now have al their manufacturing done out of the USA, and last we got a big recession.

So using 1965, verses 2013 is a good example of why people may not be flocking to Pool Rooms, that are now closed.
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Cowboy, I stated this in another post and got hated on. I forgot that some areas of the USA have never had a strong middle class. I lived in the south for a few years setting up a manufacturing plant, that is now closed, and all there was were a few rich people and a heck of a lot of poor people.
 
Johnnyt said:
The only way pro pool would possibly effect most would be if there was a National Pro Pool League (NPPL) with 4 to 6 league areas, like, NE, SE, NC, SC NW, SW, C, or maybe even 8 leagues. This way we get to root for the players in the league in our area. Well I can dream, can't I? Johnnyt
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I could be mistaken, but I believe that is the very concept that Joe Tucker and Mark Griffin have with their ABC League. At least it's my understanding that they hope it would eventually evolve into something like that.
 
StraightPoolIU said:
I could be mistaken, but I believe that is the very concept that Joe Tucker and Mark Griffin have with their ABC League. At least it's my understanding that they hope it would eventually evolve into something like that.
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I don't remember reading that was the end game of the ABC League. In any case I'm talking 1st and 2nd tier pros here. Johnnyt
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well the other thing that make sense to me is to compare opportunities for employment to kids graduating high school in 1965, and 2013, imho there were way more job available, plus apprenticeship programs, and last a military that was hungry for young blood. Plus many kids went off to college with the promise of a high paying job upon getting their degree.

Today many of those opportunities that were available are no longer. Many employers now have al their manufacturing done out of the USA, and last we got a big recession.

So using 1965, verses 2013 is a good example of why people may not be flocking to Pool Rooms, that are now closed.
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My question Cowboy, were pool rooms empty or thriving in 1965?
The reason I ask is because economic hardship isn't speciffically a reason (certainly a cause) why Pool rooms will shut today. In fact it could be the opposite because people tend to group together when the chips (economy) are down. For example, going to the pool room with friends could be deemed cheaper than going to the bar with friends?
 
Bella Don't Cry said:
My question Cowboy, were pool rooms empty or thriving in 1965?
The reason I ask is because economic hardship isn't speciffically a reason (certainly a cause) why Pool rooms will shut today. In fact it could be the opposite because people tend to group together when the chips (economy) are down. For example, going to the pool room with friends could be deemed cheaper than going to the bar with friends?
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In the 1960's-1970's when I had my room you didn't really have to be much of a businessman to keep all the tables going. If you had a pretty good location, kept the tables up, kept the place clean...including the bathrooms, and treated your customers well they would flock to your room. Today you need specials, promotions, more than just pool, and very good management skills. It isn't just throw 8-14 tables in a place and they will come. Today there are just too many other things to do. My room was 85% under 30 years old. Johnnyt
 
Bella Don't Cry said:
My question Cowboy, were pool rooms empty or thriving in 1965?
The reason I ask is because economic hardship isn't speciffically a reason (certainly a cause) why Pool rooms will shut today. In fact it could be the opposite because people tend to group together when the chips (economy) are down. For example, going to the pool room with friends could be deemed cheaper than going to the bar with friends?
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I did not play much Pool in the late 60's, as I was kept busy by my Uncle who gave me a 24 x 7 Job, Uniforms, Free Healthcare, and Room & Board. Starting pay was 78 BUCKS a month.

But the Pool s I went to a couple of time in those years were busy, and most are no longer in BIZ.
 
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