CJ, you change icon images more often than some people change their underwear. LOL
So when is the CB control and positioning DVD coming out?
So when is the CB control and positioning DVD coming out?
Champion Players have Incredible Cue Ball Control - What is Their Secret?
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.can you imagine an automatic underwear changer, that would be hilarious!!! LoL
That's funny, believe it or not I just like talking about pool stuff. I forgot how much we players liked 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - it's got me excited about pool again.
Things are much more favorable to video matches using these rules now and the commentary potential is the key component that we believe is impossible with "One Foul" or 8 Ball.
Sorry, I have the icon changes on an automatic timer and they change periodically throughout the day.....can you imagine an automatic underwear changer, that would be hilarious!!! LoL
That's funny, believe it or not I just like talking about pool stuff. I forgot how much we players liked 'Two Shot Shoot Out' - it's got me excited about pool again.
Things are much more favorable to video matches using these rules now and the commentary potential is the key component that we believe is impossible with "One Foul" or 8 Ball.
Sorry, I have the icon changes on an automatic timer and they change periodically throughout the day.....can you imagine an automatic underwear changer, that would be hilarious!!! LoL
bdorman, I take this time to slightly disagree with you.
Here is my opinion of cue ball control.
Like a few other sports there is only ONE thing that we can control...our body.
Now that the cue stick is attached to our hand, over time we should have good control over that piece of wood. The cue stick gives us the only 3 things that we control in pool...ANGLE-SPEED-SPIN. That's where the real action is.
The tip/shaft is a long distance second place in controlling the cue ball. We have to take a long look at how we move the cue stick.
Therefore I recommend a certified instructor to examine our stroke before tip/shaft.
randyg
Nothing to be sorry about, just an observation. I didn't realize there was an option to automatically change the image. Kewl option. Automatic underwear changer? Robotic arms ... sensitive parts ... I'll pass!
Randy, I feel certain he was joking and being sarcastic. At least I hope so.
So icons can change via an automated subsystem. Now that sounds like a fun hack. :grin-devilish:
I personally don't like this at all and I specifically focus against it. I greatly prefer to NOT to be wound up and/or under tension at the back of my stroke. It's not a baseball swing where your trying to create dynamic tension in order to swing as hard/fast as possible.
But I'm a golfer first and use the same mentality there too, I prefer to control the shaft and speed 100% by intention.
YMMV
the program is called 'The Sybil' .
Yes the program is called 'The Sybil' .....there's 16 different images
Nothing to be sorry about, just an observation. I didn't realize there was an option to automatically change the image. Kewl option. Automatic underwear changer? Robotic arms ... sensitive parts ... I'll pass!
Yes the program is called 'The Sybil' .....there's 16 different images
I "real eyesed" that there's no way to completely stop pressure, stress, and tension
Yes, I understand, no one likes pressure, tension, or stress. However, through my many years of high stakes gambling and tournament play I "real eyesed" that there's no way to completely stop pressure, stress, and/or tension so I may as well go with "the flow," instead of fighting against it.
We noticed players that try to be very relaxed play very well for fun, but not so well for money or when the pressure was turned up in the finals of tournaments....they will naturally tighten and this throws their game off mentally and physically.
It's suggested to feel a "nervous tension" as Ben Hogan used to describe it....again, not increasing these feelings, but willing to accept them as a natural occurrences and use them effectively to play more effectively with a channeled confidence.
I simply use the natural tension of my arm/wrist/hand performing the backswing and use it as if it was a rubber band coiling to release. This way the release is smooth, effortless and unconscious, like "snow falling off a bamboo leaf.....it simply releases" ....and the stored energy moves forward, from the cue through the the tip, influencing the cue ball.
To read more about how this technique pick up a copy of the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' - the book is about archery, however it applies nicely to pocket billiards. imho
Yes, I understand, no one likes pressure, tension, or stress. However, through my many years of high stakes gambling and tournament play I "real eyesed" that there's no way to completely stop pressure, stress, and/or tension so I may as well go with "the flow," instead of fighting against it.
We noticed players that try to be very relaxed play very well for fun, but not so well for money or when the pressure was turned up in the finals of tournaments....they will naturally tighten and this throws their game off mentally and physically.
It's suggested to feel a "nervous tension" as Ben Hogan used to describe it....again, not increasing these feelings, but willing to accept them as a natural occurrences and use them effectively to play more effectively with a channeled confidence.
I simply use the natural tension of my arm/wrist/hand performing the backswing and use it as if it was a rubber band coiling to release. This way the release is smooth, effortless and unconscious, like "snow falling off a bamboo leaf.....it simply releases" ....and the stored energy moves forward, from the cue through the the tip, influencing the cue ball.
To read more about how this technique pick up a copy of the book 'Zen in the Art of Archery' - the book is about archery, however it applies nicely to pocket billiards. imho
matching the cue/shaft/tip to the players style,
Yes, this was a joking "dig" at some of my critics and also the emphasis on the "latest,greatest" tips and "low deflection" shafts that people argue about on forums.
I think we all know Efren played as well as anyone with an Elk Master Tip and a $12 Shaft ......we used to use the "Wall a Bushka" cues in pool rooms and play top speed in our "road playing" days. It was always humorous to beat a guy with a $2000 custom cue using a "stick off the wall". The cue's playing characteristics do need to match the player.
At the end of the day it's about the "cueist," not necessarily the cue.
What we do think is important is to match the cue/shaft/tip to the players style, this can be a distinct advantage.
Yes, this was a joking "dig" at some of my critics and also the emphasis on the "latest,greatest" tips and "low deflection" shafts that people argue about on forums.
I think we all know Efren played as well as anyone with an Elk Master Tip and a $12 Shaft ......we used to use the "Wall a Bushka" cues in pool rooms and play top speed in our "road playing" days. It was always humorous to beat a guy with a $2000 custom cue using a "stick off the wall". The cue's playing characteristics do need to match the player.
At the end of the day it's about the "cueist," not necessarily the cue.
What we do think is important is to match the cue/shaft/tip to the players style, this can be a distinct advantage.
I think the follow through length does have a direct link to the speed you hit for the majority of shots. As does the length of your backstroke. I'd say for me, the length of my backstroke has a bigger influence. Sure I can exaggerate my backstroke and pull it right back, and yet hit the CB soft but this can let you down, and will when you least want it to.
I think everyone has a 'speed of stroke' that is completely natural and unique to them. This has the biggest part to play IMO for how far you would follow through or draw back. For example; me and CJ have an identical shot and hit the CB in identical places but CJ may follow through an extra 2 inches further than me to get the same resting place for the CB. So saying you have to pull back and follow through 'this much' to get the CB 'here' is not going to work for most players. You have to find out what your natural stroke speed is and learn different lengths of follow through and back strokes.
I think everyone has a 'speed of stroke' that is completely natural and unique to them. This has the biggest part to play IMO for how far you would follow through or draw back. For example; me and CJ have an identical shot and hit the CB in identical places but CJ may follow through an extra 2 inches further than me to get the same resting place for the CB. So saying you have to pull back and follow through 'this much' to get the CB 'here' is not going to work for most players. You have to find out what your natural stroke speed is and learn different lengths of follow through and back strokes.
"Dalton Leong" told me "CJ, you must find our own balance and connection to the game
Yes, one of my original mentors, "Dalton Leong" told me "CJ, you must find our own balance and connection to the game".....this includes timing, footwork and stroking speed/length....as well as cue ball targeting, this path eventually led to the 'Touch of Inside' (TOI) way of shot making.
When I'm teaching someone how to find their own style I always find a way to exaggerate what they need to improve. This is how I went about changing my stance and stroke in 1992 after I got 4th. I incorporated a snooker style and blended it with what was demanded of pool so I had my left foot on the "line of the shot".....this proved to be the best 3 weeks I ever spent on my game because once I had my feet and stroke synchronized it enabled me to target the side of the pocket I wanted to hit at will - by using my left foot as a gauge...... my game had become connected and balanced. 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'
Dalton Leong - One of my original Mentors
Yes, one of my original mentors, "Dalton Leong" told me "CJ, you must find our own balance and connection to the game".....this includes timing, footwork and stroking speed/length....as well as cue ball targeting, this path eventually led to the 'Touch of Inside' (TOI) way of shot making.
When I'm teaching someone how to find their own style I always find a way to exaggerate what they need to improve. This is how I went about changing my stance and stroke in 1992 after I got 4th. I incorporated a snooker style and blended it with what was demanded of pool so I had my left foot on the "line of the shot".....this proved to be the best 3 weeks I ever spent on my game because once I had my feet and stroke synchronized it enabled me to target the side of the pocket I wanted to hit at will - by using my left foot as a gauge...... my game had become connected and balanced. 'The Game is the Inner Teacher'
Dalton Leong - One of my original Mentors
I find the full length golf swing much more complicated than the pool stroke. But, I find putting to have many similarities. Tempo, stroke length, alignment, aiming, routines.
Do you use any other golf analogies in pool ?
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The Games are the Teacher - Golf and Pool Are Similar in Creating "Zones"
The Touch of Inside {TOI} is a golf technique that Hank Haney and I talked about on many occasions. When Hank was working with Tiger we played 56 holes one day and discussed how the TOI could be used in putting.....especially on long putts it's best to hit slightly "inside out" which is basically the TOI.
The same concept is also used in "drawing" the golf ball on full shots and you MUST line up to the right side of the fairway or green to maximize the margin of error.....In pool we align to the inside of the pocket....it's the same principle.
The Touch of Inside {TOI} is a golf technique that Hank Haney and I talked about on many occasions. When Hank was working with Tiger we played 56 holes one day and discussed how the TOI could be used in putting.....especially on long putts it's best to hit slightly "inside out" which is basically the TOI.
The same concept is also used in "drawing" the golf ball on full shots and you MUST line up to the right side of the fairway or green to maximize the margin of error.....In pool we align to the inside of the pocket....it's the same principle.
I agree... the full length golf swing is far more complicated. Not only are you using many more muscle groups, but you also have to get the ball airborne. It's totally different.
I am also a golfer first, and I find myself equating billiards to putting all the time. CJ's original post hit the nail on the head. Many golf instructors will teach you to control your putting distance using the length of your stroke, while keeping the tempo of your stroke the same. A 5 foot putt may require a 7" backswing and a 7" follow through, where a 20 foot putt may require a 2' backswing and a 2' follow through. This works very well as long as the tempo of the stroke is the same. In this example the club head will be moving more than twice the distance in the second stroke as it would in the first stroke, but it will be moving that distance in the same amount of time (same tempo). In turn, the golf club will move faster and the ball will roll farther.
I tend to think about this on the pool table as well. Because there is a bridge that limits the length of your backswing, it will be more difficult to measure/control that length. However, the speed at which the cue ball travels can often be directly related to the length of the follow through. If you keep your stroke tempo the same, a shorter follow through will result in less cue ball speed than a long follow through.
Granted, this applies mostly to rolling the cue ball. Once stun, draw or side English is applied, things will surely change. That said, this technique can help and is worth practicing... especially if you like to play One Pocket, where rolling the cue ball accurately is often the number one objective.
The other piece of golf knowledge that I frequently apply to pool comes about when I have the break, playing 8, 9 or 10-ball... GRIP IT AND RIP IT!
Cheers,
Mike
Where do you play in Corona?
I'm actually working with a guy from California that is a golf instructor who
likes our Touch of Inside Technique....his name is
Dan Shauger - dan@aperfectswing.com
Have you heard of him, he's got some videos out that are very good. I worked
two years with Hank Haney, but couldn't quite get his swing down.....I now use
a combination of what Hank teaches and some of Dan's techniques as well.
Where do you play in Corona? I don't think there's any pool rooms,
maybe in Riverside there's Shooters last I heard.....I used to date a
young lady from there that I met at the Bicycle Club.
I'm actually working with a guy from California that is a golf instructor who
likes our Touch of Inside Technique....his name is
Dan Shauger - dan@aperfectswing.com
Have you heard of him, he's got some videos out that are very good. I worked
two years with Hank Haney, but couldn't quite get his swing down.....I now use
a combination of what Hank teaches and some of Dan's techniques as well.
Where do you play in Corona? I don't think there's any pool rooms,
maybe in Riverside there's Shooters last I heard.....I used to date a
young lady from there that I met at the Bicycle Club.