Bonus ball the truth

Here's some insight for you>>>

You're saying.... "We're not paying you...we have no cash....but take these crap balls as 'payment in full.' "

Whilst...in the meantime, you're acquiring new funding and paying for Michaela to fly in from another continent.

What about telling Lee "We can't pay you now, but we'll pay you in a few weeks plus interest?"

Do you REALLY think you're "whole" with Lee??? BB made zero effort to extend Lee ANY options beyond WE'RE NOT PAYING. Lee needed basic daily living money, so you gave him balls and forced him to sign a paper saying payment in full. That's CREEPISH. Never did BB say, "We feel terrible, we want to pay you -- we just need more time." You guys made Lee to be the azzhole when he freaked out after you air-barreled him.
Actually, what you said BB should have said is pretty much exactly what they DID tell me. "We can't pay you now, and we feel terrible, but we are working on some things to get you and everyone paid." That is almost precisely what Larry told me and others. Lee couldn't wait and, again, asked to sell ball sets.
 
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I understand you're upset about losing money from reservations, so you and KKK are going after the BB spokesperson on this thread. Truthfully, though, the BB spokesperson on this thread today really doesn't have any authority to help anyone, if you think about it. So he's taking the heat from all those who are angry at Bonus Ball. It's kind of a fruitless exercise to go after him at this juncture. :embarrassed2:

I don't appreciate you calling me KKK, Jen. I deserve better from you. :angry: And I'm not going going after Steve. I appreciate Steve's input, and have said so to him. He's got some balls posting here, where significant others won't.
 
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That is correct sir. I sure wish I could help and I don't have the answer to a lot of people's issues with what has happened. Again, just wanted to offer a different side to Lee's post.

There is no other side to Lee's post. He wasn't working for BB ball sets. You guys air-barreled him and didn't give him an option for future payment, an option for smaller weekly partial payments until he was paid in full -- nothing.

BB basically said --- "Not paying ya" -- at which time Lee panicked and asked for anything that could be used to sell and put gas in his car and BB made him sign a paper under duress stating it was payment in full.

If there's a different side to Lee's post, have BB scan his pay stubs (the checks that were actually provided to Lee and were cashed) and post them in this thread. Show us the other side to the story.

Show us how much Lee was paid in U.S. DOLLARS versus BB ball sets. Was he paid for 2 weeks and then the BB sets were the balance?

If it's $1k/week x 6 weeks, are you saying the other side to Lee's story is that BB DIDN'T rape him blind by forcing him to sign a paper saying payment in full when he took a few BB sets for the balance of $4k??????
 
I don't appreciate you calling me KKK, Jen. I deserve better from you. :angry: And I'm not going going after Steve. I appreciate Steve's input, and have said so to him. He's got some balls posting here, where significant others won't.

Oh, man, I got your initials wrong or acronym. I don't know why, but I thought Kool-Kat and then another K word. I meant no harm, truly. :(
 
Actually, what you said BB should have said is pretty much exactly what they DID tell me. "We can't pay you now, and we feel terrible, but we are working on some things to get you and everyone paid." That is almost precisely what Larry told me and others. Lee couldn't wait and, again, asked to sell ball sets.

So Larry (or whoever) took advantage of Lee by allowing him to move forward like that instead of just merely throwing the guy a $50 bill and telling him to relax, put gas in his car, feed himself and come back tomorrow to discuss how we can keep you sustained until we acquire our upcoming funding. Larry COULDN'T WAIT to give him BB sets to clear off the 4-figures owed. It's called leveraging and taking advantage of someone under duress.

Just to add---- Larry should have just GIVEN those balls to Lee as a kick-back for sustainment. The fact that Larry made him sign a paper stating "payment in full" says a lot about his character. In that position, I'd never do that to someone -- employee or contractor. I'd give them something out of my own pocket before robbing them like that.

What would impress me is if Larry would put two milliseconds of thought into Lee's situation and reverse the roles in his mind, if he would feel whole and treated fairly. Everyone gets stressed and blows it -- Lee was freaking because you guys didn't pay him (which he was COUNTING on, clearly) and MAYBE....just MAYBE... Larry isn't really a scumbag and got rattled when Lee got rattled and acted out of instinct and frustration. It would impress me if Larry would be the BIGGER MAN.... put his best foot forward.... and simply pay Lee for the work he performed. At least then he could clear his conscience and do the RIGHT thing and move BB forward down a path of integrity rather than "Lee asked for balls... we gave him balls...case closed."

And while you're at it -- impress the audience here by paying Mike Howertown.... you guys never even gave him balls... you just flat-out didn't pay the invoice forever.
 
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While Steve is taking the heat in this discussion, and likely has no bearing on resolving any of these issues, rest assured that some others from BB are reading this. They know all about all of these issues.

They just choose not to address them.

Your participation is appreciated, Steve. We may not agree, but it is good that you will at least attempt to provide information from the BB camp.
 
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In this case, Lee worked 6 weeks and was paid that in cash or by other means agreed to. So while I wish him the best, I just don't know what more he is expecting.

Paying Lee with Bonus Ball sets is like paying him with Monopoly money. Under duress, Lee agreed to this travesty as getting something was better than receiving nothing at all.

Lee: Would you mind telling us how much money you've made so far on selling the BB sets?
 
Oh, man, I got your initials wrong or acronym. I don't know why, but I thought Kool-Kat and then another K word. I meant no harm, truly. :(

But I thought you were a professional transcriptionist capable of typing 1800 words per second with zero defects.

Apology accepted. Emotions are high right now with so many of us and our friends feeling on the wrong end of things with BB. Shit happens. I'm back in love with you, you crazy minx. :smile:
 
i'm pretty sure that MY KAT, is bigger than yours....
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Pssst. Although most things in the modern world its assumed that bigger is better, KAT's are not one of them.

Just sayin.

Plus, as we say here at AZ, that claim is meaningless without pics.

Kevin
 
But I thought you were a professional transcriptionist capable of typing 1800 words per second with zero defects.

Apology accepted. Emotions are high right now with so many of us and our friends feeling on the wrong end of things with BB. Shit happens. I'm back in love with you, you crazy minx. :smile:

Thanks for accepting my apologies for the faux pas. :)

This thread is too much for me. I usually come on AzBilliards during the day, between banging out pages, when I'm bored. I think I am going to go back to my boring job now. :grin-square:

Meanwhile, I interrupt this thread to insert this. I love these. A lady is selling these pendants on FB: Looking for a great Xmas gift for yourself or a loved one? 14K gold pool pendants! The "I Love Pool" pendant is $50. The plain 9ball racks are $240 each (one in white gold and one in yellow gold). $270 for the 9ball rack in yellow gold with the semiprecious stones in it. I also have a few cheaper charms in silver. Make a pool player happy!

I think I am going to get the white gold one. I have the perfect white gold chain to hold it. What a great idea! :lovies:
 

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JAM - if you were out $1400 air/hotel @ 2, would your dog be in this fight?

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JAM, not to "lambast" you, but -
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- we're personally & financially invested @ BB
- and we're @ ($red$)
- and Steve won't address ANY of my posts/Claim
- and Steve claims to be the "voice of BB"

STEVE'S AGENDA IS TO DEFLECT & DISARM @ LEE SINCE THEY WERE SERVED YESTERDAY

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JAM, not to "lambast" you, but -
:wink:
- we're personally & financially invested @ BB
- and we're @ ($red$)
- and Steve won't address ANY of my posts/Claim
- and Steve claims to be the "voice of BB"

STEVE'S AGENDA IS TO DEFLECT & DISARM @ LEE SINCE THEY WERE SERVED YESTERDAY

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If you're venting on this thread because you're pissed off, then I get it, but I kind of think you're barking up the wrong tree.

The person on this thread only works there in an IC capacity. I'm not sure what he can do for you that would get you your money back.
 
JAM, not to "lambast" you, but -
:wink:
- we're personally & financially invested @ BB
- and we're @ ($red$)
- and Steve won't address ANY of my posts/Claim
- and Steve claims to be the "voice of BB"

STEVE'S AGENDA IS TO DEFLECT & DISARM @ LEE SINCE THEY WERE SERVED YESTERDAY

.

Yup. Where you stand on issues depends on where you sit. Clearly you were wronged and clearly that's why you stand where you do.

The vast failing of AZ as a community is the lack of empathy. Those that were not wronged, for some reason, can only post for themselves. Weird place.

I, for one, do have empathy. I'm sure you are owed and I'm sure you will fight for what's yours and I'm on your side.

Now. Pics?

Thanks

Kevin
 
If you're venting on this thread because you're pissed off, then I get it, but I kind of think you're barking up the wrong tree.

The person on this thread only works there in an IC capacity. I'm not sure what he can do for you that would get you your money back.

She is not venting. She is having an open public discussion regarding what is owed to her with the only person at BB who is actively addressing the issue of BB monies owed. Her point to you (I think) is that had you been the one owed the monies, its highly probable that you would be "venting too", and you know what? She's right.
 
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VLR:

I just want to say I'm not attacking you personally -- I'm attacking the baseless nonsense coming out of BB in regards to Lee's situation.

Although Lee is a friend of mine, I'd take this position (as many others here have as well) even if he was a total stranger.

I'm sure Larry and Lee separated on hateful terms, that seems clear. One's personal emotions often clouds one's ability to do the right thing, which is why Lee was left with an armful of BB ball sets.

You clearly have a channel to Larry -- ask him to do the RIGHT thing: Pay Lee for his work performed in good faith for the BB organization... with real money.

There is no "other side" to Lee's post. There never would have been a "Lee's post" if BB had just paid him as promised. Everything started because of BB's air-barrel -- never forget that. If BB is rich enough to hire a ref from Europe, simply throw Lee the cash owed and walk away clean.
 
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