Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM

[ribdoner]

I believe when we are stuck in our own lives or in a business the best thing to do is the opposite of what we've been doing or thinking. I work with consultants in the restaurant and bar industry, as well as friends that do consulting for major corporations through the use of internet "Think Tanks" (usually 1000 people of various demographics that make a living answering questions on products, services and entertainment).

The ironic thing is the people that are involved in pool and those that would watch as fans are completely different. So I do ask many questions about pool, although it's always to the "Think Tank"......then we run some of the ideas through the forum to make sure no one agrees (of course a few players do agree).......then we know it's "gold". 'The Game is the Teacher'

LOL, what was the "THINK TANKS" opinion of the merits of 2 shot 9B vs TE vs 1P, how bout 2 shot vs 8B or a variant thereof as a marketable TV platform providing equitable sizzle?

 

[CJ Wiley]

.heck, we even thank good ole "SJD" for stirring things up a bit.

LOL, what was the "THINK TANKS" opinion of the merits of 2 shot 9B vs TE vs 1P, how bout 2 shot vs 8B or a variant thereof as a marketable TV platform providing equitable sizzle?

There's a certain emotional attachment people crave from any game or sport they watch, whether it's boxing, football, baseball, hockey, golf, tennis, poker, etc. Pool didn't seem to have that component, and we didn't "real eyes" what the emotion was for a long, long, time.....now it's obvious in the way marked cards are visible when it's pointed out......as a matter of fact that's all you can see when you're made aware.

Our objective was to identify how to illicit this emotional attachment in people while watching pool. It started to look impossible, then a chain of coincidences happened as a result of the 'Two Shot Shoot Out' conversation....and "the magic bullet" was revealed to us......

We have a whole new perspective of pool now and are grateful to the "Think Tank" we use and this "Azbilliards Think Tank" as well.....heck, I even thank gool ole SJD for stirring things up a bit. It's really amazing how things work out if someone refused to give up and keeps experimenting with various mental approaches.

'The Inner Game is the Teacher'

 

[SJDinPHX]

I believe when we are stuck in our own lives or in a business the best thing to do is the opposite of what we've been doing or thinking.

The ironic thing is the people that are involved in pool and those that would watch as fans are completely different.......then we run some of the ideas through the forum to make sure no one agrees.

Uh, Mr. Wiley, this is not an original idea !..Theres a whole Seinfeld episode on it...It did not work out for George Costanza !..
(By the way, YOU remind me a lot of George. :sorry...Watch a few minutes of it..The coffee shop scene (@ 1:21) is hilarious !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lq8U2pqmWU

PS..Hows this for a "mental approach", from 'good ole SJD' ?..

 

[ribdoner]

There's a certain emotional attachment people crave from any game or sport they watch, whether it's boxing, football, baseball, hockey, golf, tennis, poker, etc. Pool didn't seem to have that component, and we didn't "real eyes" what the emotion was for a long, long, time.....now it's obvious in the way marked cards are visible when it's pointed out......as a matter of fact that's all you can see when you're made aware.

Our objective was to identify how to illicit this emotional attachment in people while watching pool. It started to look impossible, then a chain of coincidences happened as a result of the 'Two Shot Shoot Out' conversation....and "the magic bullet" was revealed to us......

We have a whole new perspective of pool now and are grateful to the "Think Tank" we use and this "Azbilliards Think Tank" as well.....heck, I even thank gool ole SJD for stirring things up a bit. It's really amazing how things work out if someone refused to give up and keeps experimenting with various mental approaches.

'The Inner Game is the Teacher'

is this esoteric or cognoscenti speak that the platform doesn't matter?

 

[CJ Wiley]

It works in so many facet of life, especially dealing with the "world"

Uh, Mr. Wiley, this is not an original idea !..Theres a whole Seinfeld episode on it...It did not work out for George Costanza !..
(By the way, YOU remind me a lot of George. :sorry...Watch a few minutes of it..The coffee shop scene (@ 1:21) is hilarious !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lq8U2pqmWU

PS..Hows this for a "mental approach", from 'good ole SJD' ?..

Yes, this Seinfeld episode is the classic example of this phenomenon. It works in so many facet of life, especially dealing with the "world" and all it's dichotomies and paradoxes.

And yes, George and I are exactly alike, except I have less hair.

 

[jay helfert]

My Cliff Notes on this subject: ANY television network wants a "series" of shows, not just a single event. Big money is another prerequisite to garner audience attention, i.e. Golf, Poker etc. When someone can win a million dollars that gets people interested in a hurry! Finally, there is NOTHING inherently wrong with pool (even 9-Ball) on TV! It's actually a great game for television. I use the success of Accu-Stats as an example. What is needed is an accomplished director who understands the intricacies of the game. There is a 'flow' to pool that is rarely captured on TV, YET! Building up the personalities of the players is also a must. Put a mic' on them and let us hear what they are saying. This is one of the things that makes the Mosconi Cup the best pool show on television year after year. Over and out!

 

[BeiberLvr]

My Cliff Notes on this subject: ANY television network wants a "series" of shows, not just a single event. Big money is another prerequisite to garner audience attention, i.e. Golf, Poker etc. When someone can win a million dollars that gets people interested in a hurry! Finally, there is NOTHING inherently wrong with pool (even 9-Ball) on TV! It's actually a great game for television. I use the success of Accu-Stats as an example. What is needed is an accomplished director who understands the intricacies of the game. There is a 'flow' to pool that is rarely captured on TV, YET! Building up the personalities of the players is also a must. Put a mic' on them and let us hear what they are saying. This is one of the things that makes the Mosconi Cup the best pool show on television year after year. Over and out!

Could not agree more about higher payouts. It's the entire key to making pool popular. The game doesn't matter. The rules don't matter. Building player personality doesn't matter. None of that matters if 1st place is only $10,000.

 

[CJ Wiley]

The "magic bullet" is not the prize money amount,

Could not agree more about higher payouts. It's the entire key to making pool popular. The game doesn't matter. The rules don't matter. Building player personality doesn't matter. None of that matters if 1st place is only $10,000.

I used to believe that was true as well, it seems to make logical sense.

However, from our research and involvement with the"Think Tank" the subjects said it didn't matter to them what the prize money was, they still wouldn't watch pool.

I know this seems unusual, but it's the real information. The "magic bullet" is not the prize money amount, it's in the emotional attachment the audience has to the game, and the players.

It does appear like popularity and prize amounts have an effect on each other, although come to find out it's because of other hidden factors.

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

[BeiberLvr]

I used to believe that was true as well, it seems to make logical sense.

However, from our research and involvement with the"Think Tank" the subjects said it didn't matter to them what the prize money was, they still wouldn't watch pool.

I know this seems unusual, but it's the real information. The "magic bullet" is not the prize money amount, it's in the emotional attachment the audience has to the game, and the players.

It does appear like popularity and prize amounts have an effect on each other, although come to find out it's because of other hidden factors.

'The Game is the Teacher'

For pool to gain popularity (not just on TV) more kids need to start playing. Parents might be more apt to buy pool tables and get lessons for their kids if they thought they could grow up and win a major and $1,000,000.

More power to you though if you think you can make it popular without increasing the prize funds.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I may get SJD as a coach and take on the world.

Look CJ, I know you beat Efren playing 9-Ball and that's a fact. You could have easily played him some One Pocket as well but you chose not to. And that's a fact too, isn't it?.

Efren could have easily played me tennis or golf, but he chose not to....that's a fact isn't it? LoL

I think it's clear that I'm not a world class one pocket player, although I enjoy the game, and who knows, I may get SJD as a coach and take on the world (with 9/7). :thumbup:

 

[JB Cases]

It may be good for tournament pool in some way, although I still can't figure out why, TV is obviously the only media that brings in new customers......streaming is definitely not good for high stakes gambling because it's not legal and the ones that have the largest BR's aren't comfortable doing it in front of "the world". How can anyone blame them?

H.L.S and other "agencies" watch streaming video of illegal activities....it makes their jobs so much earlier. They also read this forum, I know this, one of them actually contacted me about a gambling incedent.....gambling over a certain amount has some pretty stiff penalties. That's why I "never" play for over $10 or $20 a game.

Gambling between two participants is generally legal everywhere. Betting on either of those participant is usually not legal.

Anyone is generally allowed to wager on themselves in contests of skill against someone else.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

I used to believe that was true as well, it seems to make logical sense.

However, from our research and involvement with the"Think Tank" the subjects said it didn't matter to them what the prize money was, they still wouldn't watch pool.

I know this seems unusual, but it's the real information. The "magic bullet" is not the prize money amount, it's in the emotional attachment the audience has to the game, and the players.

It does appear like popularity and prize amounts have an effect on each other, although come to find out it's because of other hidden factors.

'The Game is the Teacher'

The game is boring for the casual viewer to watch and the players are robotic. It's just not going to happen.

The BBC relaunched old dancing show 'Come Dancing' with 'Strictly Come Dancing', called 'Dancing with the Stars' in the US, I believe. This sort of pro/celeb cross-over is possible to garner mass appeal to non players. Shouldn't be difficult to come up with a format that ticks all boxes.

 

[one stroke]

I used to believe that was true as well, it seems to make logical sense.

However, from our research and involvement with the"Think Tank" the subjects said it didn't matter to them what the prize money was, they still wouldn't watch pool.

I know this seems unusual, but it's the real information. The "magic bullet" is not the prize money amount, it's in the emotional attachment the audience has to the game, and the players.

It does appear like popularity and prize amounts have an effect on each other, although come to find out it's because of other hidden factors.

'The Game is the Teacher'

99% of team sports fans grow up rooting for a certain team not because of the players playing but because those are the sports they play or watched in the playgrounds and gyms when they were growing up and they pick a team based on where they live first or because of their jersey second there might be a player they know but inane cases its irrelevant ,,,

Yes there are players of certain appeal that my help the game but the game is always bigger than the players ,, people who watch golf like my self watch it for the game not who's playing ,,when Tigers gone the game will still go one

.if you look at MMA and why it's so popular it's certainly not because of the Characters it's because if the sport it's self people
love to see beat down fighting in a cage
Wrestling is the same but the Characters do sell because how it's marketed and they are actors going by a script

What both these have in common is only the ones at the top are making any real money get past a hand full and its lower middle class cash at best unlike any of the major sports and golf where even the guys on the bottom are making good cash

What those sports have is a huge fan base that tools many many yrs to build so to think pool is going to ramp up and all of a sudden be a prime time paying sport is wishful thinking at best and I don't agree with Jay pool is not a great viewing game put 200 people in a room put the major sports on tvs and one with pool and see how many are watching ,, it surly won't be many if any


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[DTL]

The game is boring for the casual viewer to watch and the players are robotic.

This is because of the tighter pockets (Diamonds). The fast & loose play (Keith, Louie, Earl) that's enjoyable and pleasing to the casual viewer is a thing of the past. Earl won all his US Opens and most of his other major titles on 5" Gold Crowns.

 

[Pathetic Shark]

This is because of the tighter pockets (Diamonds). The fast & loose play (Keith, Louie, Earl) that's enjoyable and pleasing to the casual viewer is a thing of the past. Earl won all his US Opens and most of his other major titles on 5" Gold Crowns.

I don't disagree. Tight pockets and precision are for snooker. I think pool has to have a broader element than just running out. I would make it points-based, with additional points being awarded for banks, combos, jumps, skill shots and would introduce 'power plays', where everything counts double for a limited time. This would encourage back and forth between the players.

Each contest should last no more than 40 mins, with each player getting equal table time.

The days of the audience watching players watching tables MUST end. No more dead air space.

 

[one stroke]

I really don't see how it's so hard to understand that opening the pockets opens the up audience ,, the ridicules notion that making the game harder will bring in more viewers is a pipe dream plain and simple and I was paying someone to figure out how to make it more appealing to put the game back on TV and that's what they told me they would be looking for a job

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[CJ Wiley]

There is a better, more entertaining way to show the game and it's players.

99% of team sports fans grow up rooting for a certain team not because of the players playing but because those are the sports they play or watched in the playgrounds and gyms when they were growing up and they pick a team based on where they live first or because of their jersey second there might be a player they know but inane cases its irrelevant ,,,

Yes there are players of certain appeal that my help the game but the game is always bigger than the players ,, people who watch golf like my self watch it for the game not who's playing ,,when Tigers gone the game will still go one

.if you look at MMA and why it's so popular it's certainly not because of the Characters it's because if the sport it's self people
love to see beat down fighting in a cage
Wrestling is the same but the Characters do sell because how it's marketed and they are actors going by a script

What both these have in common is only the ones at the top are making any real money get past a hand full and its lower middle class cash at best unlike any of the major sports and golf where even the guys on the bottom are making good cash

What those sports have is a huge fan base that tools many many yrs to build so to think pool is going to ramp up and all of a sudden be a prime time paying sport is wishful thinking at best and I don't agree with Jay pool is not a great viewing game put 200 people in a room put the major sports on tvs and one with pool and see how many are watching ,, it surly won't be many if any


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Yes, the greatest entertainment components have been removed over the years and everyone has been oblivious to it happening. It's like the frog staying in the water until it's boiling.....and they it's too late. There must be synergistic effect between the Game, the players, and the fans....there must be an element that creates emotional attachment.

It is too late for pool .....the good news is there is an alternative to how it's been broadcast and produced in the past. There is a better, more entertaining way to show the game and it's players......and this means a "Light" at the end of the tunnel. ...and, no, it's not a train!

 

[one stroke]

Yes, the greatest entertainment components have been removed over the years and everyone has been oblivious to it happening. It's like the frog staying in the water until it's boiling.....and they it's too late. There must be synergistic effect between the Game, the players, and the fans....there must be an element that creates emotional attachment.

It is too late for pool .....the good news is there is an alternative to how it's been broadcast and produced in the past. There is a better, more entertaining way to show the game and it's players......and this means a "Light" at the end of the tunnel. ...and, no, it's not a train!

Are you trying to market 1 ,5 or 500 players I'm sure you throw enough shit on the wall you can come up with at least 1 Honey Boo Boo


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[Mikjary]

Tight pockets, live rails and super fast cloth is great for a practice table. There's no reason a pool room or tournament should do this. And while we're *****in', bring back pockets that stick above the table. Pool did fine for hundreds of years without having to lower the tops of the pockets.

Slow down the rails and cloth about 10%, and standardize the pockets to around 4 3/4 to 5 inches. You'll see a lot more new players give the game more than one chance. When it's too hard, they lose interest and go back to their video games. If they can make balls like the pros do, they'll start to pay more attention to pool.

Best,
Mike

 

[CJ Wiley]

the ultimate "acid test" and it's free, or should I say..... priceless.....

Are you trying to market 1 ,5 or 500 players I'm sure you throw enough shit on the wall you can come up with at least 1 Honey Boo Boo


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You, one stroke, is our "acid test".....if you disagree we know it's a great idea. and the ironic thing is we will never need to know who you are. priceless.....