Old Nine Baller
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You are so predictable.
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As usual, you ignore my reply to you and reply instead with meaningless drivel.
You are so predictable.
ONB
Here's the article that Keith wrote about "Two Shot Shoot Out" (Push Out)
Keith McCready played 'Two Shot Shoot Out' as good as anyone and knew how to create two way shots in nearly all offensive situations. He also played One Pocket in much the same manner, and we've gambled at both games....I have nothing but the highest respect for Keith's game and his ability to win under pressure.
Here's the article that Keith wrote about "Two Shot Shoot Out" (Push Out)
Tough Rolls
By Keith McCready, InsidePOOL Columnist
The pool industry has weathered some tough rolls over the years. It has accomplished many successes, in many respects, upon entering the international arena as well as acquiring lucrative sponsors, and these endeavors are made possible by the personal contributions of hard-working folks who have a vision and want to take pool to a higher level. I have always wondered, though, how the two-shot/push-out rule from the early '70s changed to the o*ne-foul/ball-in-hand rule used in today's competitions. My guess at that time, it was because the people from the East Coast couldn't beat the people from the West Coast, so they had to change the rule.
For those who may not know what the two-shot/push-out rule is, it goes like this. At any time during the game, you can push the cue ball to anywhere o*n the table that you think you are able to make the shot and your opponent cannot. Your opponent then decides whether or not he wants to shoot this shot. Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit o*n the object ball without scratching. A legal hit means you must hit the object ball with enough speed to allow the object ball to hit the rail or, if the cue ball hits the rail first and then makes contact with the object ball, the object ball must hit the rail. If no legal hit is executed, then the other player gets ball in hand.
Let me tell you a cute story. There was a high-paying tournament in Memphis, Tennessee, and all of the best "gunfighters" and stake-horses were in attendance. I was about 21 years old, a little green in some ways, but I was virtually unknown in these parts. By the end of the tournament, I already had my target, a local fellow by the name of St. Louis Louie Roberts. Needless to say, he was o*ne of the top players in the world at that time.
After some barking back and forth, the railbirds settled o*n their perches, and it didn't take long for the game to begin. We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning o*ne player had to win seven games ahead of the other. Now, Louie was rated as o*ne of the toughest 9-ball players in the world and I was real young and o*n the road, but I had no fear as I raced to the table to flip the coin.
Louie could cut a ball o*n a dime, but what he didn't know was that I was practicing the cut shots myself. So he could not roll out for these really hard cut shots, and if he did, I would either make the shot or leave him safe, instead of letting him shoot, which left him benched more times than not. At the conclusion of each set, Louie would politely excuse himself from the table for a few minutes and played it off as if he was going to wash his hands, and after a period of time, I started breaking him down o*n the strength of the two-shot/push-out rule. We ended up playing four sets of the 7-ahead game, and I won all four.
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In the days of two-shot/push-out, it was harder to beat a good player like St. Louis Louie Roberts. The best player would be forced to out-shoot their opponent in order to win. There would be more offense with your defense. Now there is a lot more luck involved in the game of pool, which I can't stand. If the rules used back in the '70s were in force, I think my game could maybe shine all over again. The victory could, and would, not be won with lucky rolls, and it would force players use their pool-playing skills and God-given talent. The game would not rely o*n the luck factor as much, and we could transform the tournament trail back to where I think it should be: Two-shot/push-out, and let the best player win.
Visit InsidePOOL for the latest techniques from the world of billiards and pool.
Keith McCready played 'Two Shot Shoot Out' as good as anyone and knew how to create two way shots in nearly all offensive situations. He also played One Pocket in much the same manner, and we've gambled at both games....I have nothing but the highest respect for Keith's game and his ability to win under pressure.
Here's the article that Keith wrote about "Two Shot Shoot Out" (Push Out)
Tough Rolls
By Keith McCready, InsidePOOL Columnist
The pool industry has weathered some tough rolls over the years. It has accomplished many successes, in many respects, upon entering the international arena as well as acquiring lucrative sponsors, and these endeavors are made possible by the personal contributions of hard-working folks who have a vision and want to take pool to a higher level. I have always wondered, though, how the two-shot/push-out rule from the early '70s changed to the o*ne-foul/ball-in-hand rule used in today's competitions. My guess at that time, it was because the people from the East Coast couldn't beat the people from the West Coast, so they had to change the rule.
For those who may not know what the two-shot/push-out rule is, it goes like this. At any time during the game, you can push the cue ball to anywhere o*n the table that you think you are able to make the shot and your opponent cannot. Your opponent then decides whether or not he wants to shoot this shot. Whoever takes the shot must make a legal hit o*n the object ball without scratching. A legal hit means you must hit the object ball with enough speed to allow the object ball to hit the rail or, if the cue ball hits the rail first and then makes contact with the object ball, the object ball must hit the rail. If no legal hit is executed, then the other player gets ball in hand.
Let me tell you a cute story. There was a high-paying tournament in Memphis, Tennessee, and all of the best "gunfighters" and stake-horses were in attendance. I was about 21 years old, a little green in some ways, but I was virtually unknown in these parts. By the end of the tournament, I already had my target, a local fellow by the name of St. Louis Louie Roberts. Needless to say, he was o*ne of the top players in the world at that time.
After some barking back and forth, the railbirds settled o*n their perches, and it didn't take long for the game to begin. We decided to play a 7-ahead set, meaning o*ne player had to win seven games ahead of the other. Now, Louie was rated as o*ne of the toughest 9-ball players in the world and I was real young and o*n the road, but I had no fear as I raced to the table to flip the coin.
Louie could cut a ball o*n a dime, but what he didn't know was that I was practicing the cut shots myself. So he could not roll out for these really hard cut shots, and if he did, I would either make the shot or leave him safe, instead of letting him shoot, which left him benched more times than not. At the conclusion of each set, Louie would politely excuse himself from the table for a few minutes and played it off as if he was going to wash his hands, and after a period of time, I started breaking him down o*n the strength of the two-shot/push-out rule. We ended up playing four sets of the 7-ahead game, and I won all four.
paragraph deleted ........
In the days of two-shot/push-out, it was harder to beat a good player like St. Louis Louie Roberts. The best player would be forced to out-shoot their opponent in order to win. There would be more offense with your defense. Now there is a lot more luck involved in the game of pool, which I can't stand. If the rules used back in the '70s were in force, I think my game could maybe shine all over again. The victory could, and would, not be won with lucky rolls, and it would force players use their pool-playing skills and God-given talent. The game would not rely o*n the luck factor as much, and we could transform the tournament trail back to where I think it should be: Two-shot/push-out, and let the best player win.
Visit InsidePOOL for the latest techniques from the world of billiards and pool.
There's 3 stages to playing pocket billiards at the highest level
That's exactly right, and then it becomes a sparring match of strategic expertise. This is another clue to why 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is more difficult than 'One Pocket' - after all there's only one shot and it's up to the player to maximize what is done with this particular shot - all games are the identical in this simple respect.
There's 3 stages to playing pocket billiards at the highest level - there's the surface stage, that's apparent to everyone that watches - there's the deep stage, that's apparent to only the advanced and experienced players - and then there's the subconscious stage that's not apparent, yet visible to those that have "eyes that can see". The Game is the Teacher
That's exactly right, and then it becomes a sparring match of strategic expertise. This is another clue to why 'Two Shot Shoot Out' is more difficult than 'One Pocket' - after all there's only one shot and it's up to the player to maximize what is done with this particular shot - all games are the identical in this simple respect.
There's 3 stages to playing pocket billiards at the highest level - there's the surface stage, that's apparent to everyone that watches - there's the deep stage, that's apparent to only the advanced and experienced players - and then there's the subconscious stage that's not apparent, yet visible to those that have "eyes that can see". The Game is the Teacher
Didn't you see Gremlins?
Don't feed them after midnight. Didn't you see the movie.
It doesn't matter you are a world champ, know and play the best pool players.
He must think you were raised in a test tube and then were sent out on the pro tour.
Like you never paid your dues and learned the game like we all did. Learned from the players before you. So you can take your years of traveling and all the people you know and all what you have learned and shove it where the chalk don't fit.
Because there are THREE ways to play two foul "stupid".
Don't feed them after midnight. Didn't you see the movie.
It doesn't matter you are a world champ, know and play the best pool players.
He must think you were raised in a test tube and then were sent out on the pro tour.
Like you never paid your dues and learned the game like we all did. Learned from the players before you. So you can take your years of traveling and all the people you know and all what you have learned and shove it where the chalk don't fit.
Because there are THREE ways to play two foul "stupid".
If someone would be so kind and post the rules from beginning to end I would be happy, so many different things on several threads that my head is spinning
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Please separate the push out, BIH etc I guess these have it´s own mystical rules 1 way, 2 way, or was it 3 different ways…..
Just the basic, scratch, spotting of balls, were you have ball in hand, is it a mandatory push out after the break…..
well I guess I just got into the push out, BIH but … well I hope some kind soul has a way to explain this in a hopefully simple way.
I do feel however I would love this game, shotmaking, different skills - produces more of "I want to learn to bank, cut etc better". I see so many new/young guys that settles for just pocket "easy" shots and play safe even if they have a "dead bank" or similar shot available.
Thanks
Chrippa
.Please separate the push out, BIH etc I guess these have it´s own mystical rules 1 way, 2 way, or was it 3 different ways…..
Just the basic, scratch, spotting of balls, were you have ball in hand, is it a mandatory push out after the break…..
well I guess I just got into the push out, BIH but … well I hope some kind soul has a way to explain this in a hopefully simple way.
I do feel however I would love this game, shotmaking, different skills - produces more of "I want to learn to bank, cut etc better". I see so many new/young guys that settles for just pocket "easy" shots and play safe even if they have a "dead bank" or similar shot available.
Thanks
Chrippa
Well, if that's your only requirements for credibility, then you should be wearing weights, yellow large glasses, have a 68" cue, and throw tantrums when you get upset. Earls credentials outweigh C.J.'s ten to one. Maybe you are following the wrong pro??
News flash for you, just because someone plays, or played good at one time, does not mean they know everything there is to know and are the final authority on anything.
If someone would be so kind and post the rules from beginning to end I would be happy, so many different things on several threads that my head is spinning
Thanks
Chrippa
You can push out any time there has been no foul on the previous shot. If your opponent fouls you can make him shoot again or take the shot yourself. That's on any foul, provided there was no foul before the foul
Playing any two fouls the incoming player gets ball in hand after the second foul. We played all balls stay down except the money balls on a foul. On a scratch not on a money ball the ball stays down and incoming player gets ball in hand behind the head string. If all the on balls are in the kitchen, the lowest number ball nearest the head string gets spotted and the player shoots a spot shot.I've probably left something out, it's been a while
Now, strategy, that's a whole other thread!!
News flash for you, just because someone plays, or played good at one time, does not mean they know everything there is to know and are the final authority on anything.
Buzz Aldrin walked on the moon. I bet he knows more about space than Stephen Hawking
Well, if that's your only requirements for credibility, then you should be wearing weights, yellow large glasses, have a 68" cue, and throw tantrums when you get upset. Earls credentials outweigh C.J.'s ten to one. Maybe you are following the wrong pro??
News flash for you, just because someone plays, or played good at one time, does not mean they know everything there is to know and are the final authority on anything.
News flash? Come on man.
"People that play good don't know everything." Wow, you have a keen sense of the obvious. It also means that they don't know less because they stop playing. Like he's on here just to make up random shit.
Yeah, you're right, he never makes up stuff. That's why the leading scientist follow this forum. Through his writings they have discovered that the physical laws of the universe are all wrong, and they are waiting for his enlightenment on how they actually do work. All the marketing genius's are quoting every post of his also. There is currently a push on to remove all books and videos on how to play pool because they have had it wrong all this time. Now, thanks to C.J., we now have all the proper information at hand.
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Excuse me! I didn't mean to do that in public, came over me suddenly and couldn't help myself.
Yeah, you're right, he never makes up stuff. That's why the leading scientist follow this forum. Through his writings they have discovered that the physical laws of the universe are all wrong, and they are waiting for his enlightenment on how they actually do work. All the marketing genius's are quoting every post of his also. There is currently a push on to remove all books and videos on how to play pool because they have had it wrong all this time. Now, thanks to C.J., we now have all the proper information at hand.
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Could you write that again, I couldn't read it with all the bullshit and throwup in the way.
Maybe your eyes finally burned out reading all the glowing reports from your leader??
I don't know him. He's not my leader. I don't use TOI.
All I know is the guy was the dominant player of his time, and if ANY pro of his caliber has anything to say about pool and how it was or should be played I am going to listen.
Because more likely than not they know what they are talking about, unlike you.
I await your corny response, kinda. Thank you.
Just re-read post #127. And, you are showing your hole card on just how little you don know about pool if you really believe what you just wrote above.
OK, what did Earl say about two shot that I need to know?
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.it's like watching 7 two foot putts in golf.....one is plenty.
Yes, this game is entirely different than "one foul ball-in-hand" because you can NEVER win on a safety. Therefore the safeties you do play need to be quite different in intent and outcome. It's actually a good tactical "move" to leave the object ball close to the pocket and hook you opponent....this may be risky, but it pays off because it limits where they can "roll out". It's also a good "move" to leave the object ball in the middle of the table if possible.
Virtually every game you will be required to make a challenging shot to win against a seasoned player. This is not true at all in "one foul" rules, as a matter of fact the conservative players often gets rewarded for NOT taking chances and going for difficult shots.
This makes the game boring to the "sweaters" (fans) on the side or viewing on TV......there's no emotional attachment (reward ie: it's a waste of time) watching a guy running 7 easy shots to win.....it's like watching 7 two foot putts in golf.....one is plenty. 'The Game is the Teacher'
If someone would be so kind and post the rules from beginning to end I would be happy, so many different things on several threads that my head is spinning
Please separate the push out, BIH etc I guess these have it´s own mystical rules 1 way, 2 way, or was it 3 different ways…..
Just the basic, scratch, spotting of balls, were you have ball in hand, is it a mandatory push out after the break…..
well I guess I just got into the push out, BIH but … well I hope some kind soul has a way to explain this in a hopefully simple way.
I do feel however I would love this game, shotmaking, different skills - produces more of "I want to learn to bank, cut etc better". I see so many new/young guys that settles for just pocket "easy" shots and play safe even if they have a "dead bank" or similar shot available.
Thanks
Chrippa
Yes, this game is entirely different than "one foul ball-in-hand" because you can NEVER win on a safety. Therefore the safeties you do play need to be quite different in intent and outcome. It's actually a good tactical "move" to leave the object ball close to the pocket and hook you opponent....this may be risky, but it pays off because it limits where they can "roll out". It's also a good "move" to leave the object ball in the middle of the table if possible.
Virtually every game you will be required to make a challenging shot to win against a seasoned player. This is not true at all in "one foul" rules, as a matter of fact the conservative players often gets rewarded for NOT taking chances and going for difficult shots.
This makes the game boring to the "sweaters" (fans) on the side or viewing on TV......there's no emotional attachment (reward ie: it's a waste of time) watching a guy running 7 easy shots to win.....it's like watching 7 two foot putts in golf.....one is plenty.
'The Game is the Teacher'
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